[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steve Jorgensen writes: > Paul Moore wrote: > > The built in exceptions are ones that are raised by the core interpreter. > OK, but by that logic, why do we have standard exceptions like > `ValueError` when we could define custom exceptions for the cases > where that should be raised? I

[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Matthias Görgens
> > It depends on context whether it makes sense to define a custom exception, > and I agree that I frequently should define a custom exception. In that > case though, it would still be nice to have an appropriate generic > exception for that to inherit from, just as I would inherit from >

[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Sep 02, 2022 at 06:49:37AM +0800, Matthias Görgens wrote: > > > > If the target of the call isn't in an appropriate state, isn't that a > > bug in the constructor that it allows you to construct objects that are > > in an invalid state? > > > > You should fix the object so that it is never

[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Sep 02, 2022 at 12:53:47AM -, Steve Jorgensen wrote: > I didn't say that I was talking about a file. In fact, today, I'm > talking about an object that manages a subprocess. If a caller tries > to call a method of the manager to interact with the subprocess when > the subprocess

[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 03:11:29PM -0700, Bruce Leban wrote: > * a stream-like object that has been closed and you attempt to read from or > write data to it. That would be a ValueError: >>> f.write('a') Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ValueError: I/O operation on

[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, 2 Sept 2022 at 23:08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Bottom line: let's focus the argument on (1) where in the Python > exception hierarchy the new builtin exception would go, and (2) per > Paul Moore, if it could be used in the interpreter (I will add, or in > a variety of stdlib modules),

[Python-ideas] Re: Add InvalidStateError to the standard exception hierarchy

2022-09-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steven D'Aprano writes: > A closed file is not *invalid*, it is just closed. I think it's not very useful to focus on the individual words used here. I believe that Steve J's idea here is related to the fact that an object is a namespace and an environment. So the operation is not "read from