Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:26:12 -0400 David Mertz wrote: > I agree here. I briefly urged against using the less used TOML format, but > I have no real skin in the game around packaging. I like YAML, but that's > also not in the standard library, even if more widely used. Agreed with David. Also,

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-09 Thread Chris Barker - NOAA Federal via Python-ideas
If I had the energy to argue it I would also argue against using TOML > in those PEPs. I partook in that discussion, and I still have no idea why TOML was chosen, over, say, a defined subset of YAML, or a slightly extended JSON. But the folks that were highly invested and putting the work in

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 4:53 AM Erik Bray wrote: > If I had the energy to argue it I would also argue against using TOML > in those PEPs. I personally don't especially care for TOML and what's > "obvious" to Tom is not at all obvious to me. I'd rather just stick > with YAML or perhaps something

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Pradyun Gedam
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:49 PM Jimmy Girardet wrote: > > Hi, Hi Jimmy and welcome! :) > > I don't know if this was already debated but I don't know how to search > in the whole archive of the list. > > > For now the adoption of pyproject.toml file is more difficult because > toml is not in

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread David Mertz
I agree here. I briefly urged against using the less used TOML format, but I have no real skin in the game around packaging. I like YAML, but that's also not in the standard library, even if more widely used. But given that packaging is committed to TOML, I think that's a strong case for

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Anders Hovmöller
>> He's referring to PEPs 518 and 517 [1], which indeed standardize on >> TOML as a file format for Python package build metadata. >> >> I think moving anything into the stdlib would be premature though – >> TOML libraries are under active development, and the general trend in >> the packaging

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Erik Bray
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:23 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:10:40AM +0200, Jimmy Girardet wrote: > >> Each tool which wants to use pyproject.toml has to add a toml lib as a > >> conditional or hard

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:10:40AM +0200, Jimmy Girardet wrote: >> Each tool which wants to use pyproject.toml has to add a toml lib as a >> conditional or hard dependency. >> >> Since toml is now the standard configuration file format,

Re: [Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Hi Jimmy, and welcome, On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:10:40AM +0200, Jimmy Girardet wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know if this was already debated  but I don't know how to search > in the whole archive of the list. > > > For  now the  adoption of pyproject.toml file is more difficult because > toml is

[Python-ideas] support toml for pyproject support

2018-10-08 Thread Jimmy Girardet
Hi, I don't know if this was already debated  but I don't know how to search in the whole archive of the list. For  now the  adoption of pyproject.toml file is more difficult because toml is not in the standard library. Each tool which wants to use pyproject.toml has to add a toml lib  as a