Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:22:00 -0400, Chris Jones wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:07:17PM EDT, Neil Hodgson wrote: >> Benjamin Peterson: > >> > Like Sanskrit or Snowman language? > >> Sanskrit is mostly written in Devanagari these days which is also >> useful for selling things to people who s

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> To reiterate, I am not advocating for any change. I > simply want to understand if there is a good reason > for limiting the use of unchr/ord on narrow builds to > a subset of the unicode characters that Python otherwise > supports. So far, it seems not and that unichr/ord > is a poster child f

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Neil Hodgson
Chris Jones: > Is the implication that the principal usefulness of such languages as > Hindi and "other Indian languages" is us selling "things" to them..? Unicode was developed by a group of US corporations: Xerox, Apple, Sun, Microsoft, ... The main motivation was to avoid dealing with mult

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:14:55 -0700, John Nagle wrote: > It may be a bit much that Unicode supports Cretan Linear B. Thousands of historians who need to discuss Linear B would disagree. Well, hundreds. There are tens of thousands of characters available. If there's room for chess pieces, dingb

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:07:17 +, Neil Hodgson wrote: >Not sure if you are referring to the ☃ snowman character or Arctic > region languages like Canadian Aboriginal syllabic writing like ᐲᐦᒑᔨᕽ > which were added to Unicode 8 years after the initial version. I'd guess > that was added from p

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Terry Reedy
exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: For my part, I will agree with John. I feel like Python's big shortcomings stem from the areas he mentioned. They're related to each other as well - the lack of a standard hampers the development of a less naive interpreter (either one based on CPython or ano

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread steve
On 08/30/2009 04:16 AM, r wrote: I was reading the thread here... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/db90a9629b92aab0/b0385050b4c6c84e?hl=en&lnk=raot#b0385050b4c6c84e ... ... It's called evolution people! Ever heard of science? So ditch the useless Unicode and sa

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Terry Reedy
r wrote: natural languages and Unicode. Which IMO * Unicode* is simply a monkey patch for this soup of multiple languages we have to deal with in programming and communication. A somewhat fair charactierization. [snip] everyone happy? A sort of Utopian free-language-love-fest-kinda- thing?

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread John Nagle
r wrote: I was reading the thread here... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/db90a9629b92aab0/b0385050b4c6c84e?hl=en&lnk=raot#b0385050b4c6c84e and it raised some fundamental philophosical questions Rant ignored. Actually, Python 3.x seems finally to ha

Re: Why does this group have so much spam?

2009-08-29 Thread Bruce C. Baker
"casebash" wrote in message news:7294bf8b-9819-4b6d-92b2-afc1c8042...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com... > So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering. Assuming this is a serious question: 1. comp.lang.python has relatively little spam, compared to others. 2. The spam posters

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
"Martin v. Löwis" writes on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:12:34 +0200: > > The PEP says: > > * unichr(i) for 0 <= i < 2**16 (0x1) always returns a > >length-one string. > > > > * unichr(i) for 2**16 <= i <= TOPCHAR will return a > >length-one string on wide Python builds. On

Re: Python Noob - gui module, book, annoying questions

2009-08-29 Thread Che M
On Aug 29, 3:20 am, Pherdnut wrote: > I want to write cross-platform stuff. Any opinions on the best GUI > module for that? > > I like a good juicy, but concise book for reading on my commute > downtown. I was thinking of checking Python in a Nutshell. Good? Bad? > Better? > > Is 3.0+ more object

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Torrie
qwe rty wrote: > On Aug 29, 5:11 am, Nobody wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:26:06 -0700, qwe rty wrote: >>> if you don't know the answer please don't reply >> If you don't understand the question, don't post it in the first place. > > don't be so angry ,not good for your health You forgot your

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Che M
On Aug 28, 6:37 pm, qwe rty wrote: > i know that an interpreted language like python can't be used to make > an operating system or system drivers. > > what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the > language? Now that you have some good answers, may I ask what what your re

Re: IDE for python similar to visual basic

2009-08-29 Thread Che M
On Aug 28, 6:19 pm, qwe rty wrote: > i have been searching for am IDE for python that is similar to Visual > Basic but had no luck.shall you help me please? Boa Constructor. IDE/visual GUI-builder/sizer support, lots of other goodies. Not actively maintained, though, and some issues on Linux, i

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:07:17PM EDT, Neil Hodgson wrote: > Benjamin Peterson: > > Like Sanskrit or Snowman language? > Sanskrit is mostly written in Devanagari these days which is also > useful for selling things to people who speak Hindi and other Indian > languages. Is the implication that

Re: why python got less developers ?

2009-08-29 Thread kennyken747
On Aug 29, 6:16 am, paul wrote: > Deep_Feelings schrieb:> python got relatively fewer numbers of developers > than other high > > level languages like .NET , java .. etc  why ? > > Besides the marketing argument, python never had a "hype". > > Both PHP and ruby(Rails to be precise) got widespread

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Anny Mous
r wrote: > Of the many > things that divide us such as race, color, religion, geography, blah, > the most perplexing and devastating seems to be why have we not > accepted a single global language for all to speak. I agree 1000% and obviously we should make Klingon that global language. Or possib

Re: Permanently adding to the Python path in Ubuntu

2009-08-29 Thread Sean DiZazzo
On Aug 29, 5:39 pm, Chris Colbert wrote: > I'm having an issue with sys.path on Ubuntu. I want some of my home > built packages to overshadow the system packages. Namely, I have built > numpy 1.3.0 from source with atlas support, and I need it to > overshadow the system numpy 1.2.1 which I had to

Re: Sqlite format string

2009-08-29 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 29Aug2009 17:27, Sergio Charpinel Jr. wrote: | Hi, | I have this statement cursor.execute("SELECT * from session_attribute WHERE | sid=%s", ( user )) | and I'm receiving this error : | | TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting | | What is wrong ? This: ( user ) is

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Neil Hodgson
Benjamin Peterson: > Like Sanskrit or Snowman language? Sanskrit is mostly written in Devanagari these days which is also useful for selling things to people who speak Hindi and other Indian languages. Not sure if you are referring to the ☃ snowman character or Arctic region languages like

Re: (Simple?) Unicode Question

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:09:12 +0100, Nobody wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:26:54 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Python only needs to know when you convert the text to or from bytes. I >> can do this: >> > s = "hello" > t = "world" > print(' '.join([s, t])) >> hello world >> >> a

Re: copy construtor question

2009-08-29 Thread Jan Kaliszewski
28-08-2009 o 20:38:30 xiaosong xia wrote: I am trying to define a class with copy constructor as following:   class test: def __init__(self, s=None):   self=s   x=[1,2]   y=test(x)   print y.__dict__   it gives {}   The above code doesn't work. And cannot, as Chris has already wr

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread AggieDan04
On Aug 28, 7:05 pm, Tim Chase wrote: > qwe rty wrote: > > i know that an interpreted language like python can't be used to make > > an operating system or system drivers. > > As long as you are willing to write the OS hooks in C, you can > write the userspace device drivers in Python: Writing you

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Neil Hodgson gmail.com> writes: \\ > > Unicode was > developed by corporations from the US left coast in order to sell their > products in foreign markets at minimal cost. Like Sanskrit or Snowman language? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why does this group have so much spam?

2009-08-29 Thread r
On Aug 29, 7:18 pm, casebash wrote: > So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering. A more interesting question is what morons are responding to this spam and enticing the spammers to proliferate their garbage? Do people actually see a spam like "Phallus enlargement pills" and

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread r
On Aug 29, 7:20 pm, John Machin wrote: > On Aug 30, 8:46 am, r wrote: > The Chinese language is more widely spoken than English, is quite > capable of expression in ASCII ("r tongzhi shi sha gua") and doesn't > have those pesky it's/its problems. Oh yes of course it is the most widely spoken amo

Permanently adding to the Python path in Ubuntu

2009-08-29 Thread Chris Colbert
I'm having an issue with sys.path on Ubuntu. I want some of my home built packages to overshadow the system packages. Namely, I have built numpy 1.3.0 from source with atlas support, and I need it to overshadow the system numpy 1.2.1 which I had to drag along as a dependency for other stuff. I have

Re: Determining the metaclass

2009-08-29 Thread Carl Banks
On Aug 29, 5:12 pm, casebash wrote: > Hi all, > > I cannot determine if a class is an instance of a particular > metaclass. Here is my best attempt > > >>> class tmp(type): > > ...     pass > ...>>> def c(metaclass=tmp): > > ...     pass > ...>>> isinstance(c, tmp) > False > >>> isinstance(c.__cla

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Neil Hodgson
r: > Unicode (*puke*) seems nothing more than a brain fart of morons. And > sadly it was created by CS majors who i assumed used logic and > deductive reasoning but i must be wrong. Why should the larger world > keep supporting such antiquated languages and character sets through > Unicode? What p

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread John Machin
On Aug 30, 8:46 am, r wrote: > > Take for instance the Chinese language with it's thousands of > characters and BS, it's more of an art than a language.  Why do we > need such complicated languages in this day and time. Many languages > have been perfected, (although not perfect) far beyond that o

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread rurpy
On 08/29/2009 01:43 PM, Vlastimil Brom wrote: > > 2009/8/29: >> >> On 08/28/2009 02:12 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> >> >> >> So far, it seems not and that unichr/ord >> >> is a poster child for "purity beats practicality". >> >> -- >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >

Determining the metaclass

2009-08-29 Thread casebash
Hi all, I cannot determine if a class is an instance of a particular metaclass. Here is my best attempt >>> class tmp(type): ... pass ... >>> def c(metaclass=tmp): ... pass ... >>> isinstance(c, tmp) False >>> isinstance(c.__class__, tmp) False Can anyone explain why this fails? Thanks

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread rurpy
On 08/29/2009 12:06 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [...] >> The reasons for the current behavior so far: >> >> 1. >>> What you propose would break the property "unichr(i) always returns a >>> string of length one, if it returns anything at all". >> >> Yes. And i don't see the problem with that.

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:12:26PM EDT, Stephen Hansen wrote: > > > > Unicode (*puke*) seems nothing more than a brain fart of morons. And > > sadly it was created by CS majors who i assumed used logic and > > deductive reasoning but i must be wrong. Why should the larger world > > keep supporting

Re: how to edit .wsgi file extebtions with IDLE on windows

2009-08-29 Thread gert
On Aug 29, 11:16 pm, "Gabriel Genellina" wrote: > En Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:14:14 -0300, gert escribió: > > > On Aug 29, 9:31 pm, Chris Rebert wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 AM, gert wrote: > >> > On Aug 29, 6:43 am, "Gabriel Genellina" > >> > wrote: > >> >> En Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:31:31

Re: Object's nesting scope

2009-08-29 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:34:48 -0300, zaur escribió: On 29 авг, 08:37, "Gabriel Genellina" wrote: En Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:25:55 -0300, zaur escribió: > On 28 авг, 16:07, Bruno Desthuilliers 42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid> wrote: >> zaur a écrit : >> > Ok. Here is a use case: object initi

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread Stephen Hansen
> > Unicode (*puke*) seems nothing more than a brain fart of morons. And > sadly it was created by CS majors who i assumed used logic and > deductive reasoning but i must be wrong. Why should the larger world > keep supporting such antiquated languages and character sets through > Unicode? What pur

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread exarkun
On 10:23 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article <4a998465$0$1637$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, John Nagle wrote: Personally, I consider Python to be a good language held back by too-close ties to a naive interpreter implementation and the lack of a formal standard for the language. Name

An assessment of the Unicode standard

2009-08-29 Thread r
I was reading the thread here... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/db90a9629b92aab0/b0385050b4c6c84e?hl=en&lnk=raot#b0385050b4c6c84e and it raised some fundamental philophosical questions to me about natural languages and Unicode. Which IMO * Unicode* is simply a

Re:Re: Sqlite format string

2009-08-29 Thread ivanko . rus
29.08.2009 17:26 пользователь Tim Chase написал: ivanko@gmail.com wrote: 29.08.2009 15:40 пользователь "Sergio Charpinel Jr." sergiocharpi...@gmail.com> написал: Thanks. Do you know if both of them works for mysql too? 2009/8/29 ivanko@gmail.com> 29.08.2009 15:2

Re: Sqlite format string

2009-08-29 Thread Tim Chase
ivanko@gmail.com wrote: 29.08.2009 15:40 пользователь "Sergio Charpinel Jr." написал: Thanks. Do you know if both of them works for mysql too? 2009/8/29 ivanko@gmail.com> 29.08.2009 15:27 пользователь "Sergio Charpinel Jr." sergiocharpi...@gmail.com> написал: Actually, this wo

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Aahz
In article <4a998465$0$1637$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, John Nagle wrote: > >Personally, I consider Python to be a good language held back by >too-close ties to a naive interpreter implementation and the lack >of a formal standard for the language. Name one language under active development th

Re:Re: Sqlite format string

2009-08-29 Thread ivanko . rus
29.08.2009 15:40 пользователь "Sergio Charpinel Jr." написал: Thanks. Do you know if both of them works for mysql too? 2009/8/29 ivanko@gmail.com> 29.08.2009 15:27 пользователь "Sergio Charpinel Jr." sergiocharpi...@gmail.com> написал: Actually, this works for any string (it doesn'

Re: weak reference callback

2009-08-29 Thread Paul Pogonyshev
Christian Heimes wrote: > Paul Pogonyshev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is weak reference callback called immediately after the referenced > > object is deleted or at arbitrary point in time after that? I.e. is > > it possible to see a dead reference before the callback is called? > > > > More formally

Re: how to edit .wsgi file extebtions with IDLE on windows

2009-08-29 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:14:14 -0300, gert escribió: On Aug 29, 9:31 pm, Chris Rebert wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 AM, gert wrote: > On Aug 29, 6:43 am, "Gabriel Genellina" > wrote: >> En Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:31:31 -0300, gert escribió: >> > I can't figure out how to enable the .py s

Re: weak reference callback

2009-08-29 Thread Christian Heimes
Paul Pogonyshev wrote: > Hi, > > Is weak reference callback called immediately after the referenced > object is deleted or at arbitrary point in time after that? I.e. is > it possible to see a dead reference before the callback is called? > > More formally, will this ever raise? > > callbac

Re: Sqlite format string

2009-08-29 Thread Tim Chase
I have this statement cursor.execute("SELECT * from session_attribute WHERE sid=%s", ( user )) and I'm receiving this error : TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting Two possibilities occur to me: 1) the 2nd parameter to execute() usually needs to be a tuple (or maybe

weak reference callback

2009-08-29 Thread Paul Pogonyshev
Hi, Is weak reference callback called immediately after the referenced object is deleted or at arbitrary point in time after that? I.e. is it possible to see a dead reference before the callback is called? More formally, will this ever raise? callback_called = False def note_deletion (r

Re:Re: IDE for python similar to visual basic

2009-08-29 Thread ivanko . rus
29.08.2009 1:32 пользователь Vivian Wang написал: On Aug 29, 6:19 am, qwe rty hkh00...@gmail.com> wrote: > i have been searching for am IDE for python that is similar to Visual > Basic but had no luck.shall you help me please? You can try biform: http://www.bilive.com/download/Se

Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread AggieDan04
On Aug 29, 8:08 am, Paul McGuire wrote: > On Aug 29, 7:45 am, zaur wrote: > > > Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Apr 16 2009, 09:17:39) > > [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin > > Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information.>>> a=1 > > >>> x=[a] > > >>> id(a)==id(

Re:Re: Monitoring stdout in (more or less) real time

2009-08-29 Thread ivanko . rus
29.08.2009 2:21 пользователь Gabriel Genellina написал: En Sat, 29 Aug 2009 03:28:26 -0300, ivanko@gmail.com> escribió: Hello to everyone! I am making a program that will be a GTK+ frontend to ffmpeg. Naturally, one of the main functions is parsing ffmpeg's output. It's pretty s

Sqlite format string

2009-08-29 Thread Sergio Charpinel Jr.
Hi, I have this statement cursor.execute("SELECT * from session_attribute WHERE sid=%s", ( user )) and I'm receiving this error : TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting What is wrong ? -- Sergio Roberto Charpinel Jr. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-lis

Re: how to edit .wsgi file extebtions with IDLE on windows

2009-08-29 Thread gert
On Aug 29, 9:31 pm, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 AM, gert wrote: > > On Aug 29, 6:43 am, "Gabriel Genellina" > > wrote: > >> En Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:31:31 -0300, gert escribió: > > >> > I can't figure out how to enable the .py shell and syntax highlighting > >> > for .wsgi f

Re:Python Noob - gui module, book, annoying questions

2009-08-29 Thread ivanko . rus
29.08.2009 2:20 пользователь Pherdnut написал: I want to write cross-platform stuff. Any opinions on the best GUI module for that? There are many options for this. For example GTK+ (pygtk), tkinter, QT. GTK+ is a little bit complicated, but you can use glade to make the GUIs. Tkinter is b

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread John Nagle
qwe rty wrote: i know that an interpreted language like python can't be used to make an operating system or system drivers. what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the language? Speed, basically. CPython is on the slow side. This is not inherent in the language; i

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread Vlastimil Brom
2009/8/29 : > On 08/28/2009 02:12 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > So far, it seems not and that unichr/ord > is a poster child for "purity beats practicality". > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > As Mark Tolonen pointed out earlier in this thread, in Python 3 the practic

Re: Select column from a list

2009-08-29 Thread Aahz
In article , Anthra Norell wrote: >Vlastimil Brom wrote: >> 2009/8/28 hoffik : >>> >>> I'm quite new in Python and I have one question. I have a 2D matrix of >>> values stored in list (3 columns, many rows). I wonder if I can select one >>> column without having to go through the list with 'for'

Re: how to edit .wsgi file extebtions with IDLE on windows

2009-08-29 Thread Chris Rebert
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 AM, gert wrote: > On Aug 29, 6:43 am, "Gabriel Genellina" > wrote: >> En Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:31:31 -0300, gert escribió: >> >> > I can't figure out how to enable the .py shell and syntax highlighting >> > for .wsgi file extensions using IDLE for windows ? >> >> That's

Re: Query screen resolution?

2009-08-29 Thread Nobody
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:15:57 -0700, Warpcat wrote: >> Your question is based upon the notion that "the screen" is a meaningful >> concept. Once you move away from Windows (and systems which intentionally >> try to be like Windows), that's no longer true. > > Good points. Always something I haven

Re: (Simple?) Unicode Question

2009-08-29 Thread Nobody
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:26:54 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Python only needs to know when you convert the text to or from bytes. I > can do this: > s = "hello" t = "world" print(' '.join([s, t])) > hello world > > and not need to care anything about encodings. > > So long as y

Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:11:43 -0700, zaur wrote: > I thought that int as object will stay the same object after += but with > another integer value. My intuition said me that int object which > represent integer value should behave this way. If it did, then you would have this behaviour: >>> n =

Re: IDE for Python

2009-08-29 Thread Diogo Neves
Is IDLE (the editor that comes with Python) good? I'm just starting now, but it looks ok. 2009/8/29 > 29.08.2009 4:14 пользователь "Thangappan.M" > написал: > > Dear all, > > > > > >Please suggest some good IDE for python.I am working in linux > platform. > > > > -- > > Regards, > >

Re: Combining C and Python programs

2009-08-29 Thread Philip Semanchuk
On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Sortie wrote: I want to write a program that will use ode for the physics simulation, whose python bindings are outdated. So I'm writing the physics engine in C and want to write the drawing code in Python. What will be the best way of making those two programs work

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread John Haggerty
Theoretically a microkernel could be used to do the stuff python directly couldn't do and the rest could be done once an interpreter was loaded in theory. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:37 PM, qwe rty wrote: > i know that an interpreted language like python can't be used to make > an operating system

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:37:34 +0200, Tomasz Rola wrote: > > > My private list of > > things that when implemented in Python would be ugly to the point of > > calling it difficult: > > > > 1. AMB operator - my very favourite. In one sentence, either la

Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread zaur
On 29 авг, 20:25, "Günther Dietrich" wrote: > Paul McGuire wrote: > >What exactly are you trying to do? > > I think, he wants to kind of dereference the list element. So that he > can write > > >>> a += 1 > > instead of > > >>> long_name_of_a_list_which_contains_data[mnemonic_pointer_name] += 1 >

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:38:51 -0700, rurpy wrote: > > Then, the next question is "why is it implemented that way", to which > > the answer is "because the PEP says so". > > Not at all a satisfying answer unless one believes in PEPal > infallibility. :-) Not at all. You don't have to believe tha

Re:IDE for Python

2009-08-29 Thread ivanko . rus
29.08.2009 4:14 пользователь "Thangappan.M" написал: Dear all, Please suggest some good IDE for python.I am working in linux platform. -- Regards, Thangappan.M You can use Eclipse + PyDev or Emacs+PythonMode . Also there are Anjuta and Code:Blocks, but they are designed mainly for C

AutoIt/Autohotkey-like library for Linux

2009-08-29 Thread cryzed
Hey, maybe some of you are familiar with the tools "AutoIt" (http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/) and "Autohotkey" (http://www.autohotkey.com/) for Windows - I was wondering if you knew about Python libraries which provide similiar functionality for Python programs under Linux. That said, those l

Re: Transforming a str to an operator

2009-08-29 Thread MRAB
r wrote: On Aug 28, 8:43 pm, Anny Mous wrote: It isn't irrational to have a healthy caution towards eval. Ignorance is never an excuse for stupidity. No caution is needed if you know how to properly use eval. You can't shoot yourself in the foot without first pulling the trigger. Apart from

Re: Transforming a str to an operator

2009-08-29 Thread r
On Aug 28, 8:43 pm, Anny Mous wrote: > It isn't irrational to have a healthy caution towards eval. Ignorance is never an excuse for stupidity. No caution is needed if you know how to properly use eval. You can't shoot yourself in the foot without first pulling the trigger. > Apart from the secur

Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread Günther Dietrich
Paul McGuire wrote: >What exactly are you trying to do? I think, he wants to kind of dereference the list element. So that he can write >>> a += 1 instead of >>> long_name_of_a_list_which_contains_data[mnemonic_pointer_name] += 1 Regards, Günther -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listin

AutoIt/Autohotkey Python library for Linux

2009-08-29 Thread cryzed
Hey, maybe some of you are familiar with the tools "AutoIt" () and "Autohotkey" () for Windows - I was wondering if you knew about Python libraries which provide similiar functionality for Python programs under Linux. That said, those libraries would have to rely on X11 internally to provide th

Re: Colors on IDLE

2009-08-29 Thread vsoler
On Aug 29, 1:34 pm, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > * vsoler (Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:01:46 -0700 (PDT)) > > > On Aug 29, 1:27 am, r wrote: > > > Have you tried saving the files as MYScriptName.py? notice the py > > > extension, very important ;) > > > That was it!!! > > > I see the colors again. Thank you.

Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread Gary Herron
zaur wrote: Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Apr 16 2009, 09:17:39) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information. a=1 x=[a] id(a)==id(x[0]) True a+=1 a 2 x[0] 1 I thought that += should

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Timothy N. Tsvetkov wrote: > On Aug 29, 4:26 am, qwe rty wrote: > > On Aug 29, 3:14 am, Tim Chase wrote: > > > > > >> what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the > > > >> language? > > [...] > > > I forgot about solving the Spam problem entirely.  An

Re: Combining C and Python programs

2009-08-29 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Sortie schrieb: I want to write a program that will use ode for the physics simulation, whose python bindings are outdated. So I'm writing the physics engine in C and want to write the drawing code in Python. What will be the best way of making those two programs work together? THe physics eng

Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-29 Thread Timothy N. Tsvetkov
On Aug 29, 4:26 am, qwe rty wrote: > On Aug 29, 3:14 am, Tim Chase wrote: > > > > > > > >> what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the > > >> language? > > > > I understand there's a little trouble getting Python to prove > > > that P=NP  You'll also find that it only com

Re: Python for professsional Windows GUI apps?

2009-08-29 Thread erikj
On Aug 27, 2:31 pm, Neuruss wrote: > On 26 ago, 05:29, erikj wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > You could have a look at Camelot, to see if it fits > > your needs :http://www.conceptive.be/projects/camelot/ > > > it was developed with cross platform business apps in > > mind.  when developing Camelot, we

Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?

2009-08-29 Thread rurpy
On 08/28/2009 02:12 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: [I reordered the quotes from your previous post to try and get the responses in a more coherent order. No intent to take anything out of context...] >> Nothing else in the PEP seems remotely relevant. [to providing justification for the behavior

Re: csv module and None values

2009-08-29 Thread JKPeck
On Aug 25, 8:49 am, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: > JKPeck wrote: > > On Aug 24, 10:43 pm, John Yeung wrote: > >> On Aug 24, 5:00 pm, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: > > >> > If I understand you correctly the csv.writer already does > >> > what you want: > > >> > >>> w.writerow([1,No

Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread Günther Dietrich
zaur wrote: >Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Apr 16 2009, 09:17:39) >[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin >Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information. a=1 x=[a] id(a)==id(x[0]) >True a+=1 a >2 x[0] >1 > >I thought that += should only

Re: Blank Line at Program Exit

2009-08-29 Thread Nitebirdz
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 09:07:53PM +0800, Steven Woody wrote: > > Hi, > I am using cywin on XP. > Sorry for the late reply. I've been too busy with some personal matters. It'd seem to me that you're better off taking this issue to the Cygwin mailing lists, since it doesn't seem to be related t

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2009-08-29 Thread Momen
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Re: Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread Paul McGuire
On Aug 29, 7:45 am, zaur wrote: > Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Apr 16 2009, 09:17:39) > [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin > Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information.>>> a=1 > >>> x=[a] > >>> id(a)==id(x[0]) > True > >>> a+=1 > >>> a > 2 > >>> x[0] > > 1 >

Is behavior of += intentional for int?

2009-08-29 Thread zaur
Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Apr 16 2009, 09:17:39) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information. >>> a=1 >>> x=[a] >>> id(a)==id(x[0]) True >>> a+=1 >>> a 2 >>> x[0] 1 I thought that += should only change the value of the int

Re: how to edit .wsgi file extebtions with IDLE on windows

2009-08-29 Thread gert
On Aug 29, 6:43 am, "Gabriel Genellina" wrote: > En Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:31:31 -0300, gert escribió: > > > I can't figure out how to enable the .py shell and syntax highlighting > > for .wsgi file extensions using IDLE for windows ? > > That's a Windows question, not a Python one. You have to asso

Re: Annoying octal notation

2009-08-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-08-28, Neil Hodgson wrote: > Steven D'Aprano: > >> Obviously I can't speak for Ken Thompson's motivation in creating this >> feature, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't to save typing or space on >> punchcards. > >The original implementation of UNIX was on a PDP-7 which was an > 18-bit ma

gettext translate problem

2009-08-29 Thread Marek Wawrzyczek
Hi, I've got the following code in main.py file: import gettext import os t = gettext.translation(__file__.split('.')[0], os.getcwd()) _ = t.lgettext if __name__=='__main__': print _("Hello") then I call: xgettext main.py and after that I call: msgfmt messages.po wchich produces the f

Re: Colors on IDLE

2009-08-29 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* vsoler (Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:01:46 -0700 (PDT)) > On Aug 29, 1:27 am, r wrote: > > Have you tried saving the files as MYScriptName.py? notice the py > > extension, very important ;) > > That was it!!! > > I see the colors again. Thank you. I suggest you start using familiar technical terms. Li

Re: why python got less developers ?

2009-08-29 Thread paul
Deep_Feelings schrieb: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Besides the marketing argument, python never had a "hype". Both PHP and ruby(Rails to be precise) got widespread because they could at one point do "one" thi

Re: Colors on IDLE

2009-08-29 Thread vsoler
On Aug 29, 1:27 am, r wrote: > Have you tried saving the files as MYScriptName.py? notice the py > extension, very important ;) That was it!!! I see the colors again. Thank you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Overriding iadd for dictionary like objects

2009-08-29 Thread Carl Banks
On Aug 28, 10:37 pm, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > Carl Banks writes: > > > On Aug 28, 2:42 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > > > > Carl Banks wrote: > > > > I don't think it needs a syntax for that, but I'm not so sure a method > > > > to modify a value in place with a single key lookup wouldn't > > > >

IDE for Python

2009-08-29 Thread Thangappan.M
Dear all, Please suggest some good IDE for python.I am working in linux platform. -- Regards, Thangappan.M -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

SEI Job Opening

2009-08-29 Thread bilawal samoon
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Re: (Simple?) Unicode Question

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:34:43 +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > * Rami Chowdhury (Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:44:41 -0700) >> > Further, does anything, except a printing device need to know the >> > encoding of a piece of "text"? > > Python needs to know if you are processing the text. Python only needs to

Re: Combining C and Python programs

2009-08-29 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
On Saturday 29 August 2009 09:54:15 Sortie wrote: > I want to write a program that will use ode for the physics > simulation, whose python bindings are outdated. So I'm writing > the physics engine in C and want to write the drawing code in > Python. What will be the best way of making those two pr

Re: comparison on list yields surprising result

2009-08-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:36:38 +0200, Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: > On Friday 28 August 2009 21:00:31 Dr. Phillip M. Feldman wrote: >> In [21]: x >> Out[21]: [1, 2, 3, 5] >> >> In [22]: x>6 >> Out[22]: True >> >> Is this a bug? > > No, it is a feature, so that you can use sorted on this: > > [[1,2,3

Combining C and Python programs

2009-08-29 Thread Sortie
I want to write a program that will use ode for the physics simulation, whose python bindings are outdated. So I'm writing the physics engine in C and want to write the drawing code in Python. What will be the best way of making those two programs work together? THe physics engine won't have to

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