joseph.a.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings! I've heard enough raving about Python, I'm going to see for
myself what all the praise is for!
I'm on a Mac. I use Netbeans for Java, PHP, and C if needed. Do you
even use an IDE for Python?
I don't -- I just use TextWrangler and a Terminal window.
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Foo
Is that legal RB syntax?
You betcha!
How do you know? I haven't specified what Foo does.
You haven't specified whether Foo is a valid identifier at all, so I'm
assuming that it is both valid and used correctly here. The syntax is
certainly valid -- it
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
LogError Walk has gotten too silly, CurrentTime
Here, LogError is a method call that takes two arguments, and
CurrentTime is a method call that takes none.
That seems ambiguous to me. As a non-RealBasic programmer, I can see at
least four meanings it could have.
Aaron Brady wrote:
Where functions are first-class objects, a bare function object isn't
distinguishable either from its call.
That depends not on whether functions are first-class objects, but on
the *syntax* of function invocation vs. function reference. It just so
happens than in
Aaron Brady wrote:
I think it would be a good step if you could make some sensible
interpretation of a typical statement without its parentheses.
f abc 123
--
f( abc, 123 )
It would be just the thing in a couple of situations...
Such a language is possible -- take a look at REALbasic
Aaron Brady wrote:
Unambiguity and readability are two different things. (This should be
a quasi-tangent, neither agreed, nor opposed, nor unrelated to what
you said.)
If you have
f abc 123
it's unambiguous, but, if you have
g f abc 123 def
there's no sure way to determine where the call
This isn't a question, but something I thought others may find useful
(and if somebody can spot any errors with it, I'll be grateful).
We had a case recently where the client was running an older version of
our app, and didn't realize it. In other languages I've avoided this by
displaying
James Mills wrote:
You know you could just store a __version__
attribute in your main library (__init__.py). :)
What, and update it manually? I don't trust myself to remember to do
that every time!
Best,
- Joe
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
James Mills wrote:
Also I'd like to point out that your method is not
very reliable as the modification time of those
files could change at any moment. Consider
unix systems for instnace where you could do:
touch *
And poof, you're modification times are now
the current time!
Yes, and
Terry Reedy wrote:
Yes, and presumably if some power user did this, then that would be
the intended effect. Not sure why they'd do that, but they must have
a good reason -- who am I to stop them?
What if a curious user simple looks at a file with an editor and saves
it without change?
ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
What is the observable difference between converting an
array to a reference (pointer) to that array and passing
the reference by value, and passing the array by reference?
The difference is whether an assignment to the formal parameter (within
the function) affects
Aaron Brady wrote:
Aaron Brady wrote:
Possible compromise. You can think of functions as mutation-only.
You pass the object, and it gets a new (additional) name. The old
name doesn't go in. /compromise
That's correct. The reference itself is passed in, not the variable (or
expression)
ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
a = array (1,2,3)
b = a
a[1] = 4
print b
C, C++, VBA, Fortran, Perl: 1, 2, 3
Python: 1, 4, 3
You are mistaken
I don't think so.
See http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f99d5a0d8f869b96
The code I quoted there was tested.
In the C/C++ case,
Aaron Brady wrote:
Possible compromise. You can think of functions as mutation-only.
You pass the object, and it gets a new (additional) name. The old
name doesn't go in. /compromise
That's correct. The reference itself is passed in, not the variable (or
expression) that held or
ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
I never claimed that you *couldn't* have copy semantics in C; you can do
almost anything you want in C (or C++). But the *normal* usage of an
array is via a pointer, in which case the semantics are exactly the same
as in Python, Java, REALbasic, .NET, etc.
Arrays are
Mark Wooding wrote:
As an aside, I don't notice anywhere near as much confusion in Lisp and
Scheme groups, which might be surprising since Lisp and Scheme have
precisely the same data model, argument passing convention, and
assignment semantics, as Python has.
Nor is there anywhere near as
Mark Wooding wrote:
The `they're just objects' model is very simple, but gets tied up in
knots explaining things. The `it's all references' model is only a
little more complicated, but explains everything.
But it *over* explains, because it implies things that everybody knows
about references
ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
the same as anyone else's only if [Python's] idea
of assignment does not include producing the same
results.
a = array (1,2,3)
b = a
a[1] = 4
print b
C, C++, VBA, Fortran, Perl: 1, 2, 3
Python: 1, 4, 3
You are mistaken (except perhaps in the Fortran case,
Li Han wrote:
Sorry, I oversimplified the question because of my poor english. It is
an analog compass whose value we need to read into the computer every
second. We use a video camera keep shooting it, and the compass and
camera are fixed.
If you have any choice about it, it would be
Dan Esch wrote:
In essence, the implication of immutability for Python is that there is
only one parrot, one spam,in fact one anything. (This seems like it
must hold for data primitives - does it hold for complex objects as
well? It seems it must...) In addition there is only one 1, and one 2
Mark Wooding wrote:
Derek Martin c...@pizzashack.org wrote:
I think I have though, not that it matters, since that was never
really my point. Python's assignment model requires more explanation
than the traditional one, simply to state what it does. That alone is
evidence (but not proof).
I've actually been rather frustrated by Python lately. It's great at
some things, but rather poor at others. In the latter category is
building a neatly packaged executable that can be shipped to users and
run reliably on their machine. On the Mac in particular, if you want
your app to run
Kay Schluehr wrote:
There is no solution to this problem from a Python perspective. Do
what everyone does right now: use Flash for the game and manage your
site with Python if you like the language.
I know this has been discussed before, and the difficulties are many,
yadda yadda etc... But
M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On the Mac in particular, if you want
your app to run on any PowerPC or Intel machine runing 10.4 or later,
and you're using anything not in the standard framework (such as
MySQLdb), it's a bit of a nightmare.
You're looking for py2app:
Steve Holden wrote:
I'd like the console to be a bidirectional representation of what's
going on in the gui, plus a general purpose evaluation environment
where you can manipulate application data via some api which is
automatically exposed to the console when the application opens up.
I'm
Alvin ONeal wrote:
Also worthy of mention:
I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)
It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.
Cheers,
- Joe
--
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
The question is why the Python interpreter use the default encoding
instead of utf-8, which I explicitly declared in the source.
Because the declaration is only for decoding unicode literals in that
very source file.
And because strings in Python, unlike in
Peter Otten wrote:
If you are using Python 2.x:
...
So you better throw in a float(...):
Or, add
from __future__ import division
at the top of the file. I put this at the top of all my Python files,
whether I expect to be dividing or not. It just saves grief.
Cheers,
- Joe
--
Mensanator wrote:
from __future__ import division
at the top of the file. I put this at the top of all my Python files,
whether I expect to be dividing or not. It just saves grief.
If you want division to be floating point.
If, like me, you rarely do floating point
division and want the / to
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
And because strings in Python, unlike in (say) REALbasic, do not know
their encoding -- they're just a string of bytes. If they were a string
of bytes PLUS an encoding, then every string would know what it is, and
things like conversion to another encoding, or
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
I don't see the shortcoming in Python 3.0. If you want real strings
with characters instead of just a bunch of bytes simply use `unicode`
objects instead of `str`.
Fair enough -- that certainly is the best policy. But working with any
other encoding (sometimes
I'd like to write an AIM bot in Python. I found and tried
http://www.jamwt.com/Py-TOC/, but it doesn't work for me:
Connecting...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File aimbot-1.py, line 17, in module
bot.go()
File /Users/jstrout/Documents/Python-Dev/AIMbot/toc.py, line 62,
in go
Here's my situation: I'm making an AIM bot, but the AIM server will
get annoyed if you log in too frequently (and then lock you out for a
while). So my usual build-a-little, test-a-little methodology doesn't
work too well.
So I'd like to restructure my app so that it can stay running and
On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:46 AM, Krishnakant wrote:
in this case, I get a problem when there is ' in any of the values
during insert or update.
That's because ' is the SQL string literal delimiter. But any SQL-
compliant database allows you to escape an apostrophe within a
string literal by
On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:52 PM, navneet khanna wrote:
I want to create a structure within a structure i.e. nested
structures in python.
I tried with everything but its not working.
my code is like this:
class L(Structure):
def __init__(self,Name='ND',Addr=0,ds_obj = D()):
Change the
On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
Change the default value of ds_obj here to None. Otherwise, you will
certainly confuse yourself (there would be just one default object
shared among all instances).
Joe missed a piece out here. If you change the signature of your
D.__init__()
On Dec 10, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Nok wrote:
I can't get call-by-reference functions to work in SWIG...
Python doesn't have any call-by-reference support at all [1], so I'm
not surprised that a straight translation of the call-by-reference C
function doesn't work.
Unfortunately I don't know
On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Robocop wrote:
I have a list of objects, each object having two relevant attributes:
date and id. I'd like not only organize by id, but also by date.
I.e. i would like to parse my list into smaller lists such that each
new mini-list has a unique date, but consists
My company is considering a contract job that would require some
development staff on the client site in Denver. We'd like to
subcontract some of that work. If you're a good Python coder in the
Denver area, and would be available at least three days a week
starting in January, please
On Dec 10, 2008, at 4:29 PM, J. Clifford Dyer wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can I make a var parm, where the called function can modify
the value of the parameter in the caller?
See Also: the earlier heated debate thread over what evaluation
strategy Python uses (Survey says!:
On Dec 9, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Brian Allen Vanderburg II wrote:
There is one situation where a module can be imported/executed
twice, if it is the __main__ module.
That's an excellent point -- this is something I've run into, and it
always feels a bit awkward to code around it. What's the
On Dec 7, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Group wrote:
Now, I want to write a Red-Black Tree, and a List structure. In C/C+
+, I can
use pointers to refer to children notes (or next notes). But, in
Python, how
can I do it? Except the sequence, I know not any way.
Any variable in Python is a
On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:18:27 -0700, Joe Strout wrote:
On Dec 7, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Group wrote:
Now, I want to write a Red-Black Tree, and a List structure. In C/C
+ +,
I can
use pointers to refer to children notes (or next notes
On Dec 7, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Duncan Booth wrote:
Python is just printing the ascii bell character: some environments
will
interpret that as a request to make a beep, some will do things like
flashing the whole screen, others just output a graphic character.
Python
doesn't know what your
On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-12-07, Joe Strout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But invoking the standard system beep
What makes you think there is such a thing as the standard system
beep?
Because OS X (the platform with which I'm most familiar) certainly has
one
On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Of course, if you're volunteering to write such a standard system beep
for Python, I for one would be grateful.
I am. But where should I put it? Assuming we don't want to wait for
the (understandably) lengthy and contentious process
On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Johannes Bauer wrote:
I suspect that '?' after \n (\u0a00) is indicates not 'question-mark'
but 'uninterpretable as a utf16 character'. The traceback below
confirms that. It should be an end-of-file marker and should not be
passed to Python. I strongly suspect
I have lines in a config file which can end with a comment (delimited
by # as in Python), but which may also contain string literals
(delimited by double quotes). A comment delimiter within a string
literal doesn't count. Is there any easy way to strip off such a
comment, or do I need to
On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Matimus wrote:
I wrote this a while ago. I sort of regret it though. Mixins could
(and I will argue should) be avoided most of the time by delegating to
other objects with less functionality. Utilizing many mixin classes
tends to just make gigantic classes. This is
OK, this will probably be placed into the stupid question category
by some, but I really am in need of a bit of guidance here.
I just rediscovered the gotcha of integer division in 2.5 and below,
and found (to my delight) that this is fixed in 3.0, and fixable in
older versions of Python
On Nov 21, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I have a function that takes a reference to a class,
Hmmm... how do you do that from Python code? The simplest way I can
think
of is to extract the name of the class, and then pass the name as a
reference to the class, and hope it hasn't
On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:08 AM, Aaron Brady wrote:
Furthermore, to apply c-b-v to Python, you have to
introduce the concept of pointers, which is ostensibly non-native for
human programmers.
Not necessarily pointers per se -- any type of object references
will do, and yes, Python has those in
On Nov 21, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
a, b = line.split()
Note that in a case like this, you may want to consider using
partition instead of split:
a, sep, b = line.partition(' ')
This way, if there happens to be more than one space (for example,
because the Unicode
On Nov 21, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Chuck Connors wrote:
The first value (large number) is the UPC, the next element is the
coupon description, followed by a date in parenthesis. Those are the
only three elements I am concerned with. Can someone help me in
reformatting this:
40922003 Life
On Nov 21, 2008, at 8:58 AM, r0g wrote:
I hadn't really appreciated the consequences of this till now though
e.g. that an instance might do a = a + 1 without affecting it's
siblings
but that b.append(fish) would affect b for everyone. I don't know
if I
will find any uses for that kind of
On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
Joe Strout wrote:
On Nov 21, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
a, b = line.split()
Note that in a case like this, you may want to consider using
partition
instead of split:
a, sep, b = line.partition(' ')
This way
On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Tim Golden wrote:
Tim Chase wrote:
qfields = ['' + fld.strip() + '' for fld in (num,desc,date)]
out = qfields.join(',')
Just a quick note here to prevent the confusion of the OP...this
should be
','.join(qfields)
Thanks Tim #1, for pointing out my error (my
On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:26 AM, MRAB wrote:
The file will be closed automatically when the file object is
garbage-collected.
CPython uses reference-counting, so the file object is garbage-
collected as soon as there are no references to it.
Jython (and IronPython?) are garbage-collected in
I have a function that takes a reference to a class, and then
instantiates that class (and then does several other things with the
new instance). This is easy enough:
item = cls(self, **itemArgs)
where cls is the class reference, and itemArgs is obviously a set of
keyword arguments
On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Arnaud Delobelle wrote:
Of course it's possible: use type(name, bases, dict).
Thanks, I never knew about that form of type(). Neither does the
2.5.2 reference manual, whose only index entry for the type() function
is
On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
Where would I find documentation on this nifty function?
Where built-in functions are documented, the Python Library Reference:
http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/built-in-funcs.html
Perfect, thank you. (Odd that the index entry for type()
On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Douglas Alan wrote:
Personally, I find this whole debate kind of silly, as it is based on
a completely fallacious either/or dichotomy.
(1) It is unarguably true that Python and Java use a type of
call-by-value. This follows from the standard definition of
On Nov 19, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Mohsen Akbari wrote:
I'm a newbie in python and I have this problem with the code that
I'm writing. There is a very long line which I wish to output it to
a text file.But when I do this, in the output file, the result
appears in two lines.
Appears that way
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Mark wrote:
I used pickle and found the file was saved in text format. I wonder
whether anyone is familiar with a good compact off-the-shelf module
available that will save in compressed format... or maybe an opinion
on a smart approach for making a custom one?
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Eric wrote:
My son has an idea for a program to
write. Basically he would like to present a window with a small circle
on it. The window title would have the instruction to click on the
circle. As the mouse approaches the circle, it moves away from the
spot. Being
On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Gabriel Genellina wrote:
I don't feel anybody would improve their Python skills chasing what
the value of an object is, least to make contortions so some
arbitrary definition of call by value be applicable to the language.
Actually, contortions are required to
On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Arnaud Delobelle wrote:
Aaron Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One way around it, which I like the idea of but I'll be honest, I've
never used, is getting a function a 'self' parameter. You could make
it a dictionary or a blank container object, or just the
On Nov 13, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
def spam(_count=[0]):
_count[0] += 1
return spam * _count[0]
This is a common trick, often used for things like caching. One major
advantage is that you are exposing the cache as an *optional* part
of the
interface, which makes
On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would be actually interesting would be an switch to the python
interpreter that internally annotated function parameters with how
they are used in the function and raised an exception as soon as the
function is called instead of later.
On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Paul McGuire wrote:
Or to be even more thorough:
def sub(x: must have getitem, y: must have strip and strip must be
callable, and y.strip must return something that has replace and
replace must be callable)
So even this simple example gets nasty in a hurry, let
On Nov 14, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Jerry Hill wrote:
Then add
def __init__(self):
a = 0
b = 0
to your box class to make a and b instance variables.
Doesn't that have to be self.a and self.b?
Best,
- Joe
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has pointed you at Alex Martelli's recipe here:
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/52291/
Thanks for that -- it's clever how he combines binding the methods
he'll use with doing the checking.
While the recipe is
One thing I miss as I move from REALbasic to Python is the ability to
have static storage within a method -- i.e. storage that is persistent
between calls, but not visible outside the method. I frequently use
this for such things as caching, or for keeping track of how many
objects a
On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Chris Mellon wrote:
Static storage is a way of preserving state. Objects are a way of
encapsulating state and behavior. Use an object.
Argh. I've been back in the Python community for about a month, and
I've been continually amazed at how every single how do I
Steve wrote:
This is a pretty bizarre requirement, IMHO. The normal place to keep
such information is either class variables or instance variables.
Holy cow, I thought it was just Chris, but there were half a dozen
similar responses after that.
I'm starting to see a pattern here... any
On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:15 AM, J. Cliff Dyer wrote:
Here are a few essays into the matter
def foo():
... foo._count += 1
... return (spam * foo.count).rstrip()
Simple and straightforward, and _count is still encapsulated in the
function, but it's kind of ugly, because when the
Hi Luis,
A lot of languages have ditched the concept of a static variable
on a method (how do
you parse that sentence, btw?) in favour of using encapsulation.
A static variable IS encapsulation. Encapsulation happens at many
levels: module, class, instance, and (in languages that support
On Nov 11, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Rafe wrote:
I'm sure there is a magic identifier somewhere that lets a code get
a reference to its own module, but I haven't been able to find it.
import sys
this_module = sys.modules[__name__]
Beautiful! Thanks very much. For the archives, here is my standard
On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tim Rowe wrote:
What do you actually mean by Quacks like a string? Supports the
'count()' method? Then you find out if it doesn't when you try to
apply the 'count()' method. Supports some method that you don't
actually use? Then why do you care?
Because if I
On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me that what you are describing is exactly what abcs were
added for in 2.6, in particular registration:
class AnotherClass(metaclass=ABCMeta):
pass
AnotherClass.register(basestring)
assert isinstance(str, AnotherClass)
Let me preface this by saying that I think I get the concept of duck-
typing.
However, I still want to sprinkle my code with assertions that, for
example, my parameters are what they're supposed to be -- too often I
mistakenly pass in something I didn't intend, and when that happens, I
On Nov 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Tim Rowe wrote:
And then the original class definition changes -- new members added --
but the ones from the factory class don't change, and so are no longer
compliant with the the factory class (which doesn't support the new
I've been using docstring to exercise each of my modules, with code
like this:
def _test():
import doctest
doctest.testmod()
if __name__ == __main__:
_test()
This works great when I execute each module by itself. However, if I
want to call mymodule._test() from
Some corrections, to highlight the depth of my confusion...
On Nov 11, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Joe Strout wrote:
doctest.testmod(mymodule)
This actually works fine if I'm importing the module (with the
standard name) somewhere else
Actually, it does not.
I noticed that a function
Is there any Python-based fish simulation project? I've tried
searching google and pypi, but no luck. No burning need, just seems
like it'd be fun.
Thanks,
- Joe
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
That hinges on what exactly is meant by changes to
the arguments.
Mutating them, like Python does, which is why calling Python CBV
leads people to write buggy code.
In Python it can only mean assigning
directly to the bare name -- anything
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Aaron Brady wrote:
I agree with Terry that all calling is call-by-value, and Steven that
all calling is call-by-bit-flipping. I agree with Joe that call-by-
object is a special case of call-by-value.
Woo! Almost sounds like approaching consensus. :)
However,
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Zane Selvans wrote:
However, one (and only one) of these instance variables is behaving
mysteriously like a class variable: all instances of the class are
sharing a single copy of the variable, located at the same place in
memory.
Is there a common mistake
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Aaron Brady wrote:
Therefore objects don't need names to exist. Having a name is
sufficient but not necessary to exist. Being in a container is
neither necessary -nor- sufficient.
What do you mean? Being in a container isn't necessary, but it
certainly is
On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
So if you then insist that Python uses call by object,
you're actually saying it uses call by value!
Both Joe and you seem to be engaging in the following bit of
sophistry:
In order for code A to call code B, some information must be
On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:35 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
That's good to hear. Your arguments are sometimes pretty good, and
usually well made, but there's been far too much insistence on all
sides
about being right and not enough on reaching agreement about how
Python's well-defined semantics for
On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Note: I tried to say name above instead of variable but I
couldn't
bring myself to do it -- name seems to generic to do that job.
Lots
of things have names that are not variables: modules have names,
classes
have names, methods have
On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
Python has two types of names. Some complex objects -- modules,
classes, and functions, and wrappers and subclasses thereof, have
'definition names' that are used instead of a 'value' to print a
representation. Otherwise, names are
On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_by_something#Call_by_sharing
Call by sharing
Also known as call by object or call by object-sharing is an
evaluation strategy first named by Barbara Liskov et al for the
language CLU in 1974[1]. It is used
On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
C++:
void foo(PersonPtr who) {
who-zipcode = 12345;
}
Please show us the type definition of PersonPtr
Sorry, that'd be obvious to anyone experienced in C++, but I shouldn't
assume. It would be:
typedef Person*
On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
4. You now see how a mutating an object within a function tells you
NOTHING about how the reference to that object was passed.
5. You see that the first three languages above are passing a
reference by value and using that to mutate and
On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Lie wrote:
http://www.strout.net/info/coding/valref/
I'm fed up with you.
I'm sorry -- I'm really not trying to be difficult. And it's odd that
you're fed up with me, yet you seem to be agreeing with me on at least
most points.
In Von Neumann Architecture
On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Arnaud Delobelle wrote:
I know this thread has grown quite personal for some of its
participants. I am posting in a spirit of peace and understanding :)
Thanks, I'll do the same.
Um, no, I've admitted that it's a reference all along. Indeed,
that's
pretty
First, I want to thank everyone for your patience -- I think we're
making progress towards a consensus.
On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
that's
pretty much the whole point: that variables in Python don't contain
objects, but merely contain references to objects that are
On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:53 PM, 3000 billg wrote:
I am a leaner. for your experience. Which GUI Lib will be the best
for Python? wxpython, Tkinter or...
I'm sure you'll get as many opinions on this as there are libraries.
However, I recently faced the same choice, and settled on wxPython.
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