Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-07 Thread Ville Vainio
On May 6, 11:27 pm, hdante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GPL can mix with other free software licenses, so people who write > BSD code and do not wish to remain BSD clean are free to use GPL'd > code. That's the important point. No, it can't. It can only mix through aggregation, i.e. you can ship

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Rubin
"Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How do people feel about Vellum's GPLv3 status? I'm certainly in favor of it, though I didn't notice this question until it spawned its own thread, and I'm not currently a Vellum user or developer, so maybe my view shouldn't count for much. -- http://ma

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ville M. Vainio) writes: > if the idea is to maximize the popularity, GPL is a worse bet. That is not a valid inference. Look at the popularity of Linux vs BSD, for example. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-06 Thread hdante
On May 5, 3:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ville M. Vainio) wrote: > "Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > GPLv3? > > > How do people feel about Vellum's GPLv3 status?  It actually doesn't > > impact anyone unless you embed Vellum into a project/product or you > > Yeah, but it effectively prev

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-06 Thread Carl Banks
On Apr 29, 3:51 am, "Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GPLv3? > > How do people feel about Vellum's GPLv3 status? It's going to scare away some folks. Using LGPL will almost certainly scare away fewer. People who don't like GPL are usually concerned about its viral aspects moreso than th

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-05 Thread Paul Boddie
On 5 Mai, 23:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ville M. Vainio) wrote: > Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Anyway, I'm just confirming that I'm clearly not one of the "many" > > described above. A lot of my own work is licensed under the GPL or > > I guess it's safe to assume that you are not oppose

License selection for free software (was: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching)

2008-05-05 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ville M. Vainio) writes: > Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Anyway, I'm just confirming that I'm clearly not one of the "many" > > described above. A lot of my own work is licensed under the GPL or > > I guess it's safe to assume that you are not opposed to using

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-05 Thread Ville M. Vainio
Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyway, I'm just confirming that I'm clearly not one of the "many" > described above. A lot of my own work is licensed under the GPL or I guess it's safe to assume that you are not opposed to using code based on more liberal license, right? :-) My point

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-05 Thread Paul Boddie
On 5 Mai, 20:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ville M. Vainio) wrote: > > Basically, avoiding GPL maximizes the brainshare that a small-ish tool > is going to attract, and many (including myself, FWIW) view GPL as a > big turn-off when I consider spending some time to familiarize myself > with a tool, or rec

Re: [ANN] Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-05 Thread Ville M. Vainio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I didn't find your language offensive but you might consider toning down > your review of the Awesome Window Manager :) Nah - keep up the bad attitude. Your (Zed) blog/articles are one of the few things on the programmosphere that actually make me laugh audibly. -- ht

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-05 Thread Ville M. Vainio
"Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > GPLv3? > > How do people feel about Vellum's GPLv3 status? It actually doesn't > impact anyone unless you embed Vellum into a project/product or you Yeah, but it effectively prevents people from embedding it into their apps that wish to remain BSD/MIT

Re: [ANN] Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-01 Thread python
Zed, Read the first 2 chapters of your book and love it! Fun to read - I like your writing style. I agreed with most of your premises/philosophies - very refreshing. I didn't find your language offensive but you might consider toning down your review of the Awesome Window Manager :) When do you

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-05-01 Thread Istvan Albert
On Apr 29, 3:51 am, "Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can grab the most recent draft of the book at: > > http://zedshaw.com/projects/vellum/manual-final.pdf > However, I'm curious to get other people's thoughts. IMO if you would refrain from using swear words in the manual it would

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-04-30 Thread Michele Simionato
On Apr 29, 9:51 am, "Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, I'm curious to get other people's thoughts. For what concerns the license, I would say that GPL3 is fine: for a tool basically any kind of license is fine, since the tool is external to the code, so this is a minor point. I a

Re: ]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-04-29 Thread Ben Finney
"Zed A. Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just putting out an announcement that I've released a new version of > Vellum numbered 0.16. When announcing new versions of Foo software, please always include (near the top) a "What is Foo?" or "About Foo" section, so that people know what you're talk

]ANN[ Vellum 0.16: Lots Of Documentation and Watching

2008-04-29 Thread Zed A. Shaw
Hi Everyone, Just putting out an announcement that I've released a new version of Vellum numbered 0.16. This version should be ready for people to use as not much of the internal structure has changed in a great many commits and it contains all the latest bug fixes. It also has the beginning of