Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2005-03-15 Thread Charles Hixson
Terry Reedy wrote: Luis M. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... It is as important and python related as other projects such as PyPy, Stackless, but I think this is silly. PyPy is an alternate implementation of Python, not a different language.

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2005-03-15 Thread Charles Hixson
Grant Edwards wrote: That seems to imply that you think market sucess == technical merits. Unless you mean that Prothon was a technical failure rather than a market-share failure... As Prothon never got as far as an alpha stage product, I don't think you could call it a technical success. It

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Ville Vainio
Doug == Doug Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doug I already stated that I will not mention boo again, to Doug comply with Fredrik's wishes and yours. I will refer to Relax, and go ahead talking about Boo all you want. I for one enjoy reading about it, and probably many others as well.

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Michael Hoffman
Erik Max Francis wrote: How bizarre is it that they're trying to sell Spry by indicating it uses the very best features of Prothon, given that Prothon was a failed project? And Python uses the very best features of ABC. What's your point? ;-) Not that I've ever even used Prothon, although I

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Michael Hoffman wrote: How bizarre is it that they're trying to sell Spry by indicating it uses the very best features of Prothon, given that Prothon was a failed project? And Python uses the very best features of ABC. did you learn that from reading Python marketing material, or by

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Holton wrote: Istvan Albert wrote: All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs from python. Calling it virtually identical is *very* misleading. The syntax is indeed virtually identical to python.

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Carlos Ribeiro
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:53:01 -0600, Doug Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me say it again then, although I do not know why it threatens people so much: the syntax of boo is indeed virtually identical to python's. That is what I said and what is clear from the website. Doug, Boo seems to be

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Roger Binns
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry Reedy wrote: This I again agree with. I understand that Prothon is also a *different* though Python inspired language. Also that it is still under development. http://www.prothon.org/ All work on Prothon

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:22:51 -0800, Roger Binns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That work died due to a crisis of faith: http://mylist.net/archives/spry-dev/2004-November/72.html rolls eyes Soon it will be possible to become a well-known programmer without writing any code at all; just

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Peter Hansen
A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:22:51 -0800, Roger Binns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That work died due to a crisis of faith: http://mylist.net/archives/spry-dev/2004-November/72.html rolls eyes Soon it will be possible to become a well-known programmer without writing any code at

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Thomas Heller
A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:22:51 -0800, Roger Binns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That work died due to a crisis of faith: http://mylist.net/archives/spry-dev/2004-November/72.html rolls eyes Soon it will be possible to become a well-known

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Philippe C. Martin
Sorry but I really feel this incredible waste of energy is polluting an, otherwise, excellent and helpful mailing list. Best regards, Philippe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Alan Kennedy
[Roger Binns] That work died due to a crisis of faith: http://mylist.net/archives/spry-dev/2004-November/72.html [A.M. Kuchling] rolls eyes Soon it will be possible to become a well-known programmer without writing any code at all; just issue grandiose manifestos and plans until everyone is

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Erik Max Francis
Michael Hoffman wrote: And Python uses the very best features of ABC. What's your point? ;-) Not that I've ever even used Prothon, although I thought the way the implementor dropped it into conversation was non-obnoxious. There could be a valuable lesson here. I'm not talking about the way the

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
Don't worry.. Now we'll make a big group hug therapy and friends again! Cheers, Luis Philippe C. Martin wrote: Sorry but I really feel this incredible waste of energy is polluting an, otherwise, excellent and helpful mailing list. Best regards, Philippe --

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2004-12-21, Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fredrik Lundh wrote: (the site is pointing to a new project, Pycs, whose site is pointing to a new project, Spry, the first dynamic language to have all the best capabilities of Python, Prothon, and C# (actually C-Omega) in one

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Erik Max Francis
Grant Edwards wrote: That seems to imply that you think market sucess == technical merits. Unless you mean that Prothon was a technical failure rather than a market-share failure... Since it was clearly both, I'm not sure why you're making this false dichotomy. Trying to sell Spry, Pycs, or

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Fredrik Lundh wrote: (and by the way, comp.lang.python isn't the community. most python pro- grammers are elsewhere, and will only read what we post when googling for the answer to some specific problem...) They are busy writing programs in Python, some of them even do it for the money, 9 AM - 5

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread Terry Reedy
Luis M. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry Reedy wrote: In response to a claim (I presume by LG and snipped by LG) that Boo is as related to Python as PyPy or Stackless, I wrote. but I think this is silly. The 'this' that I referred to as silly was

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
Peter Hansen wrote: And given that Boo is *not* virtually identical to Python*, pointing it out to a self-proclaimed newbie with a question about enums seems like nothing more than an ill-chosen moment to do a little proselytizing. Why not just start a thread about Boo and point it out to

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Steve Holden
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: And given that Boo is *not* virtually identical to Python*, pointing it out to a self-proclaimed newbie with a question about enums seems like nothing more than an ill-chosen moment to do a little proselytizing. Why not just start a thread about Boo and

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Steve Holden
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Steve, I didn't want to be agressive at all. Although now that I read again my post, it seems a little bit harsh... But I see that very often in this list, some replies show much of intolerance and very little politeness. And in my oppinion, this is one of these cases. I

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Istvan Albert
Doug Holton wrote: the syntax of boo is indeed virtually identical to python. All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs from python. Calling it virtually identical is *very* misleading. I've downloaded and tried it when you first made this claim and it turned out that boo

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
Istvan Albert wrote: All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs from python. Calling it virtually identical is *very* misleading. That's right. I wouldn't say it is *virtually identical* because Boo is not Python (and this was clearly stated in its web site). It is an

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Terry Reedy
Luis M. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As for the first ones, there's no reason to bash this project gratuitelly. [gratuitously] I agree with this... It is as important and python related as other projects such as PyPy, Stackless, but I think this is

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread James Stroud
I think the python community should be prepared to accept an increasing number of people who just want to get something done with whatever tools they have available (windows, mac, .net, etc) and with whatever skills they already have acquired. For example (having been in this situation before)

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
Terry Reedy wrote: [gratuitously] I agree with this... well, my english is bad. I know! but I think this is silly. PyPy is an alternate implementation of Python, not a different language. Stackless is a compiled extension, like many others, that works with the standard implementation or

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Doug Holton
Peter Hansen wrote: Doug Holton wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Virtually identical indeed. :-) As noted on the website that I've pointed out to you multiple times now, the syntax of boo is indeed virtually identical to python. The functionality however, is more like C#. Sadly your second post

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Doug Holton
Istvan Albert wrote: Doug Holton wrote: the syntax of boo is indeed virtually identical to python. All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs from python. Calling it virtually identical is *very* misleading. The syntax is indeed virtually identical to python. You are yet another

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Hans Nowak
Doug Holton wrote: Istvan Albert wrote: Doug Holton wrote: the syntax of boo is indeed virtually identical to python. All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs from python. Calling it virtually identical is *very* misleading. The syntax is indeed virtually identical to python.

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Doug Holton
Hans Nowak wrote: Regardless of the merits of Boo, this is comp.lang.python, not comp.lang.boo. The language may *look* like Python, but its inner workings are nothing like Python, as several people have correctly pointed out now. (Just like Java's syntax may look like C or C++ in some

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Brian van den Broek
Doug Holton said unto the world upon 2004-12-20 18:45: Peter Hansen wrote: Doug Holton wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Virtually identical indeed. :-) SNIP I gave such a short answer because the way you framed your questions and the context of your post made it clear you are a troll. Your reply here

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Mike Meyer
Michael Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doug Holton wrote: Istvan Albert wrote: All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs from python. Calling it virtually identical is *very* misleading. The syntax is indeed virtually identical to python. You are yet another person who

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Tim Peters
[Doug Holton] ... But I will not be intimidated by the likes of Fredrik Lundh. Trollers will be held accountable. Doug, Doug, Doug. Fredrik isn't a troll. He's a Swede. Trolls are Norwegian. Lighten up, please. Fredrik is usually terse, and sometimes curt (although Americans seem to have

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Terry Reedy wrote: This I again agree with. I understand that Prothon is also a *different* though Python inspired language. Also that it is still under development. http://www.prothon.org/ All work on Prothon has been halted (the site is pointing to a new project, Pycs, whose site

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Erik Max Francis
Fredrik Lundh wrote: (the site is pointing to a new project, Pycs, whose site is pointing to a new project, Spry, the first dynamic language to have all the best capabilities of Python, Prothon, and C# (actually C-Omega) in one language, on which work has rarely begun) How bizarre is it that

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-20 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Doug Holton wrote: Do you have financial conflict of interest too like Fredrik? I suggest you do your homework, and post an apology. Immediately. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-19 Thread Doug Holton
Peter Hansen wrote: Why? If it's virtually identical, why would anyone bother even visiting that site? ;-) But I suspect you mean that the syntax of the language is virtually identical, while probably there are some significant differences. Maybe in the richness of its standard library? Or the

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-19 Thread Peter Hansen
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Why? If it's virtually identical, why would anyone bother even visiting that site? ;-) The difference is that it runs on the .NET frmework (and Mono). So instead of using the python standard libraries, you use the .NET ones. Regarding its syntax, it is very similar to

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-19 Thread Doug Holton
Peter Hansen wrote: Virtually identical indeed. :-) As noted on the website that I've pointed out to you multiple times now, the syntax of boo is indeed virtually identical to python. The functionality however, is more like C#. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list