Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 16:02, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: You claim collective experience is not reliable and dismiss it in favor of your own theory, flaming trolls is a better response. And your evidence for that? Nothing (that I've read so far). You can decide all for yourself on how you want to handle

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-07-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:02 AM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: ... engaging in flame wars with trolls simply produces more flames, hostility begets hostility ... It does. Please can these threads die quietly now? ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-07-02 Thread rurpy
On 07/01/2013 01:38 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 01-07-13 16:02, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: You claim collective experience is not reliable and dismiss it in favor of your own theory, flaming trolls is a better response. And your evidence for that? Nothing (that I've read so far).

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 30-06-13 19:50, Ian Kelly schreef: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Antoon Pardon That is a bit odd. Rurpy seemed to consider it a big nono if others used methods that would coerce him to change his behaviour. But here you see shaming as an option which seems a coercive method. Well,

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-07-01 Thread rurpy
On 06/30/2013 11:25 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 28-06-13 19:20, Ian Kelly schreef: [...] Flaming a troll is not punishing to them. I see I didn't make my point clear. This was my response to your remark about the collective experience going back decades. The collective experience often

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-30 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 28-06-13 19:20, Ian Kelly schreef: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: So what do you think would be a good approach towards people who are behaving in conflict with this wish of yours? Just bluntly call them worse than the troll or try to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: So what do you think would be a good approach towards people who are behaving in conflict with this wish of yours? Just bluntly call them worse than the troll or try to approach them in a way that is less

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: So what do you think would be a good approach towards people who are behaving in conflict with this wish of yours? Just bluntly call them worse than the troll or try to approach them in a way that is less

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-28 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 26-06-13 23:02, Ian Kelly schreef: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: But you didn't even go to the trouble of trying to find out what those concerns would be and how strong people feel about them. You just took your assumptions about those

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-27 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 25-06-13 19:25, Ian Kelly schreef: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: What do you mean with not a participant in the past? As far as I can see his first appearance was in dec 2011. That is over a year ago. It also seems that he always find

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: But you didn't even go to the trouble of trying to find out what those concerns would be and how strong people feel about them. You just took your assumptions about those concerns for granted and proceeded from

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: What do you mean with not a participant in the past? As far as I can see his first appearance was in dec 2011. That is over a year ago. It also seems that he always find people willing to engage with him. Is how

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-26 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 25-06-13 17:56, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/24/2013 07:37 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 23-06-13 16:29, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/21/2013 01:32 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 19-06-13 23:13, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: [...] I put forward what I thought was a rational way of thinking

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-25 Thread rurpy
On 06/24/2013 07:37 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 23-06-13 16:29, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/21/2013 01:32 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 19-06-13 23:13, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: [...] Note: although I clipped the group volition paragraphs, thank you for pointing out that Nikos posts go back to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-24 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 23-06-13 16:29, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/21/2013 01:32 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 19-06-13 23:13, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: The troll is outside the volition of the group and so his appearance is effectively an act of nature. This seems a rather artificial division. Especially

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-23 Thread rurpy
On 06/21/2013 01:32 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 19-06-13 23:13, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/19/2013 04:57 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 19-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: I don't remember making such a claim. What I do remember is you among others claiming that the problem was not (so

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-21 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 21-06-13 04:40, Ian Kelly schreef: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: There are two problems with your reasoning. The first is that you are equivocating on expect. Expect can mean you will be surprised if it doesn't happen but it can also

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 21-06-13 04:40, Ian Kelly schreef: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: There are two problems with your reasoning. The first is that you are equivocating on

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-21 Thread rusi
On Friday, June 21, 2013 9:49:01 PM UTC+5:30, Ian wrote: The level of hospitality is already decreasing for me. That's why I'm speaking up. I believe that this can be a point of unanimity -- The level of hospitality having gone down enough, I felt the need to speak up. And with the

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-21 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 19-06-13 23:13, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/19/2013 04:57 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 19-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/18/2013 02:22 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: I don't remember making such a claim. What I do remember is you among others claiming that the problem was not

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-20 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 19-06-13 20:40, Ian Kelly schreef: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: I don't remember making such a claim. What I do remember is you among others claiming that the problem was not (so much) the troll (Nikos) but the others. Count me among

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-20 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: There are two problems with your reasoning. The first is that you are equivocating on expect. Expect can mean you will be surprised if it doesn't happen but it can also mean you will feel indignant or

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:49 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/18/2013 01:21 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving you as such. This being Python-list, we duck-type. You don't have to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:07:28 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On the contrary, stereotyping is You are-a quality, therefore you will behave in manner. I don't think that's how stereotypes usually work. He wears a turban, therefore he's an Arab terrorist. He's wearing black, has pale skin,

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:07:28 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On the contrary, stereotyping is You are-a quality, therefore you will behave in manner. I don't think that's how stereotypes usually work.

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 19-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/18/2013 02:22 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 17-06-13 19:56, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: I was using the photodetector/light system as a emotion-free analog of the troll/troll-feeders positive feedback system for which you claimed it was clearly

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: I don't remember making such a claim. What I do remember is you among others claiming that the problem was not (so much) the troll (Nikos) but the others. Count me among those who feel this way. And your last

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread rurpy
unwelcome than by the trolls themselves, such strive will of course attract them. Nothing involving human behavior is totally clear. There are certainly those who advocate responding aggressively to trolls. My impression, supported by the widespread use of the phrase don't feed the troll, along

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:40:15 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On the other hand, the flamers responding to the trolls are regular contributers to the list who presumably do care about keeping the list courteous, respectful, welcoming and enjoyable to participate in. Toward that end, I do not think it

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: if Python had perfect documentation, he still wouldn't read it. If your crystal ball is that good, could you try using it to solve some of Nikos' problems? I have done so, many times. Sometimes it helps, often it doesn't. Once, it led

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Guy Scree nob...@nowhere.com wrote: I recommend that all participants in this thread, especially Alex and Anton, research the term Pathological Altruism I don't intend to buy a book about it, but based on flipping through a few Google results and snippets, I'm

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving you as such. This being Python-list, we duck-type. You don't have to declare that you're a troll, like you would in C; you just react like a troll and we'll treat you as one.

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 17-06-13 19:56, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/17/2013 02:15 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 17-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/16/2013 02:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Yes. Trying to start flame wars with Nikos is unacceptable behaviour. It is unproductive, it makes this a

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 18-06-13 01:02, Steven D'Aprano schreef: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:31:53 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 16-06-13 22:04, Steven D'Aprano schreef: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:16:34 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: You are trying to get it both ways. On the one hand you try to argue that there are no

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Ben Finney
Oscar Benjamin oscar.j.benja...@gmail.com writes: There is a very simple solution used by many mailing lists Yes, that solution is described in RFC 2369: the “List-Post” field in the header of every message sent through the mailing list. which is to set the Reply-To header to point back to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-18, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving you as such. This being Python-list, we duck-type. You don't have to declare that you're a troll, like you would in

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-18, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 17-06-13 19:56, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: I don't see that much change in his style. He just admitted not reading help files (because they are too technical for him). So essentialy he is asking we give him a beginners

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread rurpy
On 06/18/2013 02:22 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 17-06-13 19:56, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/17/2013 02:15 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 17-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/16/2013 02:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Yes. Trying to start flame wars with Nikos is unacceptable

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread rurpy
On 06/18/2013 01:21 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving you as such. This being Python-list, we duck-type. You don't have to declare that you're a troll, like you would in C; you

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-18, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:38:40 + (UTC), Grant Edwards On 2013-06-18, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus supp...@superhost.gr wrote: The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help files and PEP's which seem too technical for me, i prefer the live help of an actual expert human being. This is definitely a reason to feel guilty.

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-06-13 22:04, Steven D'Aprano schreef: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:16:34 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: You are trying to get it both ways. On the one hand you try to argue that there are no boundaries I have never, ever argued that there are no boundaries. I have repeatedly made it clear to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 17-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/16/2013 02:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Yes. Trying to start flame wars with Nikos is unacceptable behaviour. It is unproductive, it makes this a hostile, unpleasant place to be, it ruins the environment for the rest of the community, it's

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 17-06-13 07:04, Ferrous Cranus schreef: On 17/6/2013 6:46 πμ, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: I could be wrong but I don't think Nikos is a pure troll -- someone motivated purely by provoking reaction and discord. He has a real website and his problems with Python seem like genuine problems many

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-15, Chris ???Kwpolska??? Warrick kwpol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you are replying to. In the

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread rurpy
On 06/17/2013 01:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus supp...@superhost.gr wrote: The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help files and PEP's which seem too technical for me, i prefer the live help of an actual expert human being.

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On 15 Jun 2013 15:40:35 GMT Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you are replying to. In the name of all that's good and decent in the world, why on earth would you do

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 15-06-13 21:54, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/15/2013 12:18 PM, rusi wrote: On Jun 15, 10:52 pm, Steven D'Apranosteve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:36:00 -0700, rusi wrote: With you as our spamming-guru, Onward! Sky is the limit! If you're going to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 15-06-13 21:54, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/15/2013 12:18 PM, rusi wrote: On Jun 15, 10:52 pm, Steven D'Apranosteve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.**info comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat,

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Simpleton
On 16/6/2013 9:39 μμ, Antoon Pardon wrote: If nikos's project was a college project we would have told him he has to make his homework himself. This is where you all mistaken. You see, my website could be done ina CMS like (Joomla or Drupal) or even in DreamWeaver. I choosed Python because

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-17, Simpleton supp...@superhost.gr wrote: On 16/6/2013 9:39 , Antoon Pardon wrote: If nikos's project was a college project we would have told him he has to make his homework himself. This is where you all mistaken. You see, my website could be done ina CMS like (Joomla or

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Simpleton
On 17/6/2013 7:14 μμ, Grant Edwards wrote: But failing _isn't_ inevitible. If you take the time to actually learn Python by reading the references people provide, by studying small examples, and by experimenting with Python code, there's no reason why you should fail. I'am and i feel better

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:39:56 + (UTC) Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: I don't want _any_ copies from from Mailman. I don't subscribe to whatever mailing list you're talking about. I'm reading this via an NNTP server. Keep replies in the group or on the list. And that is part

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 17 June 2013 17:35, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:39:56 + (UTC) Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: I don't want _any_ copies from from Mailman. I don't subscribe to whatever mailing list you're talking about. I'm reading this via an NNTP

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Νίκος
On 17/6/2013 8:42 μμ, Oscar Benjamin wrote: On 17 June 2013 17:35, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:39:56 + (UTC) Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: I don't want _any_ copies from from Mailman. I don't subscribe to whatever mailing list you're

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread rurpy
On 06/17/2013 02:15 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 17-06-13 05:46, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 06/16/2013 02:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Yes. Trying to start flame wars with Nikos is unacceptable behaviour. It is unproductive, it makes this a hostile, unpleasant place to be, it ruins the

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Guy Scree
I recommend that all participants in this thread, especially Alex and Anton, research the term Pathological Altruism -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/17/2013 01:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus supp...@superhost.gr wrote: The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help files and PEP's which seem too technical for me,

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 17/06/2013 15:41, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: It is NOT a matter of simply reading the documentation. I have posted here several times as have many others about some of the problems the documentation has, especially for people who don't already know Python. It's extremely easy to change the

Problems with Python documentation [Re: Don't feed the troll...]

2013-06-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:41:54 -0700, rurpy wrote: On 06/17/2013 01:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus supp...@superhost.gr wrote: The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help files and PEP's which seem too technical for me, i

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:31:53 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 16-06-13 22:04, Steven D'Aprano schreef: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:16:34 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: You are trying to get it both ways. On the one hand you try to argue that there are no boundaries I have never, ever argued that

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread rurpy
On 06/17/2013 03:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/17/2013 01:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus supp...@superhost.gr wrote: The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread rurpy
On 06/17/2013 04:22 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 17/06/2013 15:41, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: It is NOT a matter of simply reading the documentation. I have posted here several times as have many others about some of the problems the documentation has, especially for people who don't already know

Re: Problems with Python documentation [Re: Don't feed the troll...]

2013-06-17 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:41:54 -0700, rurpy wrote: On 06/17/2013 01:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus supp...@superhost.gr wrote: The only thing i'm

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-17 Thread alex23
On Jun 18, 2:19 am, Simpleton supp...@superhost.gr wrote: I like things to be put up simple and i'am not trolling this group. I respect this group. There are a number of things you could to do confirm this: 1. Stop changing your name. 2. Stop bumping your threads if no one responds. 3. Stop

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
can. You can stop enabling his behaviour. Now you may think this is an unacceptable option for and that is something you will have to decide for yourself but you do have a choice. Everyone is exasperated and talking of kill-filing him. Then why don't they? Don't feed the troll includes trying

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-16 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:16:34 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: You are trying to get it both ways. On the one hand you try to argue that there are no boundaries I have never, ever argued that there are no boundaries. I have repeatedly made it clear to Nikos when I thought he was behaving

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-16 Thread rurpy
On 06/16/2013 02:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:16:34 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: You are trying to get it both ways. On the one hand you try to argue that there are no boundaries I have never, ever argued that there are no boundaries. I have repeatedly made it

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus
On 17/6/2013 6:46 πμ, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: I could be wrong but I don't think Nikos is a pure troll -- someone motivated purely by provoking reaction and discord. He has a real website and his problems with Python seem like genuine problems many beginners have. He seems to have little

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-16 Thread rusi
On Jun 16, 12:54 am, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: ... killfile him and shut the fuck up. Ok. Advice taken. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Denis McMahon
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:32:56 +0300, Nick the Gr33k wrote: I'mm not trolling man, i just have hard time understanding why numbers acts as strings. It depends on the context. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Zero Piraeus
: On 14 June 2013 08:50, Nick the Gr33k supp...@superhost.gr wrote: So, if i had no interest of actually learning python i would just cut n' paste provided code without worrying what it actually does, since knowing that came form you would be enough to know that works. Worrying what it

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-06-15 03:09, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 15Jun2013 10:42, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: | D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes: | Even for those who do participate by email, though, your approach is | broken: | My answer is simple. Get a proper email system that filters

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Ben Finney
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au writes: On 15Jun2013 10:42, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: | The message sent to the individual typically arrives earlier (since | it is sent straight from you to the individual), and the message on | the forum arrives later (since it typically

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:29:35 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Bah. Plenty of us like both. In the inbox alerts me that someone replied to _my_ post, and in the python mail gets it nicely threaded. Your mail client doesn't alert you to a message addressed to you? Every

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you are replying to. In the name of all that's good and decent in the world, why on earth would you do that when replying to a mailing list??? They're already getting a reply. Sending them TWO

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you are replying to. In the name of all that's good and decent in the world, why on earth would you

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:41:41 +0200 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick kwpol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: In the name of all that's good and decent in the world, why on earth would you do that when replying to a mailing

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:41:41 +0200, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you are replying to. In the

Mailman forwarding (was: Don't feed the troll...)

2013-06-15 Thread W. Trevor King
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 01:07:29PM -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:41:41 +0200 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: In the name of all that's good and decent in the world, why on earth would you do that when replying

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:41:41 +0200 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick kwpol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: In the name of all that's good and

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Nick the Gr33k
On 15/6/2013 7:41 μμ, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you are replying to. In the name of all that's

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread rusi
On Jun 15, 10:30 pm, Nick the Gr33k supp...@superhost.gr wrote: You are spamming my thread. With you as our spamming-guru, Onward! Sky is the limit! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Torrie
On 06/15/2013 11:30 AM, Nick the Gr33k wrote: You are spamming my thread. No he's not. The subject is changed on this branch of the thread, so it's easy to see in any good e-mail reader that this sub-thread or branch is diverting. This is proper list etiquette. --

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:25:21 +0200, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:41:41 +0200 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick kwpol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/06/2013 18:30, Nick the Gr33k wrote: On 15/6/2013 7:41 μμ, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:58:27 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I suggested including the poster that you

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:36:00 -0700, rusi wrote: With you as our spamming-guru, Onward! Sky is the limit! If you're going to continue making unproductive, off-topic, inflammatory posts that prolong these already excessively large threads, Nikos won't be the only one kill-filed. If you have

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Andreas Perstinger
Nick the Gr33k supp...@superhost.gr wrote: You are spamming my thread. Well, you don't own this thread. In fact nobody owns it. This is a public forum and thus anybody can answer to any post as he likes. Bye, Andreas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread rusi
On Jun 15, 10:52 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:36:00 -0700, rusi wrote: With you as our spamming-guru, Onward! Sky is the limit! If you're going to continue making unproductive, off-topic, inflammatory posts that prolong these already

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Nick the Gr33k
On 15/6/2013 8:47 μμ, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I still get two copies if you CC me. That's still unnecessary and rude. If I wanted a copy emailed to me, I'd subscribe via email rather than via news. Whether you agree or not, I'd appreciate if you respect my wishes rather than try to wiggle out of

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
, but there's nothing I can do about it. Everyone is exasperated and talking of kill-filing him. Then why don't they? Don't feed the troll includes trying to beat him into submission with insults and half-witty remarks. This is not about Nikos. It's about those who are also doing their bit

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread rurpy
On 06/15/2013 12:18 PM, rusi wrote: On Jun 15, 10:52 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:36:00 -0700, rusi wrote: With you as our spamming-guru, Onward! Sky is the limit! If you're going to continue making unproductive, off-topic,

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Nick the Gr33k
On 15/6/2013 10:54 μμ, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/15/2013 12:18 PM, rusi wrote: On Jun 15, 10:52 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:36:00 -0700, rusi wrote: With you as our spamming-guru, Onward! Sky is the limit! If you're going to

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread rurpy
On Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:04:31 PM UTC-6, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Thank you ruspy. Don't thank me. You are not contributing in a positive way to the situation. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread alex23
On Jun 16, 5:29 am, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: And others have publicly thanked me for giving useful answers to Nikos, because they have learned from them. I take it you'll also be critical of people on list now saying we don't do your homework for you? Or is

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/06/2013 22:47, alex23 wrote: On Jun 16, 5:29 am, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: And others have publicly thanked me for giving useful answers to Nikos, because they have learned from them. I take it you'll also be critical of people on list now saying we

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:25:21 +0200, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: The source code seems to think otherwise: Mailman is not the only mailing list software in the world, and the feature you are

Re: Don't feed the troll...

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:09:37 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:25:21 +0200, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: The source code seems to think otherwise: Mailman is not the only

CC etiquette for mailing lists (was: Don't feed the troll...)

2013-06-15 Thread W. Trevor King
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:51:04AM +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:09:37 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Mailman is the software that runs python-list@python.org, so this *is* applicable to everyone who reads the mailing list (including myself). The fact that there's

Don't feed the troll... (was: Re: A few questiosn about encoding)

2013-06-14 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am 14.06.2013 10:37, schrieb Nick the Gr33k: So everything we see like: 16474 nikos abc123 everything is a string and nothing is a number? not even number 1? Come on now, this is _so_ obviously trolling, it's not even remotely funny anymore. Why doesn't killfiling work with the mailing list

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