On Feb 5, 10:24 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is.
ditto!
I thought as much.
My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use
for it and no interest in it at all. The status
On 05/02/2011 09:44, flebber wrote:
On Feb 5, 10:24 am, Stephen Hansenme+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is.
ditto!
I thought as much.
My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use
for it and no
On 2011-02-04 13:34:42 -0500, rantingrick said:
I don't care who *that* person is as long as *they* are willing to
push IDLE forward. I would be honored to accept the reigns and lead OR
follow someone else's lead. But we need to receive the old idlefork or
have them delete the old idle fork as
On Feb 3, 7:41 am, Corey Richardson kb1...@aim.com wrote:
On 2/2/2011 2:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Will you be forking IDLE and setting up some sort of tracker for
improvements?
+1 for this.
Enough talk ratingrick where is your feature and request tracker for
your idle fork? How can people
On Feb 3, 11:15 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
If anyone would like to see a good example of how IDLE code should be
written. I highly suggest you check out the source for PyShell and
PyCrust which is located in roughly...
HOME\PythonXX\Lib\site-packages\wx-2.8-msw-ansi\wx\py:
On Feb 4, 3:55 am, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Enough talk ratingrick where is your feature and request tracker for
your idle fork? How can people assist you in your new idle fork
project? What are your stated project goals timeline?
I am ready flebber but we have a problem. An old
On 2/4/11 10:34 AM, rantingrick wrote:
But we need to receive the old idlefork or
have them delete the old idle fork as too much confusion will spread
with when two idleforks exists.
This is nonsense. And probably just another excuse for you to rant
instead of actually doing something of any
On Feb 4, 12:49 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 2/4/11 10:34 AM, rantingrick wrote:
But we need to receive the old idlefork or
have them delete the old idle fork as too much confusion will spread
with when two idleforks exists.
This is nonsense. And probably just
On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is.
ditto!
I thought as much.
My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use
for it and no interest in it at all. The status quo with regards to IDLE
is satisfactory to me.
You're the one talking so
On Feb 2, 9:03 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
last he posted was a year ago!
Wait, I thought you had the approval of the silent majority?
So once anyone actually posts,
On Feb 1, 11:38 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
ultra lame post yawn...
Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be boring. Why? Well
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:29 AM, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:38 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
ultra lame post yawn...
On Feb 3, 4:29 am, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
For an example of a brilliant beginners ide racket has it covered
with DrRackethttp://racket-lang.org/, it has selectable language
levels beginner, intermediate, advanced that allows the learner to
adjust the level of language features
If anyone would like to see a good example of how IDLE code should be
written. I highly suggest you check out the source for PyShell and
PyCrust which is located in roughly...
HOME\PythonXX\Lib\site-packages\wx-2.8-msw-ansi\wx\py:
* shell.py
* crust.py
* filling.py
Also run these scripts to
What does Chopin have to do with IDLE?
And can you put me on your troll group? It looks like a pretty fun
bunch.
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 09:26 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 10:29 am, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
I hope everyone will
excuse me now, I must dash off to
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
category...
py troll_group.append(Red John)
I realize that not agreeing with you is enough
On Feb 2, 12:12 pm, Red John redjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
category...
py
On 2/2/2011 2:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
[snip]
py flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop(Corey Richardson))
Your moving up Corey. Keep up the good work!
I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
py troll_group.append(Red John)
py flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop(Corey Richardson))
Out of interest, what interpretor uses py?
I've never seen any. Just
On 2/1/2011 7:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
On 02/01/2011 07:42 PM, Robert wrote:
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
Perhaps, after the repository moves from svn to hg, some 'we' will.
If he does not, I think I might. Is there a timeline for the move?
Unclear. Many want
On 2/2/2011 1:09 PM Noah Hall said...
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, rantingrickrantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrickrantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
py troll_group.append(Red John)
py flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop(Corey Richardson))
Out of interest, what
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote:
ActivePython 2.6.1.1 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Dec 5 2008, 13:58:38) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
on
win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
import sys
On 2011-02-02 16:11:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
On 2/1/2011 7:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
On 02/01/2011 07:42 PM, Robert wrote:
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
Perhaps, after the repository moves from svn to hg, some 'we' will.
If he does not, I think I might. Is
On Feb 2, 2:41 pm, Corey Richardson kb1...@aim.com wrote:
I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
elaborate on my ideas enough), so be it.
Yes you are correct. When i added you to the troll list
On 2011-01-31, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
RR's postings are generally tossed out by my score file, but after
seeing so many replies, my morbid curiousity finally got the best of
me, and I read (well, mostly)
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:45 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 2, 2:41 pm, Corey Richardson kb1...@aim.com wrote:
I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
elaborate on my
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Well your statment completely ignores the silent majority.
There's a term for people who believe they act with the tacit approval
of the majority: megalomania.
It's also known as narcissistic personality disorder.
No they are trolls and they have
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
last he posted was a year ago!
Wait, I thought you had the approval of the silent majority?
So once anyone actually posts, they lost the right to be counted,
because only when they
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
That is all you have brought to this conversion so far. You have not
offered solutions for IDLE, heck you don't even inject an opinion of
IDLE. You just spew bile. Have fun with your new playmates.
py flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop(Corey
alex23 wrote:
Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
actually care?
Citation: http://goo.gl/LlBFj
Actually, FWIW, not
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Mel mwil...@the-wire.com wrote:
alex23 wrote:
Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 20:01:11 -0800, alex23 wrote:
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
No they are trolls and they have demonstrated trollish behavior on many
occasions. Some have even threatened to kill me. Can you believe that?
No. Link or it did not happen.
Ha ha ha ha, did RR
On Feb 1, 4:39 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has since
degenerated into madness many years
On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
ultra lame post yawn...
Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be boring. Why? Well
because we bathe in them daily. We have come accustomed, acclimated,
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 04:38 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber flebber.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
ultra lame post yawn...
Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be boring.
Even more true of
On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
support Python; move on.
Not exactly. Can we continue to ignore such lackluster and shabby code
in OUR stdlib. Remember the code reflects on all of us!
--
On Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:38:26 AM UTC-4, Richard quot;rantingrickquot;
Johnson wrote:
On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams awil...@whitemice.org wrote:
If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
support Python; move on.
Not exactly. Can we continue to
rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
support Python; move on.
Not exactly. Can we continue to ignore such lackluster and shabby code
in OUR stdlib. Remember the code
Man you're a real comedian. This is a hilarious thread. Keep up the good
work!
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 05:38 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
support Python;
On Feb 1, 8:27 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com
wrote:
In a more serious way, just count the people who second your
prosposition. It's around 0. It is usually a good sign that you're
wrong. This rule kinda applies to anyone, don't take it personnaly.
Well your statment
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
#-- Embedded Trolls and Minions --#
Steven D'Aprano(smart and witty (annoying) troll)
Stephan Hansen (controversy troll)
Ben Finny (haughty troll)
alex23(angry/dangerous troll)
Tyler Littlefeild(confused troll)
Bryan ?
On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzerk...@codebykevin.com wrote:
Rick,
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great learning
resource for Tkinter GUI's and other subjects.
On Feb 1, 9:26 am, Noah Hall enali...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
#-- Embedded Trolls and Minions --#
Steven D'Aprano(smart and witty (annoying) troll)
Stephan Hansen (controversy troll)
Ben Finny (haughty troll)
On 2/1/11 10:54 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
Maybe Kevin would help a bit.
Probably not--IDLE is good enough for my needs. I've submitted some
(rather extensive) patches for things that annoyed me and got in my way,
and they eventually made it in. (The classic open source
pathway--scratching my
On Feb 1, 9:54 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzerk...@codebykevin.com wrote:
Rick,
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a
See now you are offering truth in your argument! Keep this up and i'll
move you over to the occasional flamers group. Then over time, if you
can demonstrate an ability to engage in lively discussion based on
facts and not emotion, i *may* even move you into the moderates group.
O no, whatever
On Feb 1, 10:29 am, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
I hope everyone will
excuse me now, I must dash off to slit my wrists in a tub of warm water
and listen to Free Bird,
Free Bird! hmm, I would have chosen Chopin's nocturne 48-1 or 72-1 if
i was feeling rather melancholy at the
On Feb 1, 10:26 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 10:29 am, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
I hope everyone will
excuse me now, I must dash off to slit my wrists in a tub of warm water
and listen to Free Bird,
Free Bird! hmm, I would have chosen
On 2011-02-01 00:13:06 -0500, rantingrick said:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great learning
resource for Tkinter GUI's and other subjects.
On Feb 1, 11:52 am, Red John redjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is saying
something because I used to frequent 4chan.
Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this
rantingrick wrote:
Terry (or anyone) can you give some link to info on hg
so i can study up on this topic ?
http://mercurial.selenic.com/
--
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Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona
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In the grand scope of things...you're all boring.
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On 2/1/2011 11:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Well the best attribute of IDLE is backward compatibility -- there is
none to worry about. IDLE is not a module with an interface, it's just
a tool. So we could change anything we want without worry of causing
code breakage. There is not good reason NOT
On 1/31/2011 2:17 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE...
The future of playing with Python is probably Python in a browser
window, of which there are several implementations. If you're doing
anything serious, you're using a
On Feb 1, 1:35 pm, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote:
On 1/31/2011 2:17 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE...
The future of playing with Python is probably Python in a browser
window, of which there are several implementations.
Hello
On 02/01/2011 03:05 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:35 pm, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote:
On 1/31/2011 2:17 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE...
The future of playing with Python is probably Python in a browser
window, of which
On Feb 2, 4:14 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 8:27 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com
wrote:
In a more serious way, just count the people who second your
prosposition. It's around 0. It is usually a good sign that you're
wrong. This rule kinda applies
On 02/01/2011 08:26 AM, Noah Hall wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
#-- Embedded Trolls and Minions --#
These people, including myself, aren't trolls nor minions. They just
don't agree with you.
I strongly disagree with rr and find him to be an
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzerk...@codebykevin.com wrote:
Rick,
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great
On 02/01/2011 07:42 PM, Robert wrote:
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzerk...@codebykevin.com wrote:
Rick,
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact
On Jan 31, 9:39 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
IDLE: cornucopia
...
These are just the top of the list. The peak of a huge iceberg that
threatens to sink the community in the arms of chaos never to return.
That being said, I've taught a lot of people Python using IDLE.
It's a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5jKMEB4hHE
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 10:23 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:52 am, Red John redjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is saying
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has since
degenerated into madness many years ago and remains now as the shining
jewel show piece on the
On Jan 31, 11:39 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
In my original post i showed this code
#-- Puesdo Code --#
# in editor window __init__
self.autocomplete = AutoComplete(blah)
# in editor window onKeyPress(blah)
if key == 'Tab' and blah:
However we cannot blame the current maintainer...
You seem to still not know who -we- is. rewrite your message using I in place
of we, and you'll be on the right track.
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PLEASE KINDLY IGNORE MY FIRST TWO POSTS:
Due to some errors i need to repost.
Thank you.
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has since
So what you're actually telling is that Python won't survive another
10 years because:
- IDLE is it's default editor
- idlelib directory is the first place you should look every time you
need an inspiration on how code should be written
- code in idlelib directory sucks
That's an interesting
On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, Giampaolo Rodolà g.rod...@gmail.com wrote:
So what you're actually telling is that Python won't survive another
10 years because:
- IDLE is it's default editor
Well not solely because IDLE is the default editor. IDLE is very
useful to newcommers and could be made even more
On 2011-01-31 15:19:44 -0500, rantingrick said:
On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, Giampaolo Rodolà g.rod...@gmail.com wrote:
So what you're actually telling is that Python won't survive another
10 years because:
- IDLE is it's default editor
Well not solely because IDLE is the default editor. IDLE is
Rick,
I've spent a fair amount of time in the IDLE source tree, putting
together patches for various Mac-specific bugs and submitting them to
the Python tracker, and I agree the code is crufty and disorganized. It
is certainly not an example of current best practices in Tkinter
development.
On 2011-01-31 17:17:06 -0500, Kevin Walzer said:
It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE, and I
think the scope of such a project would be much easier for a single
person to manage than would replacing Tkinter in the stdlib with another
GUI toolkit, such as wxPython,
alias idle='vim'
: D
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 09:39 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has since
degenerated into
On 1/31/11 10:12 AM, rantingrick wrote:
-- rr: disappointed and annoyed!
tl;dr
You did this one before, I swear.
You're running out of material.
--
Stephen Hansen
... Also: Ixokai
... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io
... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/
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2011/1/31 rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com:
In an ideal world it should be the first place you look when wanting
to learn how to build medium sized GUI projects with the built-in
Tkinter module.
I wouldn't do that, and thankfully in the *real* world what is
considered more important usually
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
Rick,
I've spent a fair amount of time in the IDLE source tree, putting
together patches for various Mac-specific bugs and submitting them to
the Python tracker, and I agree the code is crufty and disorganized. It
is certainly not
On Jan 31, 4:38 pm, Robert sigz...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it would be interesting as well. H, I am about to do the
O'Reilly series that Steve Holden did for Python.
Did you see the video Steve Holden did with Trish Gray? Just for fun
fast forward to 0:03:30. Just as Trish comments about
On Jan 31, 9:24 pm, Giampaolo Rodolà g.rod...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually I don't even understand how can IDLE source code quality have
anything to do with python success or future adoption, as you implied
in your statements.
Well thats because you are not looking at this from the correct
On 1/31/11 9:26 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Oh, and Trish, if you are out there and you would like a personal
introduction to Python programming i would be very happy to give you
some very, very, private lessons using my python...
.
.
.
.
.
interpretor. *wink*
;-)
You are disgusting.
On Feb 1, 1:35 am, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote:
However, even the parts of the standard library written in pure Python
don't seem to be getting read anymore, so I'm still inclined to
attribute the issue to 1) inconvenient placement of source code,
2) a largish code base, and 3)
On Feb 1, 11:14 am, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:35 am, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote:
snipped
O O wrong thread... sorry!
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