Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-06, Damjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> PyQt and PySDL are AFAIK not much "less weight". >> >> They don't use X11. That's a _lot_ "less weight". > > Do you mean the X11 server or the libraries? Both. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Bo Derek ruined

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-06 Thread Damjan
>> PyQt and PySDL are AFAIK not much "less weight". > > They don't use X11. That's a _lot_ "less weight". Do you mean the X11 server or the libraries? The kdrive server should be fairly small (depending on features). I think it builds from the main xorg source today?? Isn't that what maemo uses.

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-05, Chris Mellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes, it's "modern" enough to run Linux/X11 -- horsepower-wise >> it's sort of in the PDA class of devices. wxWidgets has been >> tried, but it's pretty sluggish. Hence the search for >> something a little lighter weight. Using Python is p

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-05 Thread Chris Mellon
On Nov 3, 2007 6:06 PM, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-11-03, David Bolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> I'm looking for GUI toolkits that work with directly with the > >> Linux frambuffer (no X11). It's an embedded device with

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-04, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So far, I've found two options that will work without X11: >> >> 1) QTopia (nee QT/Embedded). I assume that I can probably get >> PyQT to work with the embedded version of QT? >> >> 2) PySDL or PyGame. > > We did a similar p

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-04 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm looking for GUI toolkits that work with directly with the > Linux frambuffer (no X11). It's an embedded device with > limited resources, and getting X out of the picture would be a > big plus. > > The toolkit needs to be free and open-source. >

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-04, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> and wxPython is just a wrapper. >> >> Yes, I know. If we though Python was the problem, I wouldn't >> be asking about other toolkits that had Python bindings. > > Ah, you know more than you wrote? If you've done measurements, > I'

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-04, Paul Rubin wrote: > Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There is no mouse. I'm not sure how many "widgets" are >> required. Probably not very many. > > Back in the old days there were some lightweight toolkits for > doing text mode GUI's using ANSI graphic characters for

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-04 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2007-11-04, Bjoern Schliessmann >> Erm, wxWidgets is implemented in C++ > > Are you saying C++ software can't be large and slow? No, but wxWidgets is quite mature and my experience is that it's faster than Qt (partly, I think, because it always uses the native widgets).

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread Paul Rubin
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is no mouse. I'm not sure how many "widgets" are > required. Probably not very many. Back in the old days there were some lightweight toolkits for doing text mode GUI's using ANSI graphic characters for MS-DOS. I did a few of them. You could do

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread David Boddie
On Sun Nov 4 03:22:27 CET 2007, Grant Edwards wrote: > I think we're definitely going to try to evaluate Qtopia on our > platform to see if it's any quicker and smaller than > wxWidgets/GTK+/X11. I guess that evaluation doesn't need to > use Python -- in theory we sould be able to compare perform

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-04, David Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 1) QTopia (nee QT/Embedded). I assume that I can probably get >> PyQT to work with the embedded version of QT? > > Qtopia Core (formerly known as Qt/Embedded) should be fairly > painless to get working, though the embedded-specific fe

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-04, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >> Yes, it's "modern" enough to run Linux/X11 -- horsepower-wise >> it's sort of in the PDA class of devices. wxWidgets has been >> tried, but it's pretty sluggish. Hence the search for something >> a littler ligh

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread David Boddie
On Sat Nov 3 20:45:54 CET 2007, Grant Edwards wrote: > I'm looking for GUI toolkits that work with directly with the > Linux frambuffer (no X11). It's an embedded device with > limited resources, and getting X out of the picture would be a > big plus. > > The toolkit needs to be free and open-so

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Grant Edwards wrote: > Yes, it's "modern" enough to run Linux/X11 -- horsepower-wise > it's sort of in the PDA class of devices. wxWidgets has been > tried, but it's pretty sluggish. Hence the search for something > a littler lighter weight. Erm, wxWidgets is implemented in C++ and wxPython is j

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-11-03, David Bolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I'm looking for GUI toolkits that work with directly with the >> Linux frambuffer (no X11). It's an embedded device with >> limited resources, and getting X out of the picture would be a >> big p

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread David Bolen
David Bolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When I was looking for an embedded graphics library for a prior > platform (ELAN 486, 2MB flash, 6MB RAM) under DOS, we took a look at > these: > > * GRX (http://grx.gnu.de/index.html) (...) > There aren't any Python wrappers for GRX, but the library is

Re: Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread David Bolen
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm looking for GUI toolkits that work with directly with the > Linux frambuffer (no X11). It's an embedded device with > limited resources, and getting X out of the picture would be a > big plus. Sounds like a reasonably modern "embedded" system since

Low-overhead GUI toolkit for Linux w/o X11?

2007-11-03 Thread Grant Edwards
I'm looking for GUI toolkits that work with directly with the Linux frambuffer (no X11). It's an embedded device with limited resources, and getting X out of the picture would be a big plus. The toolkit needs to be free and open-source. So far, I've found two options that will work without X11: