On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 12:57:34 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rustom Mody :
Some rambly ruminations on switchable (aka firstclass) syntax
http://blog.languager.org/2015/04/poverty-universality-structure-0.html
I'll ruminate in response:
Thanks for a connoisseur review
First
In article d7f4c401-253a-4826-b018-7e84abb08...@googlegroups.com,
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 4:00:16 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Monday 20 April 2015 12:43, Rustom Mody wrote:
You've a 10-file python project in which you want to replace
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com:
Some rambly ruminations on switchable (aka firstclass) syntax
http://blog.languager.org/2015/04/poverty-universality-structure-0.html
I'll ruminate in response:
* The awesomeness of lisp is in lambda calculus and not in macros.
* Lisp syntax is actually
On 04/24/2015 01:31 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 16/04/2015 15:52, Blake McBride wrote:
So, Python may be a cute language for you to use as an individual, but it
is unwieldy in a real development environment.
First paragraph from
On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 10:36:13 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
Some rambly ruminations on switchable (aka firstclass) syntax
On 16/04/2015 15:52, Blake McBride wrote:
So, Python may be a cute language for you to use as an individual, but it is
unwieldy in a real development environment.
First paragraph from
http://www.talkpythontome.com/episodes/show/4/enterprise-python-and-large-scale-projects
quote
Mahmoud
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 9:35:34 AM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 8:12:07 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 3:05:57 AM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
If only
On 22/04/2015 12:37, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 9:35:34 AM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 8:12:07 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 3:05:57 AM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:49:34 AM
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 9:01:08 PM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 7:09:02 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
let me spell it out:
Prestige of Aristotle stymies progress of physics of 2 millennia
likewise
Prestige of Unix development environment keeps us
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 7:09:02 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
let me spell it out:
Prestige of Aristotle stymies progress of physics of 2 millennia
likewise
Prestige of Unix development environment keeps us stuck with text files when
the world has moved on
Difference is, Aristotle
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 3:05:57 AM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
If only Galileo had had you as lawyer...
Well, I'd asked Giordano Bruno for a positive recommendation. For some
inexplicable reason, he declined.
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 8:12:07 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 3:05:57 AM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
If only Galileo had had you as lawyer...
Well, I'd asked Giordano Bruno for a
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 9:01:08 PM UTC+5:30, llanitedave wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 7:09:02 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote:
let me spell it out:
Prestige of Aristotle stymies progress of physics of 2
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 9:14:23 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
I definitely don't see how a non-text source code format would improve
on it. Feel like elaborating?
You are putting emphasis on the 'non'. This puts you into an oscillatory system
between tautology and contradiction:
How
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 4:00:16 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Monday 20 April 2015 12:43, Rustom Mody wrote:
You've a 10-file python project in which you want to replace function 'f'
by function 'longname'
How easy is it?
About a thousand times easier than the
On 20/04/2015 11:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Monday 20 April 2015 12:43, Rustom Mody wrote:
You've a 10-file python project in which you want to replace function 'f'
by function 'longname'
How easy is it?
About a thousand times easier than the corresponding situation:
You have ten PDF
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Wheels have been round for thousands of years! Why can't we
try something modern, like triangular wheels?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuleaux_triangle
http://blog.geomblog.org/2004/04/square-wheels.html
--
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I work in research and mainly use Fortran and Python.
I haven't had any problem with the python indentation. I like it, I find it
simple and easy.
Well, sometimes I may forget to close an IF block with an ENDIF, in Fortran, so
used I am on ending a block just decreasing the indentation, not a
On Monday 20 April 2015 18:38, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Wheels have been round for thousands of years! Why can't we
try something modern, like triangular wheels?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuleaux_triangle
http://blog.geomblog.org/2004/04/square-wheels.html
I
On Monday 20 April 2015 12:43, Rustom Mody wrote:
You've a 10-file python project in which you want to replace function 'f'
by function 'longname'
How easy is it?
About a thousand times easier than the corresponding situation:
You have ten PDF files in which you want to replace the word f
On 04/19/2015 07:38 AM, BartC wrote:
Perhaps you don't understand what I'm getting at.
Suppose there were just two syntaxes: C-like and Python-like (we'll put
aside for a minute the question of what format is used to store Python
source code).
Why shouldn't A configure his editor to
On 18/04/2015 03:22, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 6:49:30 AM UTC+5:30, Dan Sommers wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:05:52 +0100, BartC wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
On 19/04/2015 13:59, Ben Finney wrote:
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
Why shouldn't A configure his editor to display a Python program in
C-like syntax, and B configure their editor to use Python-like tabbed
syntax?
I don't recall anyone saying that *shouldn't* be done. Feel free to
make, and
On 18/04/2015 03:22, Ben Finney wrote:
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
Which people's personal preferences? Are these the same people who have
such passionate
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:38 pm, BartC wrote:
Suppose there were just two syntaxes: C-like and Python-like (we'll put
aside for a minute the question of what format is used to store Python
source code).
Why shouldn't A configure his editor to display a Python program in
C-like syntax, and B
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:44 pm, BartC wrote:
When I sometimes want to code in Python, why can't I used my usual syntax?
When I go to China, why doesn't everyone speak English for my convenience?
I'll tell you what. When you convince the makers of C compilers to support
Python syntax as an
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
Why shouldn't A configure his editor to display a Python program in
C-like syntax, and B configure their editor to use Python-like tabbed
syntax?
I don't recall anyone saying that *shouldn't* be done. Feel free to
make, and maintain and support and propagate and
On 19/04/2015 13:59, Ben Finney wrote:
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
Why shouldn't A configure his editor to display a Python program in
C-like syntax, and B configure their editor to use Python-like tabbed
syntax?
I don't recall anyone saying that *shouldn't* be done. Feel free to
make, and
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:03:23 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
Now if Thomson and Ritchie (yeah thems the guys) could do it in 1970,
why cant we revamp this 45-year old archaic program=textfile system
today?
Dunno. Why not? There's half of you right there.
--
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Dan Sommers d...@tombstonezero.net wrote:
IMO, until git's successor tracks content-_not_-delimited-by-linefeeds,
languages will continue to work that way.
Linefeeds are nothing to git - it tracks the entire content of the
file. When you ask to see the diff
Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com:
On 04/18/2015 01:00 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
It would be possible to define a canonical AST storage format. Then,
your editor could incarnate the AST in the syntax of your choosing.
As was just mentioned in another part of the thread, what you're
On 04/19/2015 05:42 PM, BartC wrote:
So I'm aware of some of the things that are involved.
(BTW that project worked reasonably well, but I decided to go in a
different direction: turning J from a mere syntax into an actual language
of its own.)
Something you might try with your new
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
I used actual languages Python and C in my example, I should have used
A and B or something.
If you had, then the topic drifts so far from being relevant to a Python
programming forum that I'd ask you to stop.
Perhaps that should have happened much sooner.
--
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:38 pm, BartC wrote:
(I think much of the problem that most languages are intimately
associated with their specific syntax, so that people can't see past it
to what the code is actually saying. a=b, a:=b, b=a, (setf a b),
whatever the syntax is, who cares? We just want
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 03:53:08 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:03 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
Well evidently some people did but fortunately their managers did not
interfere.
You are assuming they had managers. University life isn't exactly the
same as corporate culture.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:03 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 8:45:27 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
Description of the task of first-classing syntax snipped
I suspect you'll find the task fundamentally hard.
How hard?
Lets see.
Two guys wanted to write an OS.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:03:23 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
Now if Thomson and Ritchie (yeah thems the guys) could do it in 1970,
why cant we revamp this 45-year old archaic program=textfile system
today?
Revamp? What's to revamp?
C, C++, C#, Java, FORTRAN, Python, Perl, Ruby, POSIX shells,
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
You might be interested in the Coffeescript model
You'll notice that Coffeescript isn't a mere preprocessor or source code
transformation.
I like Purescript (purescript.org) better than Coffeescript, but either
way, I don't see
On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 11:06:28 PM UTC+8, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 16/04/2015 15:52, Blake McBride wrote:
So, Python may be a cute language for you to use as an individual, but it
is unwieldy in a real development environment.
Thanks for this, one of the funniest comments I've
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:11:13 AM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Michael Torrie:
On 04/18/2015 01:00 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
It would be possible to define a canonical AST storage format. Then,
your editor could incarnate the AST in the syntax of your choosing.
As was just
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 11:23:20 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Programmers use source code as text for the same reason that wheels are
still round. Wheels have been round for thousands of years! Why can't we
try something modern, like triangular wheels? Or something fractal in
On 20/04/2015 03:08, Rustom Mody wrote:
Prestige of Unix development environment keeps us stuck with text files when
the world has moved on
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
The key thing to make this work is that the tab needs to be a reasonably solid
non-leaky abstraction for denoting an indent.
As soon as you allow both tabs and spaces all the interminable bikeshedding
starts
Whatever
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 11:38:45 PM UTC+5:30, Dan Sommers wrote:
What's to revamp? My IDE is UNIX.
Precisely my point: source-file = text-file is centerstage of Unix philosophy
If you want to start by questioning that, you must question not merely the
language (python or whatever) but
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Prestige of Unix development environment keeps us stuck with text files when
the world has moved on
And what, pray, would we gain by using non-text source code? Aside
from binding ourselves to a set of tools, which would
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 06:41 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Lisp has a noncanonical textual representation just like Python.
Python has a noncanonical textual representation?
What is a noncanonical textual representation, and where can I see some?
--
Steven
--
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 06:41 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Lisp has a noncanonical textual representation just like Python.
Python has a noncanonical textual representation?
What is a noncanonical textual
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
If you have a ten-file project that's identifying a key function
globally as 'f', then you already have a problem. If your names are
more useful and informative, a global search-and-replace will do the
job.
Are you
On 20/04/2015 00:59, Ben Finney wrote:
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
I used actual languages Python and C in my example, I should have used
A and B or something.
If you had, then the topic drifts so far from being relevant to a Python
programming forum that I'd ask you to stop.
Perhaps that
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 04:07 am, Dan Sommers wrote:
Smalltalk, Forth, and LISP don't follow the program=textfile system
(although LISP can, and does sometimes);
Correct, and the fact that they wrapped code and environment into a
completely opaque image was a major factor in their decline in
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 7:54:37 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Prestige of Unix development environment keeps us stuck with text files when
the world has moved on
And what, pray, would we gain by using non-text source code?
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 8:34:12 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
The key thing to make this work is that the tab needs to be a reasonably
solid
non-leaky abstraction for denoting an indent.
As soon as you allow both tabs and
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 06:41 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python has a noncanonical textual representation?
What is a noncanonical textual representation, and where can I
On 04/18/2015 01:00 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au:
If you only write programs that will only ever be read by you and
no-one else, feel free to maintain a fork of Python (or any other
language) that suits your personal preferences.
It would be possible to
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 5:15:07 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote:
On 18/04/2015 03:22, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 6:49:30 AM UTC+5:30, Dan Sommers wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:05:52 +0100, BartC wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:38 PM, BartC b...@freeuk.com wrote:
Suppose there were just two syntaxes: C-like and Python-like (we'll put
aside for a minute the question of what format is used to store Python
source code).
Why shouldn't A configure his editor to display a Python program in C-like
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 8:45:27 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
Description of the task of first-classing syntax snipped
I suspect you'll find the task fundamentally hard.
How hard?
Lets see.
Two guys wanted to write an OS.
Seeing current languages not upto their standard they first
On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 12:30:49 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ben Finney :
If you only write programs that will only ever be read by you and
no-one else, feel free to maintain a fork of Python (or any other
language) that suits your personal preferences.
It would be
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com:
It would be possible to define a canonical AST storage format. Then,
your editor could incarnate the AST in the syntax of your choosing.
[...]
Things like comments are a headache -- they have to be shoved into the
AST rather artificially
I don't think
Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com:
There was a version of Python (compatible at a bytecode level) that did
implement braces for blocks. It was called pythonb, but it is now
defunct, understandably for lack of interest.
URL: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/01/parrot.htm
LW: Sure. I'd
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au:
If you only write programs that will only ever be read by you and
no-one else, feel free to maintain a fork of Python (or any other
language) that suits your personal preferences.
It would be possible to define a canonical AST storage format. Then,
your
Op 16-04-15 om 19:10 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 08:51 pm, BartC wrote:
On 16/04/2015 06:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2015 14:07, Blake McBride wrote:
Is there a utility that will allow me to write Python-like code that
includes some block delimiter that I
On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 10:06:13 AM UTC-7, BartC wrote:
On 17/04/2015 17:28, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-04-17, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it may be that people recognized that you likely had made up
your mind already, and posted accordingly.
I think most
On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 10:36:13 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
Mess in programming syntax is because of html:
On 17/04/2015 17:28, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-04-17, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it may be that people recognized that you likely had made up
your mind already, and posted accordingly.
I think most of us just assumed he was just trolling and were playing
along for
On 2015-04-17, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/16/2015 08:52 AM, Blake McBride wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I especially like the Pike pointer.
To be clear:
[troll bait elided]
While it appears that you had already made up your mind about the
matter long before
On 04/16/2015 08:52 AM, Blake McBride wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I especially like the Pike pointer.
To be clear:
1. I don't think languages should depend on invisible elements to
determine logic.
2. Having been an employer, it is difficult to force programmers to
use any
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:05 AM, BartC b...@freeuk.com wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have switchable
syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
Why do it? What's the advantage of calling two different syntaxes one
language? Simpler to just
sohcahto...@gmail.com:
Can someone still write ugly code in Python? No doubt about it. But at
least code blocks will be easily deciphered.
That's how I was originally convinced about Python: a coworker with a
terrible C++ handwriting produced neat, legible code in Python.
I'm still slightly
On 04/17/2015 07:22 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
Which people's personal preferences? Are these the same people who have
such
On 04/17/2015 11:05 AM, BartC wrote:
He wanted to know if there was a simple syntax wrapper for it. That
seems reasonable enough.
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
There was a version of
BartC b...@freeuk.com writes:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
Which people's personal preferences? Are these the same people who have
such passionate disagreement about tabs versus spaces?
If
On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 6:49:30 AM UTC+5:30, Dan Sommers wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:05:52 +0100, BartC wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
You want LISP, the programmable
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:05:52 +0100, BartC wrote:
(Actually *I* would quite like to know why languages don't have
switchable syntax anyway to allow for people's personal preferences.)
You want LISP, the programmable programming language.
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Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
I'm aware that Coffeescript provides a brace-free wrapper around Javascript;
I'm not aware of any wrapper that *adds* braces to a language without them.
You're not old enough to remember Ratfor ;-)
--
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 21:07:45 -0700, Blake McBride wrote:
Greetings,
I am new to Python. I am sorry for beating what is probably a dead
horse but I checked the net and couldn't find the answer to my question.
I like a lot of what I've seen in Python, however, after 35 years and
probably
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
On 04/16/2015 09:46 AM, alister wrote:
what I find strange is that although these programmers initially disliked
forced indentation they were voluntarily indenting there existing code
anyway. Take a look at
On 04/16/2015 11:34 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
On 04/16/2015 09:46 AM, alister wrote:
what I find strange is that although these programmers initially disliked
forced indentation they were voluntarily indenting
On 04/16/2015 09:46 AM, alister wrote:
what I find strange is that although these programmers initially disliked
forced indentation they were voluntarily indenting there existing code
anyway. Take a look at your existing code base see if this would indeed
be the case.
The problem is that
On 04/16/2015 06:07 AM, Blake McBride wrote:
Greetings,
I am new to Python. I am sorry for beating what is probably a dead horse but
I checked the net and couldn't find the answer to my question.
I like a lot of what I've seen in Python, however, after 35 years and
probably a dozen
On 04/16/2015 12:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2015 20:09, Antoon Pardon wrote:
I beg to differ. The most common occurence is a loop with a break
condition in the middle I would prefer such a loop to be written as
follows:
repeat:
some
code
break_when
On 16/04/2015 06:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2015 14:07, Blake McBride wrote:
Is there a utility that will allow me to write Python-like code that
includes some block delimiter that I can see, that converts the code into
runnable Python code? If so, where can I find it?
On Thursday 16 April 2015 20:09, Antoon Pardon wrote:
I beg to differ. The most common occurence is a loop with a break
condition in the middle I would prefer such a loop to be written as
follows:
repeat:
some
code
break_when condition:
more
code
That structure makes
On 16/04/2015 05:07, Blake McBride wrote:
Greetings,
I am new to Python. I am sorry for beating what is probably a dead horse but I
checked the net and couldn't find the answer to my question.
I like a lot of what I've seen in Python, however, after 35 years and probably
a dozen languages
On 16/04/2015 14:18, alister wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:07:22 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
Nobody is argueing for arbitrary indentation.
May I suggest that you give it a try for a month, perhaps re-writing a
small program you already have in a pythonic style (don't simply write c
in
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:18 PM, alister
alister.nospam.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
be warned you may find it creates (or increases ) an extreme dislike for
C other languages that require braces semicolons, it did for me
(especially the semi-colon!)
I'd just like to add to this that the lack
On 04/16/2015 03:41 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
The case of a loop structure with its condition in the middle is one
that few languages support, so the physical structure has to be
something like:
goto middle
while not condition:
more code
label middle
some code
or
while
Thanks for all the responses. I especially like the Pike pointer. To be clear:
1. I don't think languages should depend on invisible elements to determine
logic.
2. Having been an employer, it is difficult to force programmers to use any
particular editor or style. Different editors
As a side note, I bought a few books on Python from Amazon for use on my
Kindle. At least one of the books has the formatting for the Kindle messed up
rendering the meaning of the program useless.
Case in point.
Blake
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On 16/04/2015 15:52, Blake McBride wrote:
So, Python may be a cute language for you to use as an individual, but it is
unwieldy in a real development environment.
Thanks for this, one of the funniest comments I've read here in years.
It's good to see that new people share the humourous
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Blake McBride blake1...@gmail.com wrote:
2. Having been an employer, it is difficult to force programmers to use any
particular editor or style. Different editors handle tabs and spaces
differently. This is all a bloody nightmare with Python.
3.
On 04/16/2015 07:52 AM, Blake McBride wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I especially like the Pike pointer.
To be clear:
1. I don't think languages should depend on invisible elements to
determine logic.
2. Having been an employer, it is difficult to force programmers to
use any
On 2015-04-16, Blake McBride blake1...@gmail.com wrote:
2. Having been an employer, it is difficult to force programmers to
use any particular editor or style. Different editors handle tabs
and spaces differently. This is all a bloody nightmare with Python.
3. Languages that use braces
On 2015-04-16, Blake McBride blake1...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I especially like the Pike pointer.
To be clear:
1. I don't think languages should depend on invisible elements to
determine logic.
I had the same attitude when I first tried Python 15 years ago.
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 08:51 pm, BartC wrote:
On 16/04/2015 06:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2015 14:07, Blake McBride wrote:
Is there a utility that will allow me to write Python-like code that
includes some block delimiter that I can see, that converts the code
into
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:07:22 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
On 04/16/2015 12:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2015 20:09, Antoon Pardon wrote:
I beg to differ. The most common occurence is a loop with a break
condition in the middle I would prefer such a loop to be written as
On 16/04/2015 05:07, Blake McBride wrote:
Greetings,
I am new to Python. I am sorry for beating what is probably a dead horse but I
checked the net and couldn't find the answer to my question.
I like a lot of what I've seen in Python, however, after 35 years and probably
a dozen languages
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
On 04/16/2015 12:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2015 20:09, Antoon Pardon wrote:
I beg to differ. The most common occurence is a loop with a break
condition in the middle I would prefer such
On 04/16/2015 03:18 PM, alister wrote:
As is argueing against a real position instead of making something up.
Nobody is argueing for arbitrary indentation.
May I suggest that you give it a try for a month, perhaps re-writing a
small program you already have in a pythonic style (don't simply
On Apr 16, 2015, at 2:11 AM, Paul Rubin no.email@nospam.invalid wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
I'm aware that Coffeescript provides a brace-free wrapper around Javascript;
I'm not aware of any wrapper that *adds* braces to a language without them.
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