Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-26 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 26, 2:50 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > Hmm, I wonder how you go about adopting that policy... oh! I know! By > fighting each bully on a case-by-case basis! Funny though, you just > said that won't work. It's a two-pronged solution Chris. Compound. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: >  1. you could fight each bully on a case by case bases. >  2. you could empower people to fight bullies as a united group. > > Adopt a public policy that bullying will NOT be > allowed and the perp WILL be punished, and bulling disappears > fo

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-26 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 26, 6:44 am, Albert van der Horst wrote: > I don't blame them for the attitude of "live to fight another day" > or even for plain survival. If the Jews hadn't allow themselves > to be subjected, there would be no Jews. And may i borrow your time machine now that you are finished researchin

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-26 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article <40af8461-1583-4496-9d81-d52d6905d...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Rick Johnson wrote: >Because the Jews allowed themselves to be subjected. Sad, but true. Actually Jew stands for (relative) coward. Let me explain. Jew comes from Juda, one of the 12 tribes. At some time Israel was s

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-26 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article , Rick Johnson wrote: >On Feb 18, 1:28=A0am, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Rick Johnson > > >> If I were to [sum my tax burden], it would >> probably come to around 30%, which still doesn't bother me, in part >> because I know that it comes back to benefit the s

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-18 Thread random joe
On Feb 18, 12:34 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > Louie-the-loose-screw Said: "I'll give you $15 if you'll give me $15!" $15 dolla too beau coup! 5 dolla each! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-18 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 18, 10:15 am, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 18/02/2012 15:02, Rick Johnson wrote: > > > But do you think you'll get a higher return for your investment? Is it > > possible to get a higher return on your investment in this type of > > system? NO! You better off just paying for your own damn heal

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-18 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 18/02/2012 15:02, Rick Johnson wrote: But do you think you'll get a higher return for your investment? Is it possible to get a higher return on your investment in this type of system? NO! You better off just paying for your own damn healthcare. I guess you'd better get wikipedia to correct

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-18 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 18, 1:28 am, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Rick Johnson > If I were to [sum my tax burden], it would > probably come to around 30%, which still doesn't bother me, in part > because I know that it comes back to benefit the society I live in, > and by extension me, in

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-18 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2/18/2012 2:28 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: Here's a neat table: government spending as a percentage of GDP, by country. http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html The table is for "national government spending". That means spending by the national government.

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Ian Kelly > wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rick Johnson >> I make a middle-class income and do not feel that I am anywhere near >> being "enslaved" by my income taxes, which amount to less than 1

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 18/02/2012 02:13, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: Here is a list of taxes most everyone else will encounter: You forgot the Microsoft Tax and the Stupid Tax. ChrisA This is what I call a tax, some two miles from my home. http://www.bbc.co.uk

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Here is a list of taxes most everyone else will encounter: You forgot the Microsoft Tax and the Stupid Tax. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-17 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 13, 7:37 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Rick Johnson > > wrote: > > # Py>=3.0 > > py> sum(earner.get_income(2012) for earner in earners2012) / > > len(earners2012) > > average_income > > > Once you exceed that amount you are robbing your fellow man. How can >

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-17 Thread Rick Johnson
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rick Johnson > I make a middle-class income and do not feel that I am anywhere near > being "enslaved" by my income taxes, which amount to less than 10% of > my gross income after deductions and credits. Ten per

RE: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-17 Thread Prasad, Ramit
>> They also don't need to put up with people who aren't seriously ill - I >> don't know how long your private appointments are, but here in the UK a >> standard doctor's appointment is 5-10 minutes. If they decide you're >> actually ill they may extend that. >Five to ten minutes? Is the doctor an

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > I have PROVEN that when people FIGHT back, they will NOT be subjects > to tyranny; race has NOTHING to do with it. I gave one example in > history where people would rather die than be subjected to tyranny, > there are many more. "GIVE ME FREE

Re: Kill files [was Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]]

2012-02-15 Thread Ethan Furman
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:34 +, Duncan Booth wrote: Actually, I thought it was a bit weird that I saw ChrisA's comment but not the message he was commenting on until I went and looked for it. I read this group on a couple of machines and it looks like Rick's killfile

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/02/2012 16:27, Rick Johnson wrote: On Feb 15, 9:18 am, Mark Lawrence wrote: As you didn't answer my question from some days back I'll ask it agin. Please explain why previously healthy people get struck down with Common Fatigue Syndrome amongst other things. Why do you seek my counsel r

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 15, 9:18 am, Mark Lawrence wrote: > As you didn't answer my question from some days back I'll ask it agin. > Please explain why previously healthy people get struck down with Common > Fatigue Syndrome amongst other things. Why do you seek my counsel regarding medical ailments? Do you belie

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/02/2012 15:04, Rick Johnson wrote: On Feb 15, 2:56 am, John O'Hagan wrote: John, I have grown weary of educating you. Go back to your day job writing op-eds for the National Inquirer and News of the World; they love this vile sensationalist crap! Goodnight "John boy". The News of the

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 15, 2:56 am, John O'Hagan wrote: > You have just demonstrated that you are the worst kind of racist. Not only > have > you blamed the victim on a truly monstrous scale, you have assigned blame not > to > individuals, but to entire "races". Your tabloid sensationalism is the worst i've s

Kill files [was Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]]

2012-02-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:34 +, Duncan Booth wrote: > Actually, I thought it was a bit weird that I saw ChrisA's comment but > not the message he was commenting on until I went and looked for it. I > read this group on a couple of machines and it looks like Rick's > killfile entry had expired

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Duncan Booth
Arnaud Delobelle wrote: > On 15 February 2012 09:47, Duncan Booth > wrote: >> Rick Johnson wrote: > [...] > > Perhaps it's a bit presumptuous of me but... > > It's tempting to react to his inflammatory posts, but after all Rick > is a troll and experience shows that trolls are best left alon

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
On 15 February 2012 09:47, Duncan Booth wrote: > Rick Johnson wrote: [...] Perhaps it's a bit presumptuous of me but... It's tempting to react to his inflammatory posts, but after all Rick is a troll and experience shows that trolls are best left alone. Also, please spare a thought for all of u

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread Duncan Booth
Rick Johnson wrote: > On Feb 14, 5:31 am, Duncan Booth wrote: >> Rick Johnson wrote: >> > BS! With free healthcare, those who would have allowed their immune >> > system fight off the flu, now take off from work, visit a local >> > clinic, and get pumped full of antibiotics so they can create a

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-15 Thread John O'Hagan
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:26:36 -0800 (PST) Rick Johnson wrote: > On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > > But WE are the fittest! Because we are INTELLIGENT! And the whales say: But WE are the fittest! Because we are BIG! And the rabbits say: But WE are the fittest! Because we are FERTILE!

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > If you truly believe that only the best should be allowed to survive > and that you are not of the best, then the logical thing to do is to > immediately destroy yourself. Oddly enough, though, I don't see many > eugenics proponents committing mass suic

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Duncan, your reading and comprehension skills are atrocious. Please re- > read the paragraph you quoted, then spend some time "comprehending" > it, then show me where i stated that "antibiotics cure viral > infections". psst: i NEVER said any

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 14, 5:31 am, Duncan Booth wrote: > Rick Johnson wrote: > > BS! With free healthcare, those who would have allowed their immune > > system fight off the flu, now take off from work, visit a local > > clinic, and get pumped full of antibiotics so they can create a new > > strain of antibioti

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 13, 10:41 am, Tim Wintle wrote: > Imagine you go to a doctor and say "I've got the flu, can you give me > antibiotics". > > In a Private healthcare system: > >  * The doctor gets paid for retaining a client. >  * He is incentivised to do what you request. > ... so he gives you the antibiot

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Feb 14, 2:41 am, John O'Hagan wrote: >> This is a failure to acknowledge the is/ought problem, and is usually >> compounded (Rick is no exception) by the equally mistaken view that there >> exist >> "superior" individuals whose possessio

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 14, 2:41 am, John O'Hagan wrote: > > 1. Publicly-funded healthcare is both cheaper and more effective than > privatised systems. It's also the right thing to do (i.e. you don't have > to stand by while someone dies because their illness is "their fault"). So you have no problem paying the

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread rusi
On Feb 13, 9:01 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > > And just how much healthcare dollars are you entitled to exactly? Can > you put your entitlement into some form of monetary value? Rick hats off to you man -- you are damn good! Did you study at a top- troll-school? eg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Duncan Booth wrote: > Here's a clue: No flu viruses are treatable with antibiotics. Oh my god we're too late! Now they're ALL resistant! -- Devin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Duncan Booth
Rick Johnson wrote: > BS! With free healthcare, those who would have allowed their immune > system fight off the flu, now take off from work, visit a local > clinic, and get pumped full of antibiotics so they can create a new > strain of antibiotic resistant flu virus! Thanks free healthcare! An

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread Tim Wintle
(Sorry for top-posting this bit, but I think it's required before the rest of my response) At the risk of wading into this from a UK citizen's perspective: You're imagining a public healthcare system as if it were private. Imagine you go to a doctor and say "I've got the flu, can you give me ant

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-14 Thread John O'Hagan
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:01:05 -0800 (PST) Rick Johnson wrote: > On Feb 13, 12:38 pm, Ian Kelly wrote: > > I hate being suckered in by trolls, but this paragraph demands a response. Ditto... > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Rick Johnson > > > > wrote: > > > You are born with rights. Life, L

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > # Py>=3.0 > py> sum(earner.get_income(2012) for earner in earners2012) / > len(earners2012) > average_income > > Once you exceed that amount you are robbing your fellow man. How can > you justify making more than your fair share UNLESS someon

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/13/2012 05:39 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Why? Do you need the services of a professional software developer? Do you have some to offer? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Ian Kelly
[Reply sent off-list, partly because this is way off-topic, but also because python-list rejected my response as spam] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 13, 3:46 pm, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 02/13/2012 09:01 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > > > Look, i hate super rich, arrogant people just as much i hate selfish > > people. > > But wait, Rick.  You are a man of contradictions.  We all are, but you > seem to bluster on and on more about it than m

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:01:05 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > Healthy people do not need healthcare very often Healthy people don't need healthcase AT ALL. By definition, once you need healthcare, you are no longer healthy. Your faith in the magic of "immune system" is touching, but one wonders ho

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/13/2012 09:01 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Look, i hate super rich, arrogant people just as much i hate selfish > people. But wait, Rick. You are a man of contradictions. We all are, but you seem to bluster on and on more about it than most. Firstly, to *hate* anyone, super-rich, arrogant,

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 13/02/2012 21:01, Rick Johnson wrote: Healthy people do not need healthcare very often, and in the rare cases when they do, they don't bog down the system because their bodies are strong. Why are their bodies strong? Because healthy people eat correctly, healthy people exercise, therefore, he

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Angelico
Rick, you are either... On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > I can however tell you that what DOES matter is the continued > improvement of the base gene pool. Yes, this improvement comes at a > cost; the cost of the individual. Those with quality genes will reap > the rewards,

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 13, 12:38 pm, Ian Kelly wrote: > I hate being suckered in by trolls, but this paragraph demands a response. > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Rick Johnson > > wrote: > > You are born with rights. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. > > Healthcare care is NOT a right, healthcare

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > "... Rights, that > **AMONG** these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." AMONG our rights are such elements as Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Founding Fathers I'll come in again.

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Ian Kelly
I hate being suckered in by trolls, but this paragraph demands a response. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > You are born with rights. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. > Healthcare care is NOT a right, healthcare is a privileged. If you deprive a person of access

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 13, 10:12 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:01:59 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > > Evolution knows how to handle degenerates. > > And yet here you still are. Embrace the perfection of evolution, and both our needs shall be met! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/py

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:01:59 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > Evolution knows how to handle degenerates. And yet here you still are. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Rick Johnson
On Feb 13, 2:05 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:48:54 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > > Do you think that cost of healthcare is the problem? Do you think the > > cost of healthcare insurance is the problem? NO! The problem is people > > expect entitlements. > > Entitlements? I wor

OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]

2012-02-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:48:54 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > Do you think that cost of healthcare is the problem? Do you think the > cost of healthcare insurance is the problem? NO! The problem is people > expect entitlements. Entitlements? I work hard and pay my taxes. I *earned* that healthcare t