Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-18 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Florian Diesch [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 8-- In Germany von is just a part of the name since 1919 when the nobility was abolished by law. Thanks - was not aware of this - 1919 - just after the Great War, 1914-1918... - Hendrik --

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-17 Thread Florian Diesch
Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 I wonder if we need another

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-10 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 I wonder if we need another middle field for holding the bin/binte part

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-10 Thread Roel Schroeven
Hendrik van Rooyen schreef: Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 I wonder if we need another middle field for holding

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-10 Thread Theerasak Photha
On 10/7/06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because most Western designers of databases do it wrong doesn't mean that a) you should do it wrong, or b) they will continue to do it wrong into the future, as increasing numbers of those designers come from Asian and other

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-10 Thread Steve Holden
Theerasak Photha wrote: On 10/7/06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because most Western designers of databases do it wrong doesn't mean that a) you should do it wrong, or b) they will continue to do it wrong into the future, as increasing numbers of those designers come

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-10 Thread Leo Kislov
John J. Lee wrote: Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] There would also need to be a flag field to indicate the canonical ordering for writing out the full name: e.g. family-name-first, given-names-first. Do we need something else for the Vietnamese case? You'd think

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 I wonder if we need another middle field for holding the bin/binte part (could also hold, e.g. Van for those names that use this). NO! - I think of my surname as van Rooyen - its only a

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread Steve Holden
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Machin wrote: Two problems so far: (1) If you then assume that you should print the phone directory in order of family name, that's not appropriate in some places e.g. Iceland; neither is addressing Jon Jonsson as Mr Jonsson, and

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 I wonder if we need another middle field for holding the bin/binte part (could also hold, e.g. Van for those names that use this).

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread John Machin
Steve Holden wrote: Don't forget the UK, where the scots are accommodated by filing Mc before Mac everywhere except the 'phone book, where IIRC they are treated as equivalent. Same/similar phone book treatment here in Australia -- Mc is treated as though it were spelled Mac. An interesting

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 8-- In the days of paper filing (I actually took Shorthand, and a Business Machines Filing course in High School to avoid Phys.Ed.) the training for things like oriental names was to choose one for surname. This

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread John J. Lee
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] There would also need to be a flag field to indicate the canonical ordering for writing out the full name: e.g. family-name-first, given-names-first. Do we need something else for the Vietnamese case? You'd think some standards body would

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread John J. Lee
John Machin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] This is all a bit OT. Before we close the thread down Do you have a warrant for that? , let me leave you with one warning: Beware of enthusiastic maintenance programmers on a mission to clean up the dirty names in your database: E.g. (1) Karim

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-09 Thread John Machin
John J. Lee wrote: John Machin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] This is all a bit OT. Before we close the thread down Do you have a warrant for that? I have some signed-but-otherwise-blank warrants, but I'm saving them for other threads :-) , let me leave you with one warning:

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-08 Thread Steve Holden
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holden wrote: John Machin wrote: [lots of explanation about peculiarities of people's names] While I don't dispute any of this erudite display of esoteric nomenclature wisdom the fact remains that many (predominantly Western)

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-08 Thread Paul Rubin
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There would also need to be a flag field to indicate the canonical ordering for writing out the full name: e.g. family-name-first, given-names-first. Do we need something else for the Vietnamese case? You'd think some standards body would have

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-08 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Machin wrote: Two problems so far: (1) If you then assume that you should print the phone directory in order of family name, that's not appropriate in some places e.g. Iceland; neither is addressing Jon Jonsson as Mr Jonsson, and BTW it can be their

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-07 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holden wrote: John Machin wrote: [lots of explanation about peculiarities of people's names] While I don't dispute any of this erudite display of esoteric nomenclature wisdom the fact remains that many (predominantly Western) databases do tend to use

Re: People's names (was Re: sqlite3 error)

2006-10-07 Thread John Machin
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holden wrote: John Machin wrote: [lots of explanation about peculiarities of people's names] While I don't dispute any of this erudite display of esoteric nomenclature wisdom the fact remains that many (predominantly