Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-07 Thread Saketh
On Nov 4, 5:28 pm, Alan Franzoni doesnotex...@franzoni.invalid wrote: On 11/2/09 3:44 PM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote: Being from germany, I can say that we *have* this fragmentation, and frankly: I don't like it. I prefer my communication via NNTP/ML, and not with those visually rather noisy

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-07 Thread Aneesh Kulkarni
Imagine if no one ever created anything new out of fear of fragmenting the community. Should we hurl the same accusation at Guido for fragmenting the programmer community and creating Python, when perfectly fine languages like Perl, Lisp Smalltalk already existed? Creating new things is a part

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-07 Thread Terry Reedy
Saketh wrote: On Nov 4, 5:28 pm, Alan Franzoni doesnotex...@franzoni.invalid My small effort to create a place for discussing Python seems to have sparked a larger discussion than I had anticipated. My intent in creating Pyfora is not to splinter the community or encroach upon

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Lorenzo Gatti
On Nov 3, 11:37 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:11:59 -0800, Lorenzo Gatti wrote: [...] Are you saying that now that comp.lang.python and stackoverflow exists, there no more room in the world for any more Python forums? I think that's

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Ben Finney
Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com writes: Probably this thread is going by far too far :) Agreed. -- \德不孤、必有鄰。 (The virtuous are not abandoned, they shall | `\ surely have neighbours.) —孔夫子 Confucius, 551 BCE – 479 BCE | _o__)

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:11:59 -0800, Lorenzo Gatti wrote: On Nov 1, 8:06 am, Saketh saketh.bhamidip...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I am proud to announce the release of Pyfora (http://pyfora.org), an online community of Python enthusiasts to supplement comp.lang.python and #python. While

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
I was referring to this comment by Ben: Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. This IMHO is hostile, because it presupposes that the mere goal of the OP is fragmenting the community It presupposes nothing of any goal. It describes a predictable result of the OP's

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Hi everyone, I am proud to announce the release of Pyfora (http://pyfora.org), an online community of Python enthusiasts to supplement comp.lang.python and #python. While the site is small right now, please feel free to register and post any questions or tips you may have. I'll feel free

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Dotan Cohen
My personal preference would be a link in each sub-paragraph in the official documentation to a wiki page devoted to that specific aspect of the Python language. A place were users could augment the documentation by providing sample code and by expanding out the documentation for those of us

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Ethan Furman
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: I was referring to this comment by Ben: Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. This IMHO is hostile, because it presupposes that the mere goal of the OP is fragmenting the community It presupposes nothing of any goal. It describes a

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Valentina Boycheva
Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com writes: Probably this thread is going by far too far :) Ben Finney [ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au] writes: Agreed. I was following this discussion first with curiosity and then with increasing disbelief. As a scientist and a programmer, I always

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Terry Reedy
Valentina Boycheva wrote: I was following this discussion first with curiosity and then with increasing disbelief. So stop following it. Really. As a scientist and a programmer, I always considered myself belonging to a group of people who are broad-minded and task-oriented. Ditto. I

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Alan Franzoni
On 11/2/09 3:44 PM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote: Being from germany, I can say that we *have* this fragmentation, and frankly: I don't like it. I prefer my communication via NNTP/ML, and not with those visually rather noisy and IMHO suboptimal forums. E.g. it That's right... forums, although more

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Ned Deily
In article zenim.90683$9f6.106...@twister1.libero.it, Alan Franzoni doesnotex...@franzoni.invalid wrote: On 11/2/09 3:44 PM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote: Being from germany, I can say that we *have* this fragmentation, and frankly: I don't like it. I prefer my communication via NNTP/ML, and not

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread Ben Finney
Alan Franzoni doesnotex...@franzoni.invalid writes: That's right... forums, although more accessible to all the people who can't/doesn't want to use specific email or nntp clients, are quite slow to use. But I think Ubuntu forums support threads and are kind of channeled between ML and

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-04 Thread alex23
Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes, this is about the right kind of response I think everybody deserves who puts energy/enthusiasm/effort/time into putting together a python-related forum. So what's the right kind of response deserved by those who put energy/

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Lorenzo Gatti
On Nov 1, 8:06 am, Saketh saketh.bhamidip...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I am proud to announce the release of Pyfora (http://pyfora.org), an online community of Python enthusiasts to supplement comp.lang.python and #python. While the site is small right now, please feel free to register

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Kee Nethery wrote: I just noticed the tag line a place for Python. Looked it up online (http://pyfora.org/) and it will be interesting to see if it can fill the void that I experience (no centralized place to post and view user submitted sample code) in the existing Python community. There

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
On 11/3/09, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: Daniel Fetchinson schrieb: If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. When a community grows and consequently its needs also grow, how do you

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Ben Finney
Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com writes: I was referring to this comment by Ben: Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. This IMHO is hostile, because it presupposes that the mere goal of the OP is fragmenting the community It presupposes nothing of any

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
I was referring to this comment by Ben: Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. This IMHO is hostile, because it presupposes that the mere goal of the OP is fragmenting the community It presupposes nothing of any goal. It describes a predictable result of the OP's

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Since when is the mere suggestion that fragmentation will occur and if that's a desirable consequence is hostile? The OP is not bound to it, and I also don't see the tone used by the two immediate answerers being hostile. Paul might have been terse - but hostility looks different IMHO. I

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Ethan Furman
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: I was referring to this comment by Ben: Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. This IMHO is hostile, because it presupposes that the mere goal of the OP is fragmenting the community It presupposes nothing of any goal. It describes a

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-03 Thread Rhodri James
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: If yes, we are almost there! In our example the request of A only makes sense if B is making an effort to fragment the community, in other words, assuming that A tries to make a meaningful request, A is

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. When a community grows and consequently its needs also grow, how do you differentiate natural growth from fragmenting the community? Same question in

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. When a community grows and consequently its needs also grow, how do you differentiate natural growth from fragmenting the

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Kee Nethery
I just noticed the tag line a place for Python. Looked it up online (http://pyfora.org/ ) and it will be interesting to see if it can fill the void that I experience (no centralized place to post and view user submitted sample code) in the existing Python community. As for user community

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Kee Nethery wrote: I just noticed the tag line a place for Python. Looked it up online (http://pyfora.org/ ) and it will be interesting to see if it can fill the void that I experience (no centralized place to post and view user submitted sample code) in the existing Python community. ASPN

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. When a community grows and consequently its needs also grow, how do you differentiate natural growth from fragmenting the community? Same question in

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Duncan Booth
Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: Kee Nethery wrote: My personal preference would be a link in each sub-paragraph in the official documentation to a wiki page devoted to that specific aspect of the Python language. A place were users could augment the documentation by providing

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-02 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Daniel Fetchinson schrieb: If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. When a community grows and consequently its needs also grow, how do you differentiate natural growth from fragmenting the

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-01 Thread Paul Rubin
Saketh saketh.bhamidip...@gmail.com writes: I am proud to announce the release of Pyfora (http://pyfora.org), an online community of Python enthusiasts to supplement comp.lang.python and #python. And the reason to want to further fragment Python discussion is exactly what? --

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-01 Thread Martijn Arts
I think it's a really good idea :) My accountname is TotempaaltJ On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalidwrote: Saketh saketh.bhamidip...@gmail.com writes: I am proud to announce the release of Pyfora (http://pyfora.org), an online community of Python

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-01 Thread alex23
Saketh saketh.bhamidip...@gmail.com wrote: If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! I'd like to suggest Pyaspora as a more apropos name ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

2009-11-01 Thread Ben Finney
Saketh saketh.bhamidip...@gmail.com writes: If you have any suggestions, let me know -- this is a community effort! Suggestion: Please don't make efforts to fragment the community. Rather, please direct seekers to the existing forums (the IRC channel, the Usenet groups and mailing lists)