2008/7/21 Krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First off all c# is absolute rubbish waist of time.
What a pity others are joining in this pointless language flame-war.
Look, I recently had to write a script for manipulating some data; I
struggled to organise it in Python and in C++, but when I
2008/8/1 Tim Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2008/7/21 Krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First off all c# is absolute rubbish waist of time.
What a pity others are joining in this pointless language flame-war.
Look, I recently had to write a script for manipulating some data; I
struggled to
The OO overheads for C++ are almost non-existent.
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1192024ns=15058
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:12:54
On Jul 20, 3:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something
On Jul 23, 12:10 pm, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:42:29 -0700, castironpi wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:11 am, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:10:22 +0200, mk wrote:
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
I can't even
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
An operation that most people avoid because of the penalty of shifting
down all elements after the deleted one. Pythonistas tend to build new
lists without unwanted elements instead.
Which is exactly what I have done with my big lxml.etree, from which I
Actually, all of the compilers I'm familiar with (gcc and a
handful of cross compilers for various microprocessors)
translate from high-level languages (e.g. C, C++) into
assembly, which is then assembled into relocatable object
files, which are then linked/loaded to produce machine
language.
2008/7/23 mk [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Actually, all of the compilers I'm familiar with (gcc and a
handful of cross compilers for various microprocessors)
translate from high-level languages (e.g. C, C++) into
assembly, which is then assembled into relocatable object
files, which are then
On 2008-07-23, mk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, all of the compilers I'm familiar with (gcc and a
handful of cross compilers for various microprocessors)
translate from high-level languages (e.g. C, C++) into
assembly, which is then assembled into relocatable object
files, which are then
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:10:22 +0200, mk wrote:
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
I can't even remember when I deleted something from a list in the past.
Still, doesn't that strike you as.. workaround?
No, I find it actually safer; I don't have to care where modifications of
the list might be
On Jul 23, 9:11 am, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:10:22 +0200, mk wrote:
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
I can't even remember when I deleted something from a list in the past.
Still, doesn't that strike you as.. workaround?
No, I find it
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:42:29 -0700, castironpi wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:11 am, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:10:22 +0200, mk wrote:
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
I can't even remember when I deleted something from a list in the past.
Still, doesn't
On Jul 22, 5:59 am, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-07-22, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You talk about writing it in assembly language for each MPU
chip. Actually it is even better than that. We now have
these modern inventions, called
DaveM [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:18:01 +0200, Michiel Overtoom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many major text/word processing programs (Emacs, vi, MS-Word) are also
written in C.
I thought Emacs was written in Lisp.
The core - including the lisp interpreter - is written in
On 2008-07-22, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-07-22, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You talk about writing it in assembly language for each MPU
chip. Actually it is even better than that. We now have
these modern inventions, called compilers that
Iain King wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:58 am, Krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First off all c# is absolute rubbish waist of time. if I need to
learn it then I better lern java or pythonfor that matter. and by the
way what is a real programmer?
The story of a Real Programmer:
giveitawhril2008 wrote...
I think someone should write a compiler, Revenge of BASIC.
Your remark made an immediate association with me with the following soundtrack:
http://www.empire-of-the-claw.com/files/Empire%20of%20The%20Claw%20-%20Tranc
e%20of%20the%2080's%20Arcade.mp3
A creature for my
Erik Max Francis wrote:
Ethan Furman wrote:
Iain King wrote:
The story of a Real Programmer:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html
Iain
Wow. Awesome story.
If my google-fu is up to snuff, these are screenshots (scans of
printouts) of the actual blackjack game in operation:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-07-22, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-07-22, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You talk about writing it in assembly language for each MPU
chip. Actually it is even better than that. We now have
these modern inventions,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:12:54 +0200, mk wrote:
Seriously, though, would there be any advantage in re-implementing
Python in e.g. C++?
Not that current implementation is bad, anything but, but if you're not
careful, the fact that lists are implemented as C
On 2008-07-23, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since you probably need an assembler anyway, generating
assembly-language in the compiler prevents you from having to
duplicate a bunch of object-code-generation code in two places.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. The code
Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just learned something I did not know. I was under the impression that they
translated directly to machine code without ever actually generating Assembler
text files.
Some do, some don't. It's an implementation chioce. gcc generates a text
file and
On 21/07/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
Are you a PH.d
Michael Torrie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.
Definitely one of the most non-sequitor statements I have ever
Bah, new-fangled languages like Pascal... Real programmers write
Fortran. Using punch-cards and paper-tape. Real programmers can edit
their programs with a pointy stick and some home-made sticky-tape. --
Grant Edwards
Reminds me of a funny story from my past working life. I had this fibre
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michiel
Overtoom wrote:
Many major text/word processing programs (Emacs, vi, MS-Word) are also
written in C. Does that mean you should do all your text processing in C?
How else would you implement a Boyer-Moore algorithm?
--
On Jul 21, 6:58 am, Krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First off all c# is absolute rubbish waist of time. if I need to
learn it then I better lern java or pythonfor that matter. and by the
way what is a real programmer?
The story of a Real Programmer:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
(snip clueless nonsense)
Surely a troll... No one on earth can be *that* clueless.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Jul 20, 5:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
(snip clueless nonsense)
Surely a troll... No one on earth can be *that* clueless.
I disagree he has upper management written all over him.
--
mph
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Jul 20, 3:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something
rynt wrote:
You're either ---
A. A Troll
B. A young, immature programmer trying to show off
or
C. A total idiot.
you forgot the All of the above choice.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
I disagree he has upper management written all over him.
In any case, the OP should remember that programming languages are all
theoretically the same: if you can do it in one language, then you can
theoretically do it any other. When choosing a language, you just
Grant Edwards wrote:
Using punch-cards and paper-tape. Real programmers can edit
their programs with a pointy stick and some home-made
sticky-tape.
Wrong! Real programmers can program using only Touring machine (and
something having to do with post for some reason). I'm sure our
brilliant
mk wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
Using punch-cards and paper-tape. Real programmers can edit
their programs with a pointy stick and some home-made
sticky-tape.
Wrong! Real programmers can program using only Touring machine
Is that some kind of bicycle?
TJG
--
Tim Golden wrote:
Wrong! Real programmers can program using only Touring machine
Is that some kind of bicycle?
there's a nearly infinite number of software projects with that name,
but the Ultimate Touring Machine could be found in sydney not long ago:
http://tinyurl.com/5t2dl4
/F
Hi everyone,
Yes, python is written in C. Maybe the original poster is looking for
ultimate language and thus finds it uncomfortable that python should
be written in C and not python itself.
Actually it doesnt matter if IronPython is written in C# and Python in
C. Each programming language
Who cares what language a language is written in as long as you can be
productive - which you certainly can be in Python.
Seriously, though, would there be any advantage in re-implementing
Python in e.g. C++?
Not that current implementation is bad, anything but, but if you're not
careful,
Its called a BMW today.
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Tim Golden wrote:
Wrong! Real programmers can program using only Touring machine
Is that some kind of bicycle?
there's a nearly infinite number of software projects with that name,
but the Ultimate Touring Machine could be found in sydney not
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:26:27 -0700, castironpi wrote:
On Jul 20, 11:59 pm, Michael Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python
On 20 jul, 19:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
rynt wrote:
You're either ---
A. A Troll
B. A young, immature programmer trying to show off
or
C. A total idiot.
you forgot the All of the above choice.
Or Aspiring Comic. This is certain one of the more entertaining troll
posts we have had ;-).
--
mk wrote:
Seriously, though, would there be any advantage in re-implementing
Python in e.g. C++?
Considered and rejected by Guido and the CPython developer crew.
Anyone who wants C++Python is free to make one, just as people have done
JavePython (Jython), C#Python, (IonPython),
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:18:01 +0200, Michiel Overtoom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many major text/word processing programs (Emacs, vi, MS-Word) are also
written in C.
I thought Emacs was written in Lisp.
DaveM
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Jul 21, 8:26 am, Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mensanator schrieb:
You want cool?
THIS is cool:
j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)
You call it cool, I call it NameError: name 'invert' is not defined.
It
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
Well, yes, the interpreter and a handful of the core
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM, DaveM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:18:01 +0200, Michiel Overtoom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many major text/word processing programs (Emacs, vi, MS-Word) are also
written in C.
I thought Emacs was written in Lisp.
Large parts of Emacs
On Jul 20, 9:18 pm, Michiel Overtoom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.
Many major text/word processing programs (Emacs, vi, MS-Word) are also
written in C. Does that mean you should do all your text processing in C?
Well, actually, as a COBOL geezer I should not complain about Python.
Rumor had it
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
rynt wrote:
You're either ---
A. A Troll
B. A young, immature programmer trying to show off or
C. A total idiot.
you forgot the All of the above choice.
I read it as an inclusive or.
Tim Delaney
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
it's clear to me that the perfect language should exist a priori,
coming to being causa sui. Having to actually implement a language is
disgusting and unnatural.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Jul 20, 6:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I was suspecting the Python compiler or interpreter is written in a
REAL language like C#. So, Wiki says it's written in C! It's almost as
if it were an intentional trick...write your own, new language in an
OLD, real world language that is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so hot, then,
hopefully
On Jul 21, 8:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.
The advantage of Python over C - to me - is in the higher order
On Jul 20, 5:50�pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mensanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.
C is the highest level assembler language I've ever used. And I've used a
few. It really is cool that you can add two 32-bit integers and not have
to worry about
On Jul 21, 8:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something
On Jul 20, 6:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.
I somehow doubt the Python community will feel much of a loss if you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
Well, yes, the interpreter and a handful of the core
Giveitawhril wrote...
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go
and learn C#.
No: Real programmers first eat a quiche and then return to their Pascal
programming.
But the SOURCE is some old, high level language which no one wants to
use anymore!
C is alive and kicking.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Michiel Overtoom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Giveitawhril wrote...
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go
and learn C#.
No: Real programmers first eat a quiche and then return to their Pascal
programming.
Bah, new-fangled languages like
On Jul 20, 7:37�pm, Roy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
�Mensanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.
C is the highest level assembler language
Isn't that like bragging about being the smartest
kid on the short
Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:
j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)
You call that cool. I call it unreadable.
-Steve Johnson
--
On 2008-07-21, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go and
learn C#.
No: Real programmers first eat a quiche and then return to
their Pascal programming.
Bah, new-fangled languages like Pascal... Real programmers
write Fortran.
Using
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2008-07-21, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Using punch-cards and paper-tape. Real programmers can edit
their programs with a pointy stick and some home-made
sticky-tape.
Doesn't everyone know that REAL
On Jul 20, 10:05�pm, Stephen Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:
j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)
You
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Mensanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:05�pm, Stephen Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:
j =
Mensanator wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:37�pm, Roy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
�Mensanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.
C is the highest level assembler language
Isn't that like bragging about being the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.
Definitely one of the most non-sequitor statements I have ever heard.
Actually your entire
to make it
happen, there are others.
Manuel.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my
On Jul 20, 11:08 pm, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Mensanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:05�pm, Stephen Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-07-21, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go and
learn C#.
No: Real programmers first eat a quiche and then return to
their Pascal programming.
Bah, new-fangled languages like Pascal... Real programmers
write
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