alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com writes:
I'd still like to see this kept out of the official docs as much as
possible, mostly for reasons of brevity clarity. I think the
official docs should be considered definitive and not require a
hermeneutic evaluation against user comments to ensure they're
alex23 wrote:
Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
The PHP docs as I remember are sort of regular (non-publically
editable) doc pages, each of which has a public discussion thread
where people can post questions and answers about the topic of that
doc page. I thought it worked
Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
Such evaluation would only do them good. The official docs are full
of errors and omissions, which is why we have this thread going on
here in the newsgroup.
And there is a process for reporting and correcting such errors and
omissions, which is
During all this conversation there was a ticket posted in the bug
tracking system with the suggestion of each section in the official
docs linking to a fixed wiki page that can contain user contributions.
The ticket has been closed because this addition to the official docs
is already in
On Aug 7, 11:03 am, Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote:
...(snip)
I'm looking forward to the acceleration of improvements to the
official docs based upon easy to provide user feedback. Glad to see
that the bug tracking system is going to not be the primary means for
documentation changes.
Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote:
I'm looking forward to the acceleration of improvements to the
official docs based upon easy to provide user feedback. Glad to see
that the bug tracking system is going to not be the primary means for
documentation changes.
I'm not sure what you see as
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:48 PM, alex23wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
Why exactly is posting an open comment on a bug tracker somehow
inferior to posting an open comment on a wiki?
When one believes that development is controlled by a cabal which is
jealous of outsiders and actively prevents
David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote:
When one believes that development is controlled by a cabal which is
jealous of outsiders and actively prevents improvements to the docs,
any change, even if only in perception, helps to weaken the hold of
the evil forces holding back the success of
On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:48 AM, alex23 wrote:
Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote:
I'm looking forward to the acceleration of improvements to the
official docs based upon easy to provide user feedback. Glad to see
that the bug tracking system is going to not be the primary means for
documentation
On Aug 7, 3:35 pm, Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote:
(snip)
Kee,
that was an eloquent and enlighting post and i think it speaks volumes
to the lack of inclusion of all Pythoneers in this community. Not to
mention the viscous attitudes and self indulgence we have around here.
For those of you with
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:35:26 -0700, Kee Nethery wrote:
Why exactly is posting an open comment on a bug tracker somehow
inferior to posting an open comment on a wiki?
It's a good question and deserves a good answer.
* Fewer Steps
* Immediate
* Does not need to be formally reviewed
*
On Aug 7, 9:25 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
If you want an open-access documentation system go right ahead and build
one. There are plenty of wikis available to use, and the Python docs are
freely available as your starting point. I might even contribute
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
As for the rest, you're right that the current bug-tracker puts up
barriers to people submitting comments and bugs. That's actually a good
thing. The only thing worse than not enough information is too much
information, and the
RayS wrote:
At 08:35 PM 8/5/2009 -0700, r wrote:
... Any real sense of community is undermined -- or
even destroyed -- to be replaced by virtual equivalents that strive,
unsuccessfully, to synthesize a sense of community.
I've brought up the idea of the quasi-community doc that PHP uses to
On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
RayS wrote:
At 08:35 PM 8/5/2009 -0700, r wrote:
... Any real sense of community is undermined -- or
even destroyed -- to be replaced by virtual equivalents that strive,
unsuccessfully, to synthesize a sense of community.
I've brought up the
Kee Nethery wrote:
As I struggle through trying to figure out how to make python do
simple stuff for me, I frequently generate samples. If some volunteer
here would point me towards the documentation that would tell me how I
can alter the existing Python docs to include sample code, I'd
alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com writes:
No offence, but the last thing the official documentation needs is
example code written by people learning how to code. Suggest changes,
request clarifications, submit samples for review, sure, but direct
modification by users? I've seen the PHP docs; thanks
Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
The PHP docs as I remember are sort of regular (non-publically
editable) doc pages, each of which has a public discussion thread
where people can post questions and answers about the topic of that
doc page. I thought it worked really well. The
On Aug 4, 12:55 am, David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net wrote:
It isn't totally about the writers...
Peoples egos are also at stake - it seems.
If Fred X wrote Doc Y.. they don't want their name taken off.. So
they generally speaking don't want the docs changed.
If you talk too much about
At 08:35 PM 8/5/2009 -0700, r wrote:
... Any real
sense of community is undermined -- or
even destroyed -- to be replaced by virtual equivalents that
strive,
unsuccessfully, to synthesize a sense of
community.
I've brought up the idea of the quasi-community doc
that PHP uses to good effect.
It isn't totally about the writers...
Peoples egos are also at stake - it seems.
If Fred X wrote Doc Y.. they don't want their name taken off.. So
they generally speaking don't want the docs changed.
If you talk too much about docs.. you can be told you're OT..
even in a thread about docs...
On Aug 4, 3:55 pm, David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net wrote:
It isn't totally about the writers...
Peoples egos are also at stake - it seems.
Citation please.
If Fred X wrote Doc Y.. they don't want their name taken off.. So
they generally speaking don't want the docs changed.
Ditto.
If
In 09bf4f17-40a5-4bad-81d3-1950545b7...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com
Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
snip
Thanks. Your remarks at least confirm that my impression was not
simply due to my noob ignorance: the keyboard-accessible docs are
indeed as poor as they look.
kynn
--
I am a newbie and about a month old with Python. There is a wealth of
material about Python and I am really enjoying learning Python.
One thing that could have helped Python documentation is that instead of the
very raw doc string, it could have used something like PythonDoc (java doc
style) so
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:10 PM, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather poor, overall.
I'm sure that Python experts don't have this problem: they have
internalized some good ways to access the
Mohan Parthasarathy schrieb:
I am a newbie and about a month old with Python. There is a wealth of
material about Python and I am really enjoying learning Python.
One thing that could have helped Python documentation is that instead of the
very raw doc string, it could have used something like
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:10:45 +, kj wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather poor, overall.
FWIW, I find the module documentation to be mostly adequate.
What's missing is a human-readable language *manual*. The tutorial omits
On Aug 1, 4:18 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
This is one area where Windows users seems to have an advantage. The
standard installer includes the doc set as a Windows help file. I often
keep that open in one window while programming in others. I only later
discovered that this was a
jkn wrote:
The ActiveState distribution also includes the doc set as a CHM file
(the canonical version didn't used to; one reason why I've used
ActiveState in the past).
It has done for quite some while now: Python 2.3 was the first
and that was released, what, six years ago. Still, you're
Hi Tim
On Aug 1, 8:32 pm, Tim Golden m...@timgolden.me.uk wrote:
Unfortunately, the combination of the python 2.6 CHM helpfile style,
and the KChmViewer application gives me body text which is almost
unreadable (black text on dark blue background). I'm not sure if this
a bug in
update: if I set 'use KHTMLPart-based widget' instead of 'QTextBrowser-
based Widget' to display HTML content in the application settings of
KchmViewer, all is readable. Hurrah!
I wonder if it is picing up some QT stylesheet I have lying around in
an over-clever way...
J^n
--
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather poor, overall.
I'm sure that Python experts don't have this problem: they have
internalized some good ways to access the documentation, are
productive with it, and therefore have lost the ability
On 2009-07-31 15:10, kj wrote:
I would love to know how experienced Python programmers quickly
zero in on the Python documentation they need.
http://docs.python.org/library/urllib
I use Firefox's Quick Searches feature to make getting this URL as fast as
possible:
m urllib
--
Robert
On Jul 31, 3:10 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather poor, overall.
[snip]
If you mean the built-in docs i *highly agree* with you. if you mean
docs/tutorials available across the WWW i *highly
On Jul 31, 1:10 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather poor, overall.
I'm sure that Python experts don't have this problem: they have
internalized some good ways to access the documentation, are
On Jul 31, 1:55 pm, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Apart from that what have the Pythonistas ever done for us? Nothing!:)
Please don't feed the trolls.
And if you do feed the trolls don't smile at them.
Carl Banks
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
In e22013d0-fbad-44e0-919b-ad5bb5f2d...@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com Carl
Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
(omg you have to use a
*mouse*)
That's precisely the point. There's a huge number of programmers
out there who, like me, *hate* to use the mouse while they're
coding. It is truly
On Jul 31, 4:16 pm, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 31, 1:10 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather poor, overall.
I'm sure that Python experts don't have this problem: they
On Jul 31, 2:28 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In e22013d0-fbad-44e0-919b-ad5bb5f2d...@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com Carl
Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
(omg you have to use a
*mouse*)
That's precisely the point. There's a huge number of programmers
out there who, like me,
Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
This is one area in which Perl still whips Python...
No way. Perl's man pages are organized so poorly there is no
ergonomic pit deep enough to offset them. Quick, what man page is the
do statement documented in?
Of course there is:
$ perldoc -f
On Jul 31, 3:09 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In 09bf4f17-40a5-4bad-81d3-1950545b7...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com
Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
snip
Thanks. Your remarks at least confirm that my impression was not
simply due to my noob ignorance: the keyboard-accessible
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 06:03:25PM EDT, Carl Banks wrote:
On Jul 31, 2:28 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In e22013d0-fbad-44e0-919b-ad5bb5f2d...@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com Carl
Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
(omg you have to use a
*mouse*)
That's precisely the point.
On Jul 31, 4:53 pm, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
r wrote:
On Jul 31, 4:16 pm, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 31, 1:10 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python rather
I too find the Python docs not very useful and it really slows down my
learning curve.
I wonder if it would make sense to find good tech writers, get a
quotes, and get some professionally written documentation WITH LOTS OF
EXAMPLES added to the standard Python documentation tree.
I'd
kj wrote:
cut python has poor documentation explanation
Well to a level I agree with you.
If you are totally new to programming
_and_
you won't/can't invest in educational material
_and_
have an adversity for looking up resources using a web browser
_and_ don't have the patience for trial and
r wrote:
On Jul 31, 4:53 pm, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
r wrote:
On Jul 31, 4:16 pm, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 31, 1:10 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm pretty new to Python, and I like a lot overall, but I find the
documentation for Python
In article h4vnm4$jv...@reader1.panix.com, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In e22013d0-fbad-44e0-919b-ad5bb5f2d...@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com Carl
Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
(omg you have to use a *mouse*)
That's precisely the point. There's a huge number of programmers out
there
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:28:36 +, kj wrote:
In e22013d0-fbad-44e0-919b-ad5bb5f2d...@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com
Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
(omg you have to use a
*mouse*)
That's precisely the point. There's a huge number of programmers out
there who, like me, *hate*
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
kj wrote:
[excerpt of previously snipped content restored]
I'm sure that I can find a full description of this parameter if
I fire up Google, and search online. In fact, more likely than
not, I'll find far more documentation than I want. But my point
is that a
Tim Chase wrote:
It may not be an adversity for looking things up using a web-browser,
but rather the need to access documentation offline. Whether on an
airplane or simply away from a wifi/landline connection, there are
plenty of times I'm coding offline (another reason I'm happy to have
In article h50c6a$dg...@ger.gmane.org, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
wrote:
This is one area where Windows users seems to have an advantage. The
standard installer includes the doc set as a Windows help file. I often
keep that open in one window while programming in others. I only later
101 - 151 of 151 matches
Mail list logo
