Alex Martelli wrote:
Magnus Lycka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
stuff in the world, so my standard extrapolation technique would yield
3 python programmers globally.
I think this estimate is low, based on three piece of data I know (but,
sorry, are all confidential;-) and thus one
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since then, feedback from students in industry is that it is being used
more and more, day in and day out by top world class shops (games,
effects, etc). BUT It's still Java, C++, PHP, SQL that have the
marketing demands...
Absolutely. But note that SQL (like
I'll attest that we have a shortage of Python developers in the Dallas
area; in the DFW Python user group (dfwpython.org) we occasionally
encounter local employers who have trouble finding local Python
developers who can take on new work. Most of the group members are
already employed, so the
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:20:11 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The
dictionary definition of countless is too many to count (Pocket Oxford),
which I suppose could be 11 for some people if they didn't take their
shoes and socks off. Mathematically, any finite integer is able to be
Magnus Lycka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
stuff in the world, so my standard extrapolation technique would yield
3 python programmers globally.
I think this estimate is low, based on three piece of data I know (but,
sorry, are all confidential;-) and thus one I can infer:
-- I know how
Blair P. Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I happen to know that Google does most of its admin scripting in
Python. It can't be a small job, running a few hundred thousand
servers worldwide and keeping them all up to date for system and
security.
It's not a small job (as uber-tech-lead for
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
majority of the programming (for money) I've done in
Stuart Bishop wrote:
My personal experience is that there is a shortage of good Python
programmers. In Melbourne, Australia for example there is a continual need
for about 2 more - one Python shop there just hires clueful developers and
makes their first task 'learn Python'. We generally have
Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[...]
Oh dont be so pedantic - countless - without count - probably
just means that nobody has bothered to count them...
Without being particularly pedantic: no, it doesn't. It means too
many to count. Though I would have
From: OKB (not okblacke) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:04:02 GMT
- at yahoo, we developed yahoo!mail in python (and some C++)
- at synarc, i wrote software for doctors in python (and some C)
- at ironport, most everything is in python (and some C, PyRex)
This is
On 26 Sep 2006 13:43:24 -0700, Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simon Brunning is a Pythonista in his spare time but uses
Java at work. He has got Jython fairly deeply embedded though.
Sure do. We also use Python for a lot of internal tools, the most
complex probably being a fairly extensive
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
Depends on what you compare with. I'm pretty sure there are thousands
of people working as Python programmers, and many more using it as a
smaller tool in their work. Of course this is small compared to Java
or C++.
In the US, it seems a lot of
I do... but then I'm a grad student so I'm not sure what extent you
would call it a living
I know that Python is used __extensively__ in academia for running
experiments where speed is not important.
-Jeff
Magnus Lycka wrote:
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many
--
Mike C. Fletcher wrote:
Job security and easy availability is not the be-all and end-all of
happiness in life. That said, if you know anyone who just wants a
job, please, push them at Java, someone has to spend the next 30
years maintaining the Struts and J*EE sites people
walterbyrd,
Answer: Yes. Definitely. And, to be correct, there are some who earn a
rather comfortable living programming in Python.
If so, I doubt there are many.
depending on your definition of many. if many is something around
1% of population of earth, you are right.
If many is more than
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
majority of the programming (for money) I've done in the last ten
years, and there's countless other
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
majority of the
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:28 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Because Java has Sun's crazy-money behind it, and that pisses Microsoft
off, so C# has MS's crazy-money behind it. And long before that, C was
/the/ language because it was the only one that would allow you to
actually
On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:28 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:Countless and uncountable are not the same thing. The former simply means you haven't bothered to count them yet, which as a basis for number theory, sounds like it belongs in a Douglas Adams
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
As I've seen on the monster there are openings for Python developers.
It is 30x less than Java, but there are less Python developers, so...
I don't know is it easier to find the job as Python or as Java developer.
I
Paul Boddie wrote:
George Sakkis wrote:
[Oslo, Norway short of 300-500 Java developers]
Um, how many of these lots of Java developers looking for work live
in, or are willing to relocate to, Oslo?
Well, I really meant to say that the lots of Java developers I've
seen actually are in
Yes.
John
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Dan Bishop wrote:
Are you hiring? :-)
No, just complaining. ;-)
It's so frustrating seeing all those job postings that require a
mimimum 10 years experience.
I've seen adverts with phrasing that could have been interpreted as
having meant minimum 10 years .NET experience, and that was a
Dan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's so frustrating seeing all those job postings that require a
mimimum 10 years experience.
I think it shows a huge gulf of communication between the person
writing the job requirements and the person who actually asked for the
position to be filled.
If
walterbyrd wrote:
My research of this subject was very limited, just looked at the major
job boards, and compared demand for python developers to demand for
other languages, such as java, c++, visual basic, or php. An
unscientific test, I realize. But, it's not easy to get good data on
such
well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British
hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts.
These days its even hard to get the idea that there is a demand of boy
bands, rnb, euro trash or any other
Aahz enlightened us with:
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians,
British hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts.
Any other votes for this being QOTW?
+1
At Monday 25/9/2006 20:09, walterbyrd wrote:
I do.
If so, I doubt there are many.
That's why they get well paid :)
(uhm, not really... :( )
Gabriel Genellina
Softlab SRL
__
Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí.
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
My share of the waterfall :o)
I do earn my (preposterously nice *wink*) salary from doing *all* major
efforts, at the company I work for, in Python.
Not only that, since I started out here some 5 years ago, nearly all
software development of
George Sakkis wrote:
[Oslo, Norway short of 300-500 Java developers]
Um, how many of these lots of Java developers looking for work live
in, or are willing to relocate to, Oslo?
Well, I really meant to say that the lots of Java developers I've
seen actually are in Oslo. Certainly, every time
AOL^H^H^H, me too.
And it's paid better than C++ programming.
HTH,
Gerald
Gabriel Genellina schrieb:
At Monday 25/9/2006 20:09, walterbyrd wrote:
I do.
If so, I doubt there are many.
That's why they get well paid :)
(uhm, not really... :( )
Gabriel Genellina
Softlab SRL
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
someone just posted this
Site Perl Python
Hotjobs 2756 655
Monster 1000 317
Dice 4828 803
From what I have seen, most of listings are not for python developers.
Rather they list python as a nice to have as an
walterbyrd enlightened us with:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
www.uwklantprofiel.nl and www.uwpensioenanalyse.nl, both systems are
written in Python, although the website of the former is still in PHP.
It'll be Python soon, too. I've created both systems.
Sybren
--
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
majority of the programming (for money) I've done in the last ten
years, and there's countless other people I know here in Melbourne in
the same position.
--
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I program full-time in Python writing systems to automate the
processing of health care claims. Lots of database usage, lots of
objects, lots of fun to write it in python (I used to code C/C++ and
Perl).
I wonder why that is?
Me, too. Are you
Anthony Baxter wrote:
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
majority of the programming (for money) I've done in the last ten
years, and there's countless other people I know here in Melbourne in
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
I've now used Python in every job I've had for the last 10 years.
Started off with web-sites for a few months, then writing
VRML-processing libraries to piece together and massage virtual worlds
(not a *lot* of jobs
I said:
Previously I used Python while earning a living working in IT at a
college. Currently it is putting food on the table via contract jobs.
I imagine there are many out there like me, doing just that.
faulkner wrote:
where do you find these contract jobs, if you don't mind my asking?
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
well, I think I prefer the are you sure you exist? trolls over the python
sucks
and you are all a bunch of clueless something something and this thing is
broken
beyond repair and you are all a bunch of clueless something something trolls.
I can see where the trolling
Paul Boddie wrote:
One example I read recently [1] described how the marketplace
in Oslo, Norway is currently short of 300-500 Java developers, but if
you look beneath the surface, knowing that there are lots of Java
developers out there looking for work, a gulf between the story and the
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British
hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts.
Any other votes for this being QOTW?
--
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
We're at least two here...
I wonder why that is?
I wonder why you have such an a priori ?
--
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python -c print '@'.join(['.'.join([w[::-1] for w in p.split('.')]) for
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2006/9/26, Sybren Stuvel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Aahz enlightened us with:
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians,
British hard rock bands, or melodic death metal
Max M wrote:
walterbyrd skrev:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Because you are ignorant?
In this particular subject: yes.
My research of this subject was very limited, just looked at the major
job boards, and compared demand for python developers to demand for
other
since 1997, i've been pretty much working full-time in Python:
- at yahoo, we developed yahoo!mail in python (and some C++)
- at synarc, i wrote software for doctors in python (and some C)
- at ironport, most everything is in python (and some C, PyRex). we
have a million lines in python
Mike C. Fletcher wrote:
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
I've now used Python in every job I've had for the last 10 years.
Started off with web-sites for a few months, then writing
VRML-processing libraries to piece together and massage virtual
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I currently earn my living programming in Python.
This is particularly amusing given that it's a Java shop and I don't
even know Python!
I've only been using it for a few months as a replacement for the
previous shell scripts and instead of
wesley chun wrote:
since 1997, i've been pretty much working full-time in Python:
- at yahoo, we developed yahoo!mail in python (and some C++)
- at synarc, i wrote software for doctors in python (and some C)
- at ironport, most everything is in python (and some C, PyRex). we
have a million
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
OKB (not okblacke) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is interesting to me in that all these jobs also involve C.
I'm not the original poster, but I'd be interested to hear about people
who make a living programming Python WITHOUT knowing C.
In more than two
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Well, I'm not qualified to analyse the reasons for your doubts, but I'd
guess it's because you have preconceived notions.
Tim Delaney
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walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
If you know German, there was just a job posting on this list for a
python programmer. That would be at least one person.
James
--
James Stroud
UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics
Box 951570
Los Angeles,
walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Python programmers get their code working so fast that management has
to find other things for them to do to fill their time. So they're
not really making a living programming in Python.
--
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
to hire a few more, in fact.
http://www.enthought.com/careers.htm
--
Robert Kern
I have come to believe that the whole world is an
2006/9/25, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
to hire a few more, in fact.
And there are also those ReportLab guys:
www.reportlab.com
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For the last 5 years most of my jobs have been Python based. At two
of those places Python has been the main but not only language used.
Neil
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walterbyrd skrev:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Because you are ignorant?
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walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
I earn a living programming with IronPython - at
http://www.resolversystems.com
A very cool place to work. :-)
Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
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both my last summer jobs consisted entirely of python, and the jobs i'm
looking at for next summer all involve python. and one of my profs
makes a living teaching python. and the office i worked for 2 summers
ago was 5 old guys who did nothing but python and stock trade analysis
all day.
if i'm
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Previously I used Python while earning a living working in IT at a
college. Currently it is putting food on the table via contract jobs.
I imagine there are many out there like me, doing just that.
Christian
where do you find these contract jobs, if you don't mind my asking?
Christian wrote:
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Previously I used Python while earning a living working in IT at a
college. Currently it is putting food on the table via contract
walterbyrd wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Software Development Magazine (maybe? been a while since I read the
article) interviews lots of programmers yearly, asking - among other
things - what programming languages they use. The article mentioned that
Python's
Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
to hire a few more, in fact.
I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
I didn't mean any disrespect. I think python is a great language. It
just doesn't seem like there is much demand
walterbyrd wrote:
Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're
looking
to hire a few more, in fact.
I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
I didn't mean any disrespect. I think python is a great language. It
just doesn't seem
walter If so, I doubt there are many.
You're kidding, right?
Skip
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walter It just doesn't seem like there is much demand for professional
walter python developers.
Keep an eye on this page:
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/
and if you're so inclined, subscribe to the RSS feed of that page. I think
Peter Kropf is processing 3-5 new postings
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
Once upon a time, I was a Perl programmer. Then my job forced me to
learn Python. Once I got hooked, I never looked back. I've had two
different jobs as a full-time Python
walterbyrd wrote:
does anybody earn a living programming in python?
of course.
If so, I doubt there are many.
don't be silly.
I wonder why that is?
what what is ?
/F
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walterbyrd wrote:
I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
someone just posted this
Site Perl Python
Hotjobs 2756 655
Monster 1000 317
Dice 4828 803
to the talking to marketing people thread (see that
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