RE: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-06 Thread Clayton Kirkwood
Yeah, the 11 was mesmerizing. You didn't need no stinkin' program to see how busy the system was, you just checked the lights. You could really tell when somebody was compiling or link/loading. As I've done many times since those days, I am amazed how many users could be using the system

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-06 Thread William Ray Wing
On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Clayton Kirkwood c...@godblessthe.us wrote: Yeah, the 11 was mesmerizing. You didn't need no stinkin' program to see how busy the system was, you just checked the lights. You could really tell when somebody was compiling or link/loading. As I've done many times

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-06 Thread mbg1708
On Tuesday, 4 November 2014 16:49:36 UTC, françai s wrote: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of programming

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-05, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: machine code typically implies an instruction set specific to that machine... ALL computers operate in BINARY logic (a bit only holds 0 or 1). How you get those bits into the computer is irrelevant. Just to muddy the water...

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2014-11-05, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: machine code typically implies an instruction set specific to that machine... ALL computers operate in BINARY logic (a bit only holds 0 or 1). How you

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Denis McMahon
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:30:06 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: If you have an old system with front-panel toggle switches, you set the switches for binary values, and then push the enter switch. You've booted a PDP-8 then ;) -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com --

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread MRAB
On 2014-11-05 02:30, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:45:32 -0300, françai s romaper...@gmail.com declaimed the following: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Nov2014 15:38, Denis McMahon denismfmcma...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:30:06 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: If you have an old system with front-panel toggle switches, you set the switches for binary values, and then push the enter switch. You've booted a PDP-8 then

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending where you draw the line.) Should we stop before we reach the quantum foam of

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Nov2014 18:09, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending where you draw the

Re:[OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Dave Angel
françai s romaper...@gmail.com Wrote in message: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of programming computers

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-04, françai s romaper...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, No. You can write in binary if you want. If I were going to do something like that I'd pick a CPU like a PDP11 with

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Rustom Mody
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:19:36 PM UTC+5:30, françai s wrote: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread sjmsoft
Grant's statements are correct and his advice is sound. I would not waste my time writing machine code, even as a hobby (and not even if your other hobbies include juggling chain saws). It's too time-consuming, tedious, bug-prone, and eyeglass-prescription-enhancing. Programming in assembly

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread sohcahtoa82
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread ast
sohcahto...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: I can't think of any reason why someone would WANT to program in binary/hex machine code. It happens if you design

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread sohcahtoa82
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:51:53 AM UTC-8, ast wrote: sohcahtoa82 a écrit dans le message de news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: I can't think of any reason why someone would WANT to program in

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Tobiah
On 11/04/2014 08:45 AM, françai s wrote: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of programming computers that you can

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-04, ast nom...@invalid.com wrote: sohcahto...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: I can't think of any reason why someone would WANT to program in

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Theo van Werkhoven
You could go to http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r/computer_simulators.htm and get the Altair 8800 or IMSAI 8080 emulator. Run the program and toggle in binary code for these easy to use 8 bit processors. There's a short manual for the IMSAI on the same page and the manual plus instruction

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: machine code typically implies an instruction set specific to that machine... ALL computers operate in BINARY logic (a bit only holds 0 or 1). How you get those bits into the computer is irrelevant. Bah,

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 04Nov2014 11:24, sohcahto...@gmail.com sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:51:53 AM UTC-8, ast wrote: sohcahtoa82 a écrit dans le message de news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote:

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending where you draw the line.) Should we stop before we reach the quantum foam of