On 2015-01-22, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Mario Figueiredo wrote:
But speaking about impressing more experient programmers, I personally
don't think Python has a wow factor in any of its features and syntax. At
least in the way I understand the word wow.
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 02:03:57 +1100, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show
On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length and
were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 characters.
Even more fun is that Python's primitive integer type (longs for older Python
versions)
has no arbitrary
On Friday, 16 January 2015 11:04:20 UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off
On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:06:33 UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong wrote:
On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length
and
were not limited to swomething arbitrary,
Chris,
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is. What do you do?
Some ideas where
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length and
were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 characters.
Even more fun is that Python's
On 01/21/2015 02:06 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length
and
were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
..., and I would guess a 64-bit Java would
also raise the limit.
Even in a 64-bit Java, the _type_ returned by String.length() is 'int',
and is thus at most (2**31 - 1). This isn't a problem for strings,
which never get that long in practice, but for
In article w2dsif33j2k@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu, alan@scooby-
doo.csail.mit.edu says...
Even in a 64-bit Java, the _type_ returned by String.length() is
'int', and is thus at most (2**31 - 1). This isn't a problem for
strings, which never get that long in practice, but for some other
Java
Alan Bawden a...@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu writes:
... Score one for untyped languages.
Drat. I should have writted dynamically typed languages.
The language has changed. When I was a novice Lisp hacker, we were
comfortable saying that Lisp was untyped. But nowadays we always say
that Lisp
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Matthew Ruffalo mm...@case.edu wrote:
Yes, length-unlimited strings are *extremely* useful in some
applications. I remember bitterly cursing Java's string length limit of
2 ** 31 (maybe - 1) on multiple occasions. Python's strings seem to
behave like integers
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Matthew Ruffalo mm...@case.edu wrote:
No, Java's String.length returns an int and Strings are limited to ~2 **
31 characters even in 64-bit Java.
Huh, annoying. In Python, the length of a string (in characters) is
stored in a Py_ssize_t (if I recall correctly),
Alan Bawden a...@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu writes:
The language has changed. When I was a novice Lisp hacker, we were
comfortable saying that Lisp was untyped. But nowadays we always say
that Lisp is dynamically typed. I could write an essay about why...
I'd be interested in seeing that.
On 21-1-2015 20:06, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length
and
were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256
Alan Bawden wrote:
Alan Bawden a...@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu writes:
... Score one for untyped languages.
Drat. I should have writted dynamically typed languages.
The language has changed. When I was a novice Lisp hacker, we were
comfortable saying that Lisp was untyped. But nowadays
Mario Figueiredo wrote:
But speaking about impressing more experient programmers, I personally
don't think Python has a wow factor in any of its features and syntax. At
least in the way I understand the word wow.
Quote:
I've seen Python criticized as ugly precisely because it doesn't
On 01/21/2015 04:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Matthew Ruffalo mm...@case.edu wrote:
Yes, length-unlimited strings are *extremely* useful in some
applications. I remember bitterly cursing Java's string length limit of
2 ** 31 (maybe - 1) on multiple occasions.
On 1/16/15 10:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is.
On 17/01/2015 1:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is.
If you want to show off the REPL, I'd got for iPython and show them some
simple matplotlib examples (plotting sin waves, maybe dig up a CSV file on
the net with some data your friend is familiar with, etc)
Skip
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
Scenario:
On 2015.01.16 09:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is.
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is. What do
On 16/01/2015 16:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is.
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:34:20 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to
On 01/16/2015 08:33 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 4:24 PM CET Andrew Berg wrote:
On 2015.01.16 09:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 10:51:52 PM UTC+5:30, Mirage Web Studio wrote:
On 01/16/2015 08:33 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice point!
First class concrete data structures is a blessing especially for
a C programmer.
Definitely! Worth noting.
There've been some nice concepts mentioned; concrete suggestions would
be good too. Some specific
On 2015-01-17 02:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
Ideally, this should be something that can be demo'd quickly and
easily, and it should be impressive without going into great details
of and see, this is how it works on the inside. So, how would you
brag about this language?
First, I agree with
On 1/16/2015 9:44 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
snip
exact line of code that would
show off Python's awesomeness.
a,b = b,a
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