By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
know who you are replying to.
That's what the References:-Header is there for.
The References header is for the benefit of news and mail clients,
not
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is
an entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any
packages or installers to use it.
For people who have never used such a system it's probably
difficult to see the advantages.
That's the whole point.
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
I've been using mail and news for over 20 years now, you definitely
don't need to teach me anything.
Except common courtesy.
You may have been rude for over 20 years, but I don't have to put up with it
for a second longer.
Good Bye,
Agreed.
*plonk*
--
Steven
--
On 13/08/2014 11:42, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
know who you are replying to.
That's what the References:-Header is there for.
The References header is for the benefit
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of package management and/or installers.
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is
an entirely
Linux was made by geeks who didn't have a clue of ergonomics for
screenworkers and didn't care to get one.
I can only repeat what you said earlier:
You should get a clue in stead [sic] of just fantasizing up
assumptions based on ignorance.
I daresay that Linus Torvalds spends more
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:08:43 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but deleting
their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we know who you
are replying to.
That's what the References:-Header is there for.
Sincerely,
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:37 PM, alister
alister.nospam.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:08:43 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but deleting
their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we know who you
are
On 11/08/2014 10:08, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
know who you are replying to.
That's what the References:-Header is there for.
Sincerely,
Wolfgang
The references
On 2014-08-06, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any packages or
installers to use it.
For people who have never used such a system it's probably difficult
to see
On 2014-08-11, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
[somebody, but we don't know who, wrote]...
By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
know who you are replying to.
That's what the
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
know who you are replying to.
That's what the References:-Header is there for.
The References header is for the benefit of news and mail
On 2014-08-12 10:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes
While I find this true for first-level attribution, I feel far less
obligation to attribute additional levels (and the verbosity they
entail). If the reader is really that interested in who said
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:27:25 -0500, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2014-08-12 10:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes
While I find this true for first-level attribution, I feel far less
obligation to attribute additional levels (and the verbosity they
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
I cannot disagree with that. I consider that the first-level attribution
MUST be given, second-level SHOULD be given, and third- and subsequent
levels MAY be given, where MUST/SHOULD/MAY have their conventional
On 2014-08-12 02:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes
While I find this true for first-level attribution, I feel far
less obligation to attribute additional levels (and the verbosity
they entail).
I cannot disagree with that. I consider
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of package management and/or installers.
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
entirely self-contained
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any packages or
installers to use it.
For people who have never used such a system it's probably difficult
to see the advantages.
That's the whole point.
The problem is
I've worked with both. Quite honestly, I really wish that other
operating systems had gone down this route. MS didn't possibly to make
it harder to steal software,
From the perspective of the computer-literate, proficient
screenworker, MS always got and gets everything completely wrong.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of package management and/or installers.
Because on such operating
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:38:22 PM UTC-4, Ben Finney wrote:
Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes:
No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much
of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch.
There are many large companies still using
On 8/6/2014 9:47 AM, beliav...@aol.com.dmarc.invalid wrote:
Fortran compiler vendors such as Intel, IBM, Oracle/SUN and open
*Vendors* sell compilers for money, which they can then use to *pay*
people to do unfun stuff that volunteers don't want and should not have
to do.
Actually, I am
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 8/6/2014 9:47 AM, beliav...@aol.com.dmarc.invalid wrote:
Fortran compiler vendors such as Intel, IBM, Oracle/SUN and open
*Vendors* sell compilers for money, which they can then use to *pay*
people to do unfun stuff that volunteers don't want and should not have
to
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
Linux was made by geeks who didn't have a clue of ergonomics for
screenworkers and didn't care to get one.
I can only repeat what you said earlier:
You should get a clue in stead [sic] of just fantasizing up assumptions
based on ignorance.
I daresay that Linus Torvalds
beliav...@aol.com wrote:
Fortran compiler vendors such as Intel, IBM, Oracle/SUN and open source
projects such as gfortran are updating their compilers to the Fortran 2003
and 2008 standards while also keeping the ability to compile all the old
Fortran code. FORTRAN 77 programmers and
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Unfortunately, software development on Windows is something of a
ghetto, compared to the wide range of free tools available for Linux.
Outside of a few oases like Microsoft's own commercial development
tools, it's hard to do
Duncan Booth wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Unfortunately, software development on Windows is something of a
ghetto, compared to the wide range of free tools available for Linux.
I remember writing this. But I don't remember when it was. Presumably some
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Duncan Booth wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Unfortunately, software development on Windows is something of a
ghetto, compared to the wide range of free tools available for
Linux.
I
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Duncan Booth duncan.booth@invalid.invalid
wrote:
So far they seem to have kept a pretty low profile; I suspect largely
because until recently PTVS only worked with the pay versions of Visual
Studio.
Not true. When it didn't work with the free express versions
Am 03.08.2014 02:04, schrieb Gregory Ewing:
MRAB wrote:
RISC OS didn't have a menu bar at the top of each window either; its
menus were all pop-up. You didn't have to keep flicking the mouse at
all!
The main reason for having a menu bar is discoverability. The
idea is that you can browse
RIck,
On 7/17/14, 2:15 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with
rebukes about me whining. The powers that be would wise
to*UTILIZE* and*ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of
*IGNORING* valuable talent and*IMPEDING* the expansion of
this private
On 7/16/2014 7:27 AM, Frank Millman wrote:
I just tried an experiment in my own project. Ned Batchelder, in his
Pragmatic Unicode presentation, http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html,
suggests that you always have some unicode characters in your data, just to
ensure that they are handled
On Sat, Aug 02, Gregory Ewing wrote:
MacOSX doesn't currently have an automatic dependency
manager, but if it did, things would still be a lot neater
and tidier than they are in Linux or Windows, where what
is conceptually a single object (a package) gets split up
and its parts scattered
Chris Angelico wrote:
The easier target for the mouse argument is valuable ONLY
when you use the mouse to access the menu bar. If you use the keyboard
(and take advantage of mnemonic letters), it's much more useful to
have the menu bar attached to its window.
Seems to me that if you use the
Olaf Hering wrote:
How does a package differ? Its a package here and there.
Just use the correct tools to inspect a package, like
'rpm -qliv $package' to see what a package is all about.
Splitting the package up creates a problem, which you
then need to invent a special tool to solve. Seems to
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
The easier target for the mouse argument is valuable ONLY
when you use the mouse to access the menu bar. If you use the keyboard
(and take advantage of mnemonic letters), it's much more
On 2014-08-02 01:00, Gregory Ewing wrote:
MRAB wrote:
[snip]
And don't mention the menu bar across the top, separated from the
window to which it belonged.
That seems to be a matter of taste. There are some advantages to the
menu-bar-at-top model. It's an easier target to hit, because you
In article c42o1nfbrq...@mid.individual.net,
Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
And don't mention the menu bar across the top, separated from the
window to which it belonged.
That seems to be a matter of taste. There are some
advantages to the menu-bar-at-top model. It's an
MRAB wrote:
RISC OS didn't have a menu bar at the top of each window either; its
menus were all pop-up. You didn't have to keep flicking the mouse at
all!
The main reason for having a menu bar is discoverability. The
idea is that you can browse through the menus and get a feel
for what
Chris Angelico wrote:
It's a little awkward when you have
an invoicing screen and you put something like PO Shipping as your
customer name, and suddenly Alt-O takes you someplace different.
An app that did that would be seriously broken, wouldn't it?
The should only be interpreted that way in
Roy Smith wrote:
These days, I'm running multiple 24 inch monitors. The single menu bar
paradigm starts to break down in an environment like that.
Yes, that's an issue. However, even on a large screen, most of
my windows are at least half a screen high, putting their tops
a considerable
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
It's a little awkward when you have
an invoicing screen and you put something like PO Shipping as your
customer name, and suddenly Alt-O takes you someplace different.
An app that did
Windows and OS X users, sadly, miss out on the power of an integrated
package manager.
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of package management and/or installers.
Because on such
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of package management and/or installers.
Because on such operating
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Nicholas Cole nicholas.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, that's not right. RiscOS had and OS X has (I'm sure the
others do as well) a concept that is similar to a shared library. But
the joy of an application bundle is that installing an application
does not
Am 01.08.2014 13:10, schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any packages or
installers to use it.
For people who have never used such a system it's probably difficult to see
the advantages.
On 08/01/2014 08:39 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
The installer has basically three choices.
1) Install libnettle inside the application directory
2) Install libnettle to some system library directory
3) Don't install libnettle, and demand that someone else (perhaps the
user, or the system
On 2014-08-01 18:16, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
Am 01.08.2014 13:10, schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any packages or
installers to use it.
For people who have never used such a
Chris Angelico wrote:
The installer has basically three choices.
1) Install libnettle inside the application directory
2) Install libnettle to some system library directory
3) Don't install libnettle, and demand that someone else (perhaps the
user, or the system package manager) install it.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 08/01/2014 08:39 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
The installer has basically three choices.
1) Install libnettle inside the application directory
2) Install libnettle to some system library directory
3) Don't install
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
The installer has basically three choices.
1) Install libnettle inside the application directory
2) Install libnettle to some system library directory
3) Don't install libnettle, and demand
MRAB wrote:
I'd heard people say how user-friendly Apple Macs were, but when I got
to use one I was somewhat disappointed.
Well, they were compared to MS-DOS and the like, which was
all that was within reach of the general public when the
first Mac appeared. RISCOS came along somewhat later.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
MRAB wrote:
in MacOS, even if I had a directory window open, I had to navigate to the
directory in the Save dialog.
Yes, that was annoying. It wasn't a problem to begin with,
because the original Mac was
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:16:45 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
In unix and linux, there never was a separate text mode for files. When
you open a file, you open a file -- and stuff bytes in it. There is no
commonly accepted text file encoding. UTF-8 comes close to being a
standard,
On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:53:02 AM UTC+8, C.D. Reimer wrote:
On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found
the standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to
be bare- bones but usable for testing
Earlier, I mentioned a considerable number of IDEs which are available
for Python, including:
PyDev, Eric, Komodo, PyCharm, WingIDE, SPE, Ninja-IDE, Geany, IEP,
Spyder, Boa Constructor, PyScripter, NetBeans, Emacs, KDevelop, and
BlackAdder.
On Friday, July 18, 2014 8:21:36 PM UTC-5, Terry Reedy wrote:
What ancient version, or oddball system are you using? For
me, Win 7, both 2.7.8 and 3.4.1 CONTROL+LEFT_ARROW and
the cursor is before the 'a' of [ abc]. The HOME key
goes to the same place first, and they before on the
second
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Rick Johnson
rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
On versions 2.7.2 and 3.2.2 CONTROL+LEFT_ARROW is landing
*properly* in front of the prompt, so apparently that bug was
fixed since last i checked, my apologies for being ignorant
of the situation, but you should
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
However, a *bare* HOME_KEY press is placing the insertion
cursor *BEHIND* the prompt of the current line. In a shell
environment, you never want to be *BEHIND* the command
prompt.
I don't know about the old versions,
On 7/19/2014 12:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Earlier, I mentioned a considerable number of IDEs which are available
for Python, including:
I prefer to use Notepad++ (Windows) and TextWrangler (Mac). Text editors
with code highlighting can get the job done as well, especially if the
project
On 7/19/2014 3:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
So why does Python ship with IDLE?
On Windows the Idle shell is needed for sensible interactive use. For
simply editing a Python file, running it, and fixing it, the Idle editor
seems *about* as good as anything.
It's not because Python
[A missed point from my last reply...]
Terry Reedy said:
I believe there is a proposal to be able to clear the
shell window. We just need to add Clear and restart
shell.
A command that allows clearing the *entire* shell display
and also resets the global and local symbol tables,
*WITHOUT*
On 20 July 2014 04:08, C.D. Reimer ch...@cdreimer.com wrote:
On 7/19/2014 12:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Earlier, I mentioned a considerable number of IDEs which are available
for Python, including:
I prefer to use Notepad++ (Windows) and TextWrangler (Mac). Text editors
with code
[A missed point from my last reply...]
Terry Reedy said:
I believe there is a proposal to be able to clear the
shell window. We just need to add Clear and restart
shell.
A command that allows a user to clear the *ENTIRE* shell
IO and *ALSO* resets the global and local symbol tables
*WITHOUT*
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
However, a *bare* HOME_KEY press is placing the insertion
cursor *BEHIND* the prompt of the current line. In a shell
environment, you never want to
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Rick Johnson
rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
To solve this dilemma in *MY* command shell, i use the
ALT+UP_ARROW to delete everything from the last command
prompt to the end of the text buffer. I think IDLE needs
both functionality!
Okay, now I understand
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Tim Delaney
timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO there is no project so modest that it doesn't require version control.
Especially since version control is as simple as:
cd project
hg init
hg add
hg commit
That said, though, there are some projects so
On 7/19/2014 6:50 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
[A missed point from my last reply...]
Terry Reedy said:
I believe there is a proposal to be able to clear the
shell window. We just need to add Clear and restart
shell.
# In order to prevent confusion with the typical edit-#
# undo
On 20 July 2014 09:19, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Tim Delaney
timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO there is no project so modest that it doesn't require version
control.
Especially since version control is as simple as:
cd project
hg
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Tim Delaney
timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 July 2014 09:19, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
That said, though, there are some projects so modest they don't
require dedicated repositories. I have a repo called shed - it's a
collection of
On 7/19/2014 5:41 PM, Tim Delaney wrote:
The main thing is that versioning should be automatic now - it's
almost free, and the benefits are huge because even trivial scripts
end up evolving.
I keep my modest Python scripts in a Dropbox directory and run a weekly
Python script to zip up the
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:31:10 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/19/2014 3:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
So why does Python ship with IDLE?
On Windows the Idle shell is needed for sensible interactive use.
One might say that *some* IDE is needed, but Idle itself isn't
compulsory :-)
It also
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
If I recall correctly, it [Python under cmd.exe] is
missing any sort of command history or line editing other than backspace,
Not quite, but it has some extreme oddities. I'd have to call them
features
On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found
the standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to
be bare- bones but usable for testing short snippets. If I recall
correctly, it is missing any sort of
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
For Python users, the IDEs from
Wingware and Activestate are notable:
https://wingware.com/
http://komodoide.com/
I would say that since PyCharm (https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/) now
On 7/19/2014 7:03 PM, TP wrote:
I would say that since PyCharm (https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/)
now has a free Community Edition it is an even more notable IDE as the
above two programs cost $.
PyCharm look really nice as an IDE. Thanks for the heads up.
Chris Reimer
--
On 20 July 2014 11:53, C.D. Reimer ch...@cdreimer.com wrote:
On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found the
standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to be bare-
bones but usable for testing short
Chris Angelico wrote:
Other people had, for instance, a C:\BELFRY (best place to have BATs,
you know), or other such names. What's your favorite
directory/repository name for a concretion of ... random stuff?
My project directories typically contain a directory
called Attic for putting stuff
On 18/07/2014 01:45, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 2014.07.17 19:26, Mark Lawrence wrote:
I'm looking forward to see the massive number of fixes that come from
rr, assuming of course that he signs the CLA to make this possible. Or
has he already done so?
Maybe he's too busy working on RickPy 4000
On 18/07/2014 03:24, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rick Johnson :
Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact
woefully inadequate and should be embarrassing to the
whole community, both in it's buggy-ness and it's poorly
written
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Rick Johnson
rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:15:15 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
For myself, though, I completely do not use the editor half of [IDLE]; but
it's spectacularly useful (with limitations) as my primary interactive
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes Chris, i also think that the IDLE shell is spectacular
when i'm using it, especially when i press
CONTROL+LEFT_ARROW and the insertion cursor lands *BEHIND*
the start of the interactive command marker , an
area where
On 2014-07-18, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/2014 1:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
There will never be a Python 2.8. When push comes to shove, the people
bitching about Python 3 will not do the work necessary to fork Python 2.7
and make a version 2.8.
+1
The idea that forking and
On 2014-07-18, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rick Johnson :
Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact woefully
inadequate and should be embarrassing to the whole community, both in
it's buggy-ness
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:
But, I do know that a
decent, civilized person just doesn't make insulting comments like
that about somebody else's work even if it is true (which I very much
doubt).
Now, _that's_ funny. This is the internet. If
Hallöchen!
Larry Martell writes:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:
But, I do know that a decent, civilized person just doesn't make
insulting comments like that about somebody else's work even if
it is true (which I very much doubt).
Now,
On 18/07/2014 04:01, alex23 wrote:
On 18/07/2014 10:45 AM, Andrew Berg wrote:
Maybe he's too busy working on RickPy 4000 (or whatever it was called).
I believe the new working name is PypeDream.
For me a very good day just got better with that one, thanks :)
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask
On 2014-07-18 04:37, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:15:15 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
For myself, though, I completely do not use the editor half of [IDLE]; but
it's spectacularly useful (with limitations) as my primary interactive
interpreter.
Yes Chris, i also think
On 18/07/2014 04:37, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:15:15 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
For myself, though, I completely do not use the editor half of [IDLE]; but
it's spectacularly useful (with limitations) as my primary interactive
interpreter.
Yes Chris, i also think
On 18/07/2014 09:27, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes Chris, i also think that the IDLE shell is spectacular
when i'm using it, especially when i press
CONTROL+LEFT_ARROW and the insertion cursor lands *BEHIND*
the start of the
On 18/07/2014 16:46, MRAB wrote:
On 2014-07-18 04:37, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:15:15 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
For myself, though, I completely do not use the editor half of
[IDLE]; but
it's spectacularly useful (with limitations) as my primary interactive
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:36:43 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:48:38 AM UTC-5, alex23 wrote:
PHP regularly breaks compatibility between _minor_ version releases:
[...] more so with major releases: [...] yet I never see anywhere near
as much angst and agony as Python 3.x
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:15:59 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:12:23 AM UTC-5, Fabien wrote:
For non-informatic students [...] I don't think that's true. Less
general languages like Matlab appear much easier to me: unified doc,
unified IDE, unified debugger
I'll agree
On 18/07/2014 19:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:15:59 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:
Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with rebukes about
me whining.
Why don't you go volunteer to fix a few IDLE bugs, instead of just
demanding that others do it?
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:13:44 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2014 2:15 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: a partial disinformation rant
again Idle that repeats things said before, more than once.
[...]
Thanks for the detailed explanation Terry, and especially thanks for the
good work you have done on
On 2014-07-18 19:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:15:59 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:12:23 AM UTC-5, Fabien wrote:
For non-informatic students [...] I don't think that's true. Less
general languages like Matlab appear much easier to me: unified
doc,
On Friday, July 18, 2014 1:20:10 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
PyDev, Eric, Komodo, PyCharm, WingIDE, SPE, Ninja-IDE,
Geany, IEP, Spyder, Boa Constructor, PyScripter, NetBeans,
Emacs, KDevelop, BlackAdder, ...
And tell me Steven, how many of those quality IDEs that
you listed actually
On 7/18/14 5:37 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Friday, July 18, 2014 1:20:10 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
PyDev, Eric, Komodo, PyCharm, WingIDE, SPE, Ninja-IDE,
Geany, IEP, Spyder, Boa Constructor, PyScripter, NetBeans,
Emacs, KDevelop, BlackAdder, ...
And tell me Steven, how many of those
On 7/17/2014 8:26 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 18/07/2014 01:13, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2014 2:15 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
a partial disinformation rant again Idle
that repeats things said before, more than once.
Still more facts ;-). About three (four?) years ago, you posted a
similar rant.
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