Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:07:37 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/31/2018 11:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > >> Do you really think people in Somalia can afford theses things like in >> the US? > > No, many cannot afford $600 Caddilac-style phones to take 10 megapixel > pictures and watch UTube

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 10:58:51 -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote: > Hi, > > I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is > willing to discontinue using and developing Python 2 softwares, does > that mean we are stopping to support standard computers and laptops as > well? That

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

Grant Edwards wrote: > Etienne Robillard wrote: > > > Do you understand that a modern mobile device typically > > require a Internet subscription and an additional > > subscription for the smart phone? > > Huh? What is "an internet subscription"? Why would you > need two of them if all you

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On 3/31/2018 11:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: Do you really think people in Somalia can afford theses things like in the US? No, many cannot afford $600 Caddilac-style phones to take 10 megapixel pictures and watch UTube videos. Instead they buy $100 VWBug-style phones that let them get

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On 2018-03-31, Etienne Robillard wrote: > Are you trolling? Do you understand that a modern mobile device > typically require a Internet subscription and an additional subscription > for the smart phone? Huh? What is "an internet subscription"? Why would you need two of

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Mar 31, 2018 09:58, "Etienne Robillard" wrote: Le 2018-03-31 à 11:40, Michael Torrie a écrit : > On 03/31/2018 08:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > >> I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is >> willing to discontinue using and developing Python

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

På Sat, 31 Mar 2018 11:58:39 -0400 Etienne Robillard skrev: > Are you trolling? Do you understand that a modern mobile device > typically require a Internet subscription and an additional subscription > for the smart phone? I think the question is why you equate python3

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On 31/03/2018 16:58, Etienne Robillard wrote: Le 2018-03-31 à 11:40, Michael Torrie a écrit : On 03/31/2018 08:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is willing to discontinue using and developing Python 2 softwares, does   that mean we

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 2:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > > Le 2018-03-31 à 11:40, Michael Torrie a écrit : >> >> On 03/31/2018 08:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: >>> >>> I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is >>> willing to discontinue using and

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

Le 2018-03-31 à 11:40, Michael Torrie a écrit : On 03/31/2018 08:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is willing to discontinue using and developing Python 2 softwares, does that mean we are stopping to support standard computers and

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On 03/31/2018 08:58 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is > willing to discontinue using and developing Python 2 softwares, does > that mean we are stopping to support standard computers and laptops > as well? I've tried several times

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

Hi, I was just wondering, could the fact that the Python community is willing to discontinue using and developing Python 2 softwares, does that mean we are stopping to support standard computers and laptops as well? Furthermore, does it bother you to develop code primarly oriented towards

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Saturday 31 March 2018 10:16:13 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:29 AM, Rick Johnson > > wrote: > > On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Wanna provide some competing information showing that other > >> languages

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:29 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Wanna provide some competing information showing that other >> languages are more used? > > Chris, here is how debate works: > > PersonA

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Under no circumstance is PersonB required to prove PersonA'a > assertions. The onerous is on PersonA. Assertion: Rick doesn't know what "onerous" means. Under no circumstance is Rick required to prove me

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: [...] > You can pooh-pooh any statistic. Yeah, except the ones supported by actual _facts_. > So far, though, you have provided NO statistics of your > own, just your own gut feeling. Uh huh. And what do you call drawing

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:39:48 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Paul Rubin : >> All the scripts that say #!/usr/bin/python at the top will still use >> python2. > > Which is how it should be till the end of times. Don't be silly -- they should use Python 1, of course, as

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:32:31 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Paul Rubin : > >> Marko Rauhamaa writes: >>> Yes, RHEL, CentOS and OracleLinux still only support Python2. It may >>> be another year before Python3 becomes available on them. >> >> Debian's

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

Paul Rubin : > All the scripts that say #!/usr/bin/python at the top will still use > python2. Which is how it should be till the end of times. Unfortunately, ArchLinux decided otherwise, which has caused quite a bit of grief in the office, where a coworker uses it. We

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

Paul Rubin : > Marko Rauhamaa writes: >> Yes, RHEL, CentOS and OracleLinux still only support Python2. It may >> be another year before Python3 becomes available on them. > > Debian's default Python is also Python2. I don't say it *only* > supports

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:51:22 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Ian Kelly > wrote: >> You really think that 90% of the active users are trolls? And yet the >> subreddit remains usable despite that allegedly terrible >> signal-to-noise ratio. > >

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> You really think that 90% of the active users are trolls? And yet the >> subreddit remains usable despite that allegedly terrible >>

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > You really think that 90% of the active users are trolls? And yet the > subreddit remains usable despite that allegedly terrible > signal-to-noise ratio. I'm now laughing at the image of a large community of trolls

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 7:44:40 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > [...] >> Reddit's /ruby subreddit: 40,571 subscribers. >> >> Reddit's /python subreddit: 230,858 subscribers. > > Those numbers mean nothing

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 7:44:40 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > [...] >> Reddit's /ruby subreddit: 40,571 subscribers. >> >> Reddit's /python subreddit: 230,858 subscribers. > > Those numbers mean

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 7:44:40 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [...] > Reddit's /ruby subreddit: 40,571 subscribers. > > Reddit's /python subreddit: 230,858 subscribers. Those numbers mean nothing unless you can prove all two- hundred-thirty-odd thousand of them to be active, non- tolling,

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:18:57 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote: > My suspicion is that not only are the overall numbers of Python > programmers on the decline Python's popularity went up from #5 to #4 between March 2017 and 2018 on TIOBE: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ But of course Rick knows

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 00:42:31 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Paul Rubin : >> Terry Reedy writes: >>> 2017 25% 2.x, 75% 3.x >>> This is a bigger jump than I anticipated. >> >> It's interesting and surprising. I still have not encountered anyone >> using

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:45:10 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > https://www.jetbrains.com/research/python-developers-survey-2017/ “Which > version of Python do you use the most?” > 2014 80% 2.x, 20% 3.x > 2016 60% 2.x, 40% 3.x > 2017 25% 2.x, 75% 3.x > > This is a bigger jump than I anticipated.

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 10:45:35 AM UTC-5, Terry Reedy wrote: > https://www.jetbrains.com/research/python-developers-survey-2017/ > “Which version of Python do you use the most?” > 2014 80% 2.x, 20% 3.x > 2016 60% 2.x, 40% 3.x > 2017 25% 2.x, 75% 3.x > > This is a bigger jump than I

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

Paul Rubin : > Terry Reedy writes: >> 2017 25% 2.x, 75% 3.x >> This is a bigger jump than I anticipated. > > It's interesting and surprising. I still have not encountered anyone > using Python 3 in real life. The main Linux distros still use Python 2 >

Re: Python Developer Survey: Python 3 usage overtakes Python 2 usage

On 30 March 2018 at 16:45, Terry Reedy wrote: > https://www.jetbrains.com/research/python-developers-survey-2017/ > “Which version of Python do you use the most?” > 2014 80% 2.x, 20% 3.x > 2016 60% 2.x, 40% 3.x > 2017 25% 2.x, 75% 3.x > > This is a bigger jump than I