Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 3 April 2017 at 19:55, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > I didn't see you calling out Rick for his prejudice against those who aren't > American, his absurd belief that "most" people are satisfied with ASCII, Hmm... that is interesting. Everyone has some beliefs... If I

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Saturday, 1 April 2017 17:01:03 UTC+1, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:17 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > > > Most people just quietly change the filename and move on > > > There are over a billion people in China, almost a billion more in India, > about 140 million people in

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 3:49:43 PM UTC-5, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 02 April 2017 12:26:40 Steve D'Aprano wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 04:41 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > > > On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > > > > > > > > example of the Ugly American. > > > > > > As an

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > D'Aprano, are you still stewing because Donald J Trump > spanked Hillary's jumbo sized bottom like an unruly > stepchild? You poor widdle partisian hack. I almost feel > sorry for you. > > [snip massively long

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 04:41 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: example of the Ugly American. As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of an ugly ethno-centric stereotype. I'm

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 04:41 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > > > > > example of the Ugly American. > > > > As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of > > an ugly

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 9:32:17 PM UTC-5, MRAB wrote: > Sometimes he mentions MUDs, sometimes he mentions Pike, but at least he > doesn't rant. I have not even _begun_ to rant. Yet... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

OFF-TOPIC Bigotry on the list [was Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)]

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:31 am, Terry Reedy wrote: [...] > I refrained because it would be off-topic and a diversion from my point: > all bigotry is inappropriate here on this list, Indeed it is not appropriate. But calling out bigotry is not itself bigotry. I hope you agree with that. If not,

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 4/2/2017 12:26 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 04:41 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: example of the Ugly American. As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of an ugly ethno-centric stereotype. I'm glad you didn't try to

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday 02 April 2017 12:26:40 Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 04:41 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > >> example of the Ugly American. > > > > As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of an ugly > > ethno-centric stereotype. > >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 04:41 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > >> example of the Ugly American. > > As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of an ugly > ethno-centric stereotype. I'm glad you didn't try to describe it as a *unfair* or

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bartc wrote: > But people, when unrestrained, will /always/ want to do something that may > not be practical. For example, why bother with the separate concepts > 'filename' and 'file'; just have the file contents /as/ the filename! If > there are

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 01/04/2017 22:35, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Chris Angelico : there is no way within Python to have a string that can represent two strings, which is what directory separators do. Really? Try: >>> repr(("a", "b")) "('a', 'b')" There! A string that represents two

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Christian Gollwitzer : > Am 01.04.17 um 19:38 schrieb Steve D'Aprano: >> Next: convince keyboard manufacturers to move the caret from SHIFT-6 >> to a plain, unshifted key. Buggared if I'm going to hit shift every >> time I want to use an absolute path... > > ...which is reality

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Am 01.04.17 um 19:38 schrieb Steve D'Aprano: ^home^steve^document.txt I'm sure I'd get used to it in a few years... Next: convince keyboard manufacturers to move the caret from SHIFT-6 to a plain, unshifted key. Buggared if I'm going to hit shift every time I want to use an absolute path...

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > >> example of the Ugly American. > > > As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of an ugly > ethno-centric stereotype. There are ugly Americans and there are

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 4/1/2017 12:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: example of the Ugly American. As an American I resent your promotion and perpetuation of an ugly ethno-centric stereotype. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:42 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 9:18:14 PM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > [...] >> Even India has a literacy rate of 74%, which is not far off >> the functional literacy rate in the US of 86%. >> >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 04/01/2017 08:18 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> And yet America continues to be emulated by 100% of the world. > > Well, at least 100% of the world that you know of. Which isn't saying much. I plonked RR a long time ago, but this little doozie requires a reply! Having just traveled half way

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 9:18:14 PM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: [...] > Even India has a literacy rate of 74%, which is not far off > the functional literacy rate in the US of 86%. > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/illiteracy-rate_n_3880355.html And your source is the HuffPo?

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2017-04-02 02:38, Rick Johnson wrote: On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 3:08:20 PM UTC-5, Mikhail V wrote: On 1 April 2017 at 06:38, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:14:54 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > > - and making band names look ǨØØĻ

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 09:11 am, Rick Johnson wrote: > The majority of the populations you reference are > illiterate. /face-palm The majority of Chinese and Japanese are illiterate. Really? Even India has a literacy rate of 74%, which is not far off the functional literacy rate in the US of 86%.

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 3:08:20 PM UTC-5, Mikhail V wrote: > On 1 April 2017 at 06:38, Rick Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:14:54 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > > > > - and making band names look ǨØØĻ and annoy old fuddy- > > > duddies. >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2 April 2017 at 02:01, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> On 2 April 2017 at 00:22, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Mikhail V wrote: For

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > On 2 April 2017 at 00:22, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >>> For multiple-alphabet rendering I will use some >>> custom text format, e.g.

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2 April 2017 at 00:22, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> For multiple-alphabet rendering I will use some >> custom text format, e.g. with tags >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 11:01:03 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:17 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > > > Most people just quietly change the filename and move on > > There are over a billion people in China, almost a billion > more in India, about 140 million people in

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > For multiple-alphabet rendering I will use some > custom text format, e.g. with tags >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 1 April 2017 at 18:00, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:17 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> Most people just quietly change the filename and move on > > > There are over a billion people in China, almost a billion more in India, > about 140 million people

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: > Chris Angelico writes: >>Yes it can; however, there is no way within Python to have a string >>that can represent two strings, which is what directory separators do. > > To represent two strings,

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >> there is no way within Python to have a string that can represent two >> strings, which is what directory separators do. > > Really? Try: > >>>> repr(("a", "b")) >"('a', 'b')"

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 1 April 2017 at 22:57, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> On 1 April 2017 at 06:38, Rick Johnson wrote: >>> On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:14:54 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Chris Angelico : > there is no way within Python to have a string that can represent two > strings, which is what directory separators do. Really? Try: >>> repr(("a", "b")) "('a', 'b')" There! A string that represents two strings. Note, however, that Python programs

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> A far more convenient escaping scheme could have been devised for >>> pathnames. >> >> Definitely. We

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Chris Angelico : > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> A far more convenient escaping scheme could have been devised for >> pathnames. > > Definitely. We should treat file names like domain names. "Bücher.ch" > gets represented internally

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > You are stuck with the axiom that pathname and its representation are > one and the same thing. > > URI's make the distinction clear. Say you wanted to express a resource > >päätyö/2 > > as part of a URI. URIs are to

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > On 1 April 2017 at 06:38, Rick Johnson wrote: >> On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:14:54 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > >>> - and making band names look ǨØØĻ and annoy old fuddy- >>> duddies.

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Steve D'Aprano : > But if I could borrow Guido's time machine, I'd go back and convince > the file system people to use ^ as the record separator, rather than > slash or backslash or colon. Caret is *much* less likely to be useful > in file names than forward slash

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 1 April 2017 at 06:38, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:14:54 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> - and making band names look ǨØØĻ and annoy old fuddy- >> duddies. > > So now we've even included graffiti artists in our little > "inclusivity

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2017-04-01 17:43, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Steve D'Aprano : Open your eyes, there is a whole world past the borders of your insular, close-minded little country. 95% of the world is not American, and there are millions of Americans who want to use non-ASCII

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > Or, for Windows, I suppose a dozen or so more characters: > > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Invalid-characters-in-file-or-folder-names-or-invalid- >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2017-04-01 19:43, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > It would be nice to be able to use a / in my file names. Funny > enough, I'm allowed to use a zillion unprintable characters in my > file names but no slashes allowed. > > Example: > >results-Q2/2017.json You can: $ touch $(/usr/bin/printf

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2017-04-02 03:09, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > *Whatever* record separator you choose to use, whether it is > slash / or backslash \ or colon : or Ctrl-^ RS or U+113A HANGUL > CHOSEONG SIOS-PHIEUPH, you can't *also* use it as a non-record > separator. Well, one could use 0x1C (FS=File Separator)

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 03:18 am, Alain Ketterlin wrote: > Marko Rauhamaa writes: > >> It would be nice to be able to use a / in my file names. Funny enough, >> I'm allowed to use a zillion unprintable characters in my file names but >> no slashes allowed. >> >> Example: >> >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 03:08 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> It would be nice to be able to use a / in my file names. Funny >>> enough, I'm allowed to use a zillion unprintable characters

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Marko Rauhamaa writes: > It would be nice to be able to use a / in my file names. Funny enough, > I'm allowed to use a zillion unprintable characters in my file names but > no slashes allowed. > > Example: > >results-Q2/2017.json Use U+2215 (DIVISION SLASH). I have tried

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Steve D'Aprano : >> >>> Open your eyes, there is a whole world past the borders of your insular, >>> close-minded

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Chris Angelico : > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> It would be nice to be able to use a / in my file names. Funny >> enough, I'm allowed to use a zillion unprintable characters in my >> file names but no slashes allowed. >> >> Example:

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 02:43 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Steve D'Aprano : > >> Open your eyes, there is a whole world past the borders of your insular, >> close-minded little country. 95% of the world is not American, and there >> are millions of Americans who want to use

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Steve D'Aprano : > >> Open your eyes, there is a whole world past the borders of your insular, >> close-minded little country. 95% of the world is not American, and there >> are millions of

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

Steve D'Aprano : > Open your eyes, there is a whole world past the borders of your insular, > close-minded little country. 95% of the world is not American, and there > are millions of Americans who want to use non-ASCII characters in their > file names, even non-Latin

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:17 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > Most people just quietly change the filename and move on There are over a billion people in China, almost a billion more in India, about 140 million people in Russia, nearly 130 million people in Japan, 250 million in Indonesia, about 290

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: >> - distinguishing between different letters of the alphabet, >> like dotted-i and dotless-ı (or ı and ı-with-a-dot, if you >> prefer), or a and å; > > Sounds like the "encoding in question" could use a few more >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 9:14:54 AM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 03:21 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > >> > On 26 March

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 2:58:53 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:53:35 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Steve D'Aprano > >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 12:43:59 AM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Except that it doesn't actually take very much work to call >> on someone else's library, which is what you get when you >> use Unicode

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 12:43:59 AM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > Except that it doesn't actually take very much work to call > on someone else's library, which is what you get when you > use Unicode properly. (At least, assuming you're using a > decent language like Python, which comes

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 30/03/17 16:57, Mikhail V wrote: Steve, it is not bad to want to spell your name using spelling which was taught you in the school. But it is bad to stay in illusion that there is something good in using accents. *plonk* -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd --

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 30 March 2017 at 16:14, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 03:21 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >>> > On 26 March

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 03/30/2017 08:14 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> Why is it my responsibiliy to encode my text with >> pronuciation tutorials? Are we adults here or what? > > Now you're just being absurd. Ahh yes, good old RR with his reductio ad absurdum fallacies when he's lost the argument. --

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:25 am, Mikhail V wrote: > >> Call me a bigot > > Okay. You're a bigot. +1 QOTD ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:25 am, Mikhail V wrote: > Call me a bigot Okay. You're a bigot. -- Steve “Cheer up,” they said, “things could be worse.” So I cheered up, and sure enough, things got worse. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 03:21 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> > On 26 March 2017 at 20:10, Steve D'Aprano >> > wrote: >> >> On

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 30 March 2017 at 07:43, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Rick Johnson > wrote: >> On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> > On 26 March 2017 at 20:10, Steve D'Aprano

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 6:42:36 PM UTC-5, Mikhail V wrote: > And all text I currently read on my monitor are prerendered > bitmaps, refined manually for frequently used sizes, and > that is how it should be made. IOW there are much more > important aspects than the ability to scale a text

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > > On 26 March 2017 at 20:10, Steve D'Aprano > > wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:57 am, Mikhail V wrote: > I generally

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Steve D'Aprano > wrote: > [...] So, for instance, Eryk Sun commented that my rounded > box example didn't render correctly in all fonts - but in > the future, a new

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 2017-03-27 02:37, Chris Angelico wrote: > > In DOS, (I don't remember if in all versions or only some) > > one could do all this and this opens very rich possibilities for > > approximating of objects with tiles. The only limitations > > that one uses 255 tiles, but even this enables to build >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 26 March 2017 at 21:53, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> On 26 March 2017 at 20:10, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:57 am, Mikhail V wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 6:57 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > In actual UCS-2, surrogates are entirely disallowed; in UTF-16, they *must* be > correctly paired. Strictly-speaking UCS-2 disallows codes that aren't defined by the standard, but the kernel couldn't be that

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > On 26 March 2017 at 20:10, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:57 am, Mikhail V wrote: >> >> [...] > And more important: can one use binary (bitmap) fonts in default modern >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 26 March 2017 at 20:10, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:57 am, Mikhail V wrote: > > [...] And more important: can one use binary (bitmap) fonts in default modern linux console? If yes, can one patch them with custom tiles at the

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:37 AM, eryk sun wrote: > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> The Windows console can render any character in the BMP, but it >>> requires configuring font linking for fallback fonts. It's Windows, so >>> of

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, eryk sun wrote: > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Rounded corners? >> >> ╭─┬─╮ >> ├─┼─┤ >> ╰─┴─╯ > > This prints fine in the Windows console with Consolas as the font, but > the older Courier New and

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> The Windows console can render any character in the BMP, but it >> requires configuring font linking for fallback fonts. It's Windows, so >> of course the supported UTF format is UTF-16. The console's UTF-8 >> support

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:10 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> And for own standalone app, I would not use any TTF or >> anything vector-based font, since why? > > Right, because your users will *love* to see their native language displayed > in a crappy bitmapped font with

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:37 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Just use Unicode. Everything else, these days, is a subset of Unicode >> anyway. Unless you're stuck on the default Windows shell/terminal, you >> should

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:57 am, Mikhail V wrote: [...] >>> And more important: can one use binary (bitmap) fonts in default modern >>> linux console? If yes, can one patch them with custom tiles at >>> the application start? >> >> If you really need something completely custom, it's not text any >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:38 AM, eryk sun wrote: > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Just use Unicode. Everything else, these days, is a subset of Unicode >> anyway. Unless you're stuck on the default Windows shell/terminal, you >>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Rounded corners? > > ╭─┬─╮ > ├─┼─┤ > ╰─┴─╯ This prints fine in the Windows console with Consolas as the font, but the older Courier New and Lucida Console fonts lack glyphs for the rounded corners. --

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:37 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Mikhail V wrote: Why? IIRC I can do good pseudographics on linux only with extended unicode character sets, so yes it is possible, is that what you mean? >>> >>> No. The same

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Just use Unicode. Everything else, these days, is a subset of Unicode > anyway. Unless you're stuck on the default Windows shell/terminal, you > should be able to use UTF-8 everywhere and have the entire Unicode > range

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:57 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > On 26 March 2017 at 17:37, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > Why? IIRC I can do good pseudographics on linux only with extended >

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 26 March 2017 at 17:37, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Mikhail V wrote: Why? IIRC I can do good pseudographics on linux only with extended unicode character sets, so yes it is possible, is that what you mean? >>> >>>

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:37 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Just use Unicode. Everything else, these days, is a subset of Unicode > anyway. (Caveat: There are a few counter-examples to my statement, but I very much doubt that someone who's talking about PC OEM graphics is going to

Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >>> Why? IIRC I can do good pseudographics on linux only with extended >>> unicode character sets, so yes it is possible, is that what you mean? >> >> No. The same ASCII character set that was available in DOS is >>

Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)

On 26 March 2017 at 16:28, Wildman via Python-list wrote: > On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:18:06 +0200, Mikhail V wrote: > >> On 26 March 2017 at 06:16, Wildman via Python-list >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:15:14 +0100, Mikhail V wrote: >>> And