On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:49:52PM -0800, rh wrote:
wheezy + myvirtualenv = 3.3MB
pyramid = 92MB
$ mkvirtualenv --no-site-packages -p python2.7 pyramid
$ pip install -U distribute
$ pip install pyramid
$ du -h .virtualenvs/pyramid
22M .virtualenvs/pyramid
$ du -s
Am 21.11.2012 02:43, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:07:54 +, Robert Kern wrote:
The source of bugs is not excessive complexity in a method, just
excessive lines of code.
Taken literally, that cannot possibly the case.
def method(self, a, b, c):
do_this(a)
.
Thanks.
Andriy
To: python-list@python.org
From: robert.k...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:33:46 +
On 20/11/2012 20:22, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Robert,
I respect your point of view
From: ulrich.eckha...@dominolaser.com
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:33:09 +0100
To: python-list@python.org
Am 21.11.2012 02:43, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:07:54 +, Robert Kern wrote:
The source of bugs
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:21:23 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
Counting complexity by giving a score to every statement encourages code
like this:
def bletch(x,y):
return x + {foo:y*2,bar:x*3+y,quux:math.sin(y)}.get(mode,0)
instead of:
def bletch(x,y):
if mode==foo: return x+y*2
if
.
Thanks.
Andriy
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:21:23 +1100
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
From: ros...@gmail.com
To: python-list@python.org
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Andriy Kornatskyy
andriy.kornats...@live.com wrote:
We
On 21/11/2012 01:43, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:07:54 +, Robert Kern wrote:
The source of bugs is not excessive complexity in a method, just
excessive lines of code.
Taken literally, that cannot possibly the case.
def method(self, a, b, c):
do_this(a)
I believe for the quality of code you produce.
Thanks.
Andriy
From: steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:43:10 +
To: python-list@python.org
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:21
On 21/11/2012 11:02, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Robert,
You would never get a better product by accident.
The meaning of better product might differ from team to team but you can not
ignore excessive complexity. Earlier or later you get back to that code and
refactor it, thus existence of
analysis give
you an initial picture, how it fits with your own vision, etc. Convince or
accept?
Andriy Kornatskyy
To: python-list@python.org
From: robert.k...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:54:06 +
On 21/11/2012 12:17, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Agreed. I think we have pretty much the same point of view on this.
All these metrics advise you... this is again depends how you look at this. If
you are a new comer to a project, you usually spend some time on code review,
talk to people, read
Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:26:26 +
On 21/11/2012 12:17, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Agreed. I think we have pretty much the same point of view on this.
All these metrics advise you... this is again depends how you look at this.
If you are a new comer
On 21/11/2012 12:47, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Hm... what serves an evidence purpose for you?
Well-done empirical studies, like the one I gave you.
--
Robert Kern
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM, rh richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:41:42 +0300
Andriy Kornatskyy andriy.kornats...@live.com wrote:
Cyclomatic (or conditional) complexity is a metric used to indicate
the complexity of a source code. Excessive complexity is something
Kornatskyy
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From: richard_hubb...@lavabit.com
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:49:39 -0800
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:41:42 +0300
Andriy Kornatskyy andriy.kornats...@live.com wrote
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM, rh richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:12:26 -0800
Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM, rh richard_hubb...@lavabit.com
wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:41:42 +0300
Andriy Kornatskyy
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:21:23 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
Counting complexity by giving a score to every statement encourages code
like this:
def bletch(x,y):
return x +
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:21:23 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
Counting complexity by giving a score to every statement encourages code
like this:
def bletch(x,y):
return x +
Cyclomatic (or conditional) complexity is a metric used to indicate the
complexity of a source code. Excessive complexity is something that is beyond
recommended
level of 10 (threshold that points to the fact the source code is too
complex and refactoring is suggested). Here is a list of web
On 20/11/2012 17:41, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Cyclomatic (or conditional) complexity is a metric used to indicate the
complexity of a source code. Excessive complexity is something that is beyond
recommended
level of 10 (threshold that points to the fact the source code is too
complex and
coverage with unit tests) thus
have certain degree of interest to both: end users and framework developers.
Thanks.
Andriy Kornatskyy
To: python-list@python.org
From: robert.k...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Tue, 20
On 20/11/2012 19:46, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Robert,
Thank you for the comment. I do not try relate CC with LOC. Instead pointing to
excessive complexity, something that is beyond recommended threshold, a subject
to refactoring in respective web frameworks. Those areas are likely to be
To: python-list@python.org
From: robert.k...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:07:54 +
On 20/11/2012 19:46, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Robert,
Thank you for the comment. I do not try relate
On 20/11/2012 20:22, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
Robert,
I respect your point of view and it definitely make sense to me. I personally
do not have a problem to understand CC but agree, method LoC is easier to
understand. Regardless the path your choose in your next refactoring (based on
method
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:07:54 +, Robert Kern wrote:
The source of bugs is not excessive complexity in a method, just
excessive lines of code.
Taken literally, that cannot possibly the case.
def method(self, a, b, c):
do_this(a)
do_that(b)
do_something_else(c)
def method(self,
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