Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-04 Thread Mark H Harris
On 6/3/14 8:14 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote: Well, I'm glad you find this concept straight-forward. I guess I'm not as smart as you. Not at all. I think you misunderstood me. I read the article and I reviewed it (although brief, I stand by what I said). To expand a bit, the article is poorly writt

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-04 Thread Mark H Harris
On 6/3/14 8:24 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: Deb, do yourself a favor and just trash-can anything from Mark Harris. Ouch, that hurt. Did someone not get their coffee this morning? :-) -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-04 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 04/06/2014 04:56, Deb Wyatt wrote: Thank you for this link. I will do my best to ask *smart* questions. I struggle with explaining myself sometimes, especially when trying to grasp something that baffles me. Deb in WA, USA Welcome to the wonderful world of computing :) -- My fellow Py

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-04 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 04/06/2014 06:02, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 12:27:36 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Want to be sure your questions are smart? Willing to put in a bit of effort to make yourself welcomed not just courteously, but enthusiastically? Check out this essay, one of the more famous on

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Deb Wyatt
> -Original Message- > From: et...@stoneleaf.us > Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:24:01 -0700 > To: python-list@python.org > Subject: Re: immutable vs mutable > Deb, do yourself a favor and just trash-can anything from Mark Harris. > > And keep asking questions. >

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 12:27:36 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Want to be sure your questions are smart? Willing to put in a bit of > effort to make yourself welcomed not just courteously, but > enthusiastically? Check out this essay, one of the more famous ones: > > http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/sma

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Deb Wyatt
> >> And keep asking questions. > > ... but this is definitely good advice. Want to get the most out of > your computer? Step one: Don't be afraid of it. Step two: Don't be > afraid of us, either. There's very little you can do on a computer > that's unexpectedly damaging, and it's easy to keep

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 06/03/2014 06:14 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote: >> >> Mark Harris wrote: >>> >>> >>> The examples deal mostly with names and scope. The article in my opinion >>> confuses a Python concept which is otherwise very straight-forward which >>> has been be

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Ethan Furman
On 06/03/2014 06:14 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote: Mark Harris wrote: The examples deal mostly with names and scope. The article in my opinion confuses a Python concept which is otherwise very straight-forward which has been beat to death on this forum. Well, I'm glad you find this concept straight-for

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Deb Wyatt
> > The examples deal mostly with names and scope. The article in my opinion > confuses a Python concept which is otherwise very straight-forward which > has been beat to death on this forum. > > marcus Well, I'm glad you find this concept straight-forward. I guess I'm not as smart as you. I

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Deb Wyatt
> > The examples deal mostly with names and scope. The article in my opinion > confuses a Python concept which is otherwise very straight-forward which > has been beat to death on this forum. > > marcus Well, I'm glad you find this concept straight-forward. I guess I'm not as smart as you. I

Re: immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Mark H Harris
On 6/3/14 12:29 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote: http://www.spontaneoussymmetry.com/blog/archives/438 Deb in WA, USA The article is bogged down in unnecessary complications with regard to mutability (or not) and pass-by reference|value stuff. The author risks confusing her audience (those who are perh

immutable vs mutable

2014-06-03 Thread Deb Wyatt
Thanks everyone for your help. I also found this article while I was waiting for answers from this list, in case anybody else is interested in this topic: http://www.spontaneoussymmetry.com/blog/archives/438 Deb in WA, USA FREE ONLI