On 17/01/2014 01:00, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2013 8:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2013 12:03 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
Given that this can be
- Original Message -
On 17/01/2014 01:00, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2013 8:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2013 12:03 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The
On 1/17/2014 7:25 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote:
'''The default top superclass for all Python classes.
http://bugs.python.org/issue20285
The issue is tagged 2.7. Is object the superclass of all classes in 2.7 ?
2.7 should say 'all new-style classes'.
Thanks for noticing and reporting.
On 12/6/2013 8:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2013 12:03 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
Given that this can be interpreted as 'least desirable', it could
On 10/12/2013 05:16, rusi wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40:27 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
By the way, I'm curious. Why are discussions about object oriented coding
off-topic to Python? This is not a rhetorical question.
Well OOP on the python list is certainly on topic.
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
While I'm very confident at this point that he is a crank, in the same
category as circle-squarers, cold fusion proponents, pi-is-a-rational-
number theorists, perpetual motion machine inventors, evolution or AGW
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 10/12/2013 05:16, rusi wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40:27 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
By the way, I'm curious. Why are discussions about object oriented coding
off-topic to Python? This is not a
On 10/12/2013 7:37 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
One of the great joys of reading this list is how wonderfully OT it can
get. I have the right to make this statement as I started *THIS*
thread. Now what *WERE* we talking about? :)
The God Object (or Higgs Object for the non-theists).
--
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Alan Bawden
a...@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu wrote:
I don't believe that this was done for any deep principled reason, but
rather it was just permitted because the algorithm for computing method
resolution order didn't actually care whether there were inheritance
On 09/12/2013 06:44, rusi wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2013 10:56:28 AM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
On 12/08/2013 09:46 PM, rusi wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:46:30 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:58:09 -0800, rusi wrote:
[...]
Does GG not give you
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise, WITH A COMPUTER, there is a definite order which can't be
countermanded by simply having this artifice called Object. If you
FEE(L)s hadn't noticed (no longer using the insult foos out of
respect for the
On 12/9/13 12:11 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:01:59 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 20:21:06 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically
On 09/12/2013 10:12, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise, WITH A COMPUTER, there is a definite order which can't be
countermanded by simply having this artifice called Object. If you
FEE(L)s hadn't noticed (no longer using the
On 09/12/2013 05:00, Terry Reedy wrote:
I think it can be. If you prefer me to open the issue, say so.
We should look for existing issues, and closed issues that rejected change.
Thanks for the offer Terry and yes, please open an issue.
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:59:29 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
[...]
And the cycle continues:
[...]
Maybe we could just not?
A reasonable request, but just because it's reasonable doesn't mean it is
a no-brainer that we shouldn't engage with Mark.
While I'm very confident at this point that he
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:49:46 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:59:29 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
[...]
And the cycle continues:
[...]
Maybe we could just not?
Thanks Ned for your attempts at bringing some order and sense in these parts
of the universe
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:32:06 -0800, rusi wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:49:46 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:59:29 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
[...]
And the cycle continues:
[...]
Maybe we could just not?
Thanks Ned for your attempts at
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40:27 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
By the way, I'm curious. Why are discussions about object oriented coding
off-topic to Python? This is not a rhetorical question.
Well OOP on the python list is certainly on topic.
Interminable discussions about why
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
How does that work, exactly? How do you have a class inherit
(ultimately) from itself, and how does that impact the component class
list?
How does it work exactly? You're asking me about a feature I never
made use of, in a system I have no source for,
In article 5f7e3e2f-2f86-4a2b-bea5-6e70b6fc2...@googlegroups.com,
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40:27 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
By the way, I'm curious. Why are discussions about object oriented coding
off-topic to Python? This is not a
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Alan Bawden
a...@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Alan Bawden
...
How does that work, exactly? How do you have a class inherit
(ultimately) from itself, and how does that impact the
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 00:31:15 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
In article 5f7e3e2f-2f86-4a2b-bea5-6e70b6fc2...@googlegroups.com,
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40:27 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
By the way, I'm curious. Why are discussions about object
In article 52a6af26$0$2829$c3e8da3$76491...@news.astraweb.com,
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
What about whether the arrows should have solid heads, open heads,
barbed heads, double-barbed heads, or circles (filled or open)? Surely
you can't expect people to write decent
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 20:21:06 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most *base* type
[[Terry Reedy:]]
How about something like.
The default top *superclass* for all Python classes.
How 'bout you fools just admit that you didn't
On 12/7/13 11:21 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most *base* type
[[Terry Reedy:]]
How about something like.
The default top *superclass* for all Python classes.
How 'bout you fools just admit that you didn't realize you've been
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 20:21:06 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most *base* type
[[Terry Reedy:]]
How about something like.
The default
Mark Janssen wrote:
Mr. Ewing says base has to be interpreted as an *adjective* because
otherwise it would mean the BOTTOM (like the BASE of the pyramid),
Not exactly -- a native English speaker would say something
like the bottommost class if that's what they meant.
Or they would say the
On 07/12/2013 01:35, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2013 12:03 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
Given that this can be interpreted as 'least desirable', it could
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:48:57 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
'''The default top superclass for all Python classes.
Its methods are inherited by all classes unless overriden.
'''
Terry's
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
'''The default top superclass for all Python classes.
Its methods are inherited by all classes unless overriden.
'''
The root class for all Python classes. Its methods are inherited by
all
On 09/12/2013 01:09, Mark Janssen wrote:
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
'''The default top superclass for all Python classes.
Its methods are inherited by all classes unless overriden.
'''
The root class for all Python
On 09/12/2013 00:45, Denis McMahon wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:48:57 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
'''The default top superclass for all Python classes.
Its methods are inherited by all classes
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:48:57 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Terry's suggestion above remains odds on favourite on the grounds that
there have been no other suggestions. I'll give it another day, then
raise a tracker issue,
It's not merely the default superclass, it *is* the superclass to
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 01:43:43 +, Mark Lawrence wrote about object:
What methods, if any does it provide? Are they all abstract? etc???
Pretty much nothing useful :-)
py dir(object)
['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dir__', '__doc__', '__eq__',
'__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__',
What methods, if any does it provide? Are they all abstract? etc???
Pretty much nothing useful :-)
py dir(object)
[...]
So (prodding the student), Why does everything inherit from Object if
it provides no functionality?
Practicality-beats-purity-yours?
--
MarkJ
Tacoma, Washington
--
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
(Note bene: as a comparison, C++ is very UNAMBIGUOUS about
this fact -- all objects inherit from concrete machine types, which is
why it remains important, *despite* being one of the worst to do OOP
in. Its *type
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
What methods, if any does it provide? Are they all abstract? etc???
Pretty much nothing useful :-)
py dir(object)
[...]
So (prodding the student), Why does everything inherit from Object if
it provides no
On Monday, December 9, 2013 8:11:47 AM UTC+5:30, zipher wrote:
What methods, if any does it provide? Are they all abstract? etc???
Pretty much nothing useful :-)
py dir(object)
[...]
So (prodding the student), Why does everything inherit from Object if
it provides no functionality?
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com
wrote:
(Note bene: as a comparison, C++ is very UNAMBIGUOUS about
this fact -- all objects inherit from concrete machine types, which is
why it
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
But, in any case, if you don't have a way to map your abstract objects
into machine types, you're working on magic, not computer science.
Maybe, but that mapping isn't always an inheritance relationship.
Ultimately
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:58:09 -0800, rusi wrote:
PS Can some kind soul inform me whether I could convince GG to unicode
my post?
Does GG not give you some way of inspecting the post's full headers?
Anyway, here you go:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Your plan succeeded.
Thanks for the info.
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:46:30 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:58:09 -0800, rusi wrote:
PS Can some kind soul inform me whether I could convince GG to unicode
my post?
Does GG not give you some way of inspecting the post's full headers?
On 12/8/2013 8:43 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 09/12/2013 00:45, Denis McMahon wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:48:57 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
'''The default top superclass for all Python
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:01:59 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 20:21:06 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most *base* type
On 12/08/2013 09:46 PM, rusi wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:46:30 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:58:09 -0800, rusi wrote:
[...]
Does GG not give you some way of inspecting the post's full headers?
Well I spent half hour looking around -- both inside GG and
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:41:47 -0800, Mark Janssen wrote:
What methods, if any does it provide? Are they all abstract? etc???
Pretty much nothing useful :-)
py dir(object)
[...]
So (prodding the student), Why does everything inherit from Object if it
provides no functionality?
You cut
On Monday, December 9, 2013 10:56:28 AM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
On 12/08/2013 09:46 PM, rusi wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:46:30 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:58:09 -0800, rusi wrote:
[...]
Does GG not give you some way of inspecting the post's
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes:
- If all classes are part of a single hierarchy, it must logically end at
one (or more, if you support multiple inheritance, which Python does)
bases classes. (Unless there are loops, which are generally prohibited in
all OOP systems I know of).
Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most base type
It's also a somewhat strange construction from an English language
point of view. To make sense, it requires interpreting the word
base as an adjective, and when used that way it has
On 12/7/13 7:10 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most base type
It's also a somewhat strange construction from an English language
point of view. To make sense, it requires interpreting the word
base as an
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
class object
| The most *base* type
[[Terry Reedy:]]
How about something like.
The default top *superclass* for all Python classes.
How 'bout you fools just admit that you didn't realize you've been
confused this whole time? (It *is* possible
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
Surely a few more words, or a pointer to this
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
Surely a few more words, or a pointer to this
http://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#object, would be better?
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not
On 12/6/2013 12:03 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
help(object)
Help on class object in module builtins:
class object
| The most base type
Given that this can be interpreted as 'least desirable', it could
definitely be improved.
Surely a few
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