Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com
wrote:
Its generally accepted that side-effecting functions are not a good idea
-- typically a function that returns something and changes global state.
Only in certain circles. Not in Python. There
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
However, mutator methods on a class don't change global state, they change
the state of an instance. Even random.random and friends don't change
global state, they change a (hidden) instance, and you
Even after having written three small tool for calculating chess
ratings, I felt that I severly lacked a proper understanding of what
the BEEP I was actually doing. So I looked at our standard bookshop at
work, found a book that I thought neat only to discover that our work
account has been
Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com writes:
So it was back to the internet - and this one seems pretty
comprehensive and understandable:
http://www.diveintopython3.net/
Yes, Mark Pilgrim wrote this originally for Python 2, and it was one of
the best even then. The revised edition for Python 3 is
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
addresses = [get_address(name) for name in database]
assert all(address for address in addresses)
# ... much later on ...
for i, address in enumerate(addresses):
if
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
In the absence of correctness proofs for your code, anything you do (unit
tests, assertions, regression tests, etc.) is just a statistically sampling
of all the potential paths your code might take,
Hello I am making a data management program and although i can make my own
databases I would like a couple sample ones to check out. Of course I searched
on google for sample db's and I downloaded some but they are not working and I
keep getting:
File is not a database or
Nicholas Cannon wrote:
Hello I am making a data management program and although i can make my own
databases I would like a couple sample ones to check out. Of course I
searched on google for sample db's and I downloaded some but they are not
working and I keep getting:
Hello!
I'm pleased to announce version 1.6.1, the first bugfix release of branch
1.6 of SQLObject.
What's new in SQLObject
===
* Allow unicode in .orderBy(u'-column').
Contributor for this release is Andrew Trusty.
For a more complete list, please see the news:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 00:45:49 -0700, wxjmfauth wrote:
Ditto for fileobj.write(). Why should it return something ?
with open('z.txt', 'w') as f:
... f.write('abc')
...
3
OTOH, why shouldn't it return something? In this case, it returns the
length of the string written. This value
I have a need, in a Python C extension I am writing, for lists and
dictionaries with lazy evaluation - by which I mean that at least
some of the values in the lists/dictionaries are proxy objects
which, rather than returning as themselves, should return the thing
they are a proxy for when
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:11:43 PM UTC+5:30, Dan Sommers wrote:
At one time, on a huge project, millions of lines of C and assembly
code, we had a local guideline *not* to write void functions. The idea
was to return something that might be useful later, even if it seemed
unlikely now.
Context:
I will be showing the way around to some experienced programmers
new to python.
Do
help()
Among other things I get:
| Enter the name of any module, keyword, or topic to get help on writing
| Python programs and using Python modules. To quit this help utility and
| return to the
wxjmfa...@gmail.com:
Yes and no. If something goes wrong in a .write() method,
is not Python supposed to raise an error? (!)
We have multiple cases:
1. write succeeds with all of the given bytes
2. write succeeds with some but not all of the given bytes
3. write cannot at the moment
Hi All,
I'm looking for a python library that can parse XML Documents and
create xml-aware diff files, and then use those to patch documents.
In other words, I'd like something similar to the Google
diff-match-patch tools, but something which is XML aware.
I can see several projects on Pypi that
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Nicholas Cole nicholas.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I'm looking for a python library that can parse XML Documents and
create xml-aware diff files, and then use those to patch documents.
In other words, I'd like something similar to the Google
Nicholas Cole schrieb am 26.10.2014 um 18:00:
I'm looking for a python library that can parse XML Documents and
create xml-aware diff files, and then use those to patch documents.
In other words, I'd like something similar to the Google
diff-match-patch tools, but something which is XML aware.
On 27 October 2014 01:14, Jon Ribbens jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk wrote:
I have a need, in a Python C extension I am writing, for lists and
dictionaries with lazy evaluation - by which I mean that at least
some of the values in the lists/dictionaries are proxy objects
which, rather than
On 10/26/14 4:07 PM, Tony the Tiger wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:27:34 +0200, ast wrote:
If i am writing (-1)**1000 on a python program, will the interpreter do
(-1)*(-1)*...*(-1) or something clever ?
Even vs. odd. It ought to know. I would assume from a set of defined
rules how math
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On 10/26/2014 12:15 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Ben Finney wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
I suspect that Guido and the core developers disagree with you, since
they had the opportunity to fix that in Python 3 and didn't.
That doesn't follow; there are
On 10/26/2014 1:08 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:48:59 -0400, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
declaimed the following:
C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documentspython3
You must have done something extra to make this work on Windows.
Possibly hand-edited my system PATH -- I've
In article 683c84d8-d916-4b63-b4b2-92cd2763e...@googlegroups.com,
wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
Le dimanche 26 octobre 2014 14:41:43 UTC+1, Dan Sommers a écrit :
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 00:45:49 -0700, wxjmfauth wrote:
Ditto for fileobj.write(). Why should it return something ?
with
On 10/26/2014 3:22 AM, Martin S wrote:
So it was back to the internet - and this one seems pretty
comprehensive and understandable:
http://www.diveintopython3.net/
It doesn't cover the latest point version of Python (it's still Python
3), but I hope it doesn't matter much?
I expect not. The
On 10/26/2014 10:14 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
I have a need, in a Python C extension I am writing, for lists and
dictionaries with lazy evaluation - by which I mean that at least
some of the values in the lists/dictionaries are proxy objects
which, rather than returning as themselves, should return
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
?
I ported some Java code to Python, and it was using Java's idea of
equality (via ==) in some places. Right now, I have a suite of unit
tests working using the second expression above, but I'm thinking
about switching to the
On 2014-10-27 00:12, Dan Stromberg wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
?
Yes.
I ported some Java code to Python, and it was using Java's idea of
equality (via ==) in some places. Right now, I have a suite of unit
tests working using the second
On 27 October 2014 00:12, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
Much of the time, but not all the time. The obvious exception is if
id is redefined, but that one's kind of boring. The real thing to
watch out for is if the
On 10/26/2014 05:23 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/26/2014 05:12 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
?
Listen to MRAB, ignore me.
That is all.
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On 10/26/2014 05:12 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
?
Nope. If the value if `id(x)` is not interned, then the two value could be different objects that still represent the
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Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
Do you really not see the connection between counting and summing?
Connection? Of course. But I also see a huge distinction. I'm surprised
you could misunderstand my position to the extent you think such a
question needs to be asked.
On 2014-10-27 00:24, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/26/2014 05:23 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/26/2014 05:12 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
?
Listen to MRAB, ignore me.
That is all.
Well, apart of Joshua's qualifications, that is!
Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com writes:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
It depends what you mean by “the same”.
Do they give the same result? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on
what the types of the values are.
Do they express the same intent?
On 2014-10-27 00:38, Ben Finney wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
Do you really not see the connection between counting and summing?
Connection? Of course. But I also see a huge distinction. I'm surprised
you could misunderstand my position to the extent you
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:12:29 -0700, Dan Stromberg wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
No, although if Id and id were the same function, they might be
equivalent in some cases.
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On 26 October 2014 01:03, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
I suspect that Guido and the core developers disagree with you, since
they had the opportunity to fix that in Python 3 and didn't.
That doesn't follow; there
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:45:22 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0285/
snipped
Ben Finney wrote:
I agree with the decision, because this isn't an issue which often leads
to *incorrect* code. But I maintain that it's an unfortunate and
Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws writes:
Guido van Rossum answered Jul 28 '11 at 21:20,
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3174392/is-it-pythonic-to-use-bools-as-ints
False==0 and True==1, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Guido is incorrect. I've already stated what's wrong.
That's
I am trying to learn classes.
I am currently using Python 2.7 at the command line.
If you try to type commands at the command line and make the slightest
mistake you have to start over.
I was trying to copy and paste these instructions into the command
prompt.
On Monday, October 27, 2014 7:59:04 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
Joshua Landau writes:
Guido van Rossum answered Jul 28 '11 at 21:20,
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3174392/is-it-pythonic-to-use-bools-as-ints
False==0 and True==1, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Guido is
On 27 October 2014 02:28, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws writes:
Guido van Rossum answered Jul 28 '11 at 21:20,
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3174392/is-it-pythonic-to-use-bools-as-ints
False==0 and True==1, and there's nothing wrong with
Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws writes:
On 27 October 2014 02:28, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Guido is incorrect. I've already stated what's wrong.
You were arguing about what Guido thinks.
I don't know where I did that; to my knowledge, this is the first time
I've mentioned
Python tutorials
http://anandology.com/python-practice-book/object_oriented_programming.html
This is a good onebut it gets too deep too fast.
This is the best thing I have read so far to help me understand
classes. What I would like to see is more examples of computing
before starting on
Seymore4Head Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid writes:
I am trying to learn classes.
I am currently using Python 2.7 at the command line.
(I think you mean “the interactive Python interpreter”, or just “the
Python shell”.)
Since you are learning Python, I will strongly recommend you ignore
Python
On 27Oct2014 00:41, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote:
On 2014-10-27 00:24, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/26/2014 05:23 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/26/2014 05:12 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
Are the following two expressions the same?
x is y
Id(x) == id(y)
?
Listen to MRAB, ignore me.
That
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:00:04 AM UTC+5:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
I am trying to learn classes.
I am currently using Python 2.7 at the command line.
Why not idle?
And if in general you are at python 3, why 2.7 here?
There are enough factor to learn ( and get confused)!
Please dont add new
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Right. There is line-by-line history, and editing enabled with the
“readline” plug-in. (This is an advantage of using a programmer-friendly
operating system, which MS Windows sadly is not.)
You can get block-by-block
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com writes:
Are the following two expressions the same?
[…]
It depends what you mean by “the same”.
My apologies, I mis-read the question. My answers were for a different
question (one you didn't ask). Please ignore
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:40:48 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Right. There is line-by-line history, and editing enabled with the
readline plug-in. (This is an advantage of using a programmer-friendly
operating system, which MS
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:40:48 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Right. There is line-by-line history, and editing enabled with the
readline plug-in. (This is
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:48:52 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:40:48 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Right. There is line-by-line history, and editing enabled with the
readline plug-in. (This is an
Your message showed up as unavailable on my server I have to cut and
paste Google Groups to reply. (I am going to change news servers
probably tomorrow to try to fix that) So the quoting is going to be
bad.
Why not idle?
And if in general you are at python 3, why 2.7 here?
There are enough
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:06:11 +1100, Ben Finney
ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Seymore4Head Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid writes:
I am trying to learn classes.
I am currently using Python 2.7 at the command line.
(I think you mean the interactive Python interpreter, or just the
Python
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:10:01 +1100, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Right. There is line-by-line history, and editing enabled with the
readline plug-in. (This is an advantage of using a programmer-friendly
Hi Team ,
Iam new to Fabric and Iam using the fab command-line tool to run a set
of task on Linux clients.
I just started coding and Iam pretty new to fabric, Iam hoping I will be
able to launch my fabric scripts from both Windows and Linux Machine .
Installing Cygwin might help in
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:07:00 PM UTC+5:30, Diya Rai wrote:
Hai,
Could anyone please help me to resolve 403 forbidden error while logging
into an application.
Following is the error details:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./example6.py, line 18, in module
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Diya Rai diyar...@gmail.com wrote:
This is the part of the code which im trying to execute. We are trying to
load test a web application through python script, currently checking the
login part.
Does it work when you log in using a web browser? If so, grab a
Georg Brandl added the comment:
OK, a hopefully complete overview of the network-using tests and the services
they use, checked by tracing connect() calls during a test run:
* test_codecencodings_*, test_normalization, test_ucn: some Unicode-related
data files from
unicode.org:80
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Ned Deily added the comment:
I believe it is the case that none of these proposed changes would have any
effect on Aqua (native, non-X11) OS X Tk variants (Cocoa or Carbon). Unlike on
Windows and X11, standard OS X menus in conforming GUI apps do not have
underline letter shortcuts. (OS X
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Vajrasky Kok added the comment:
Here is the preliminary patch. It's a thin wrapper of strsignal.
Some issues and things:
1. About Benjamin Peterson's request, what is the name of the dictionary
supposed to be? Is everyone okay with Benjamin's suggestion?
2. About George Brandl's question: Is
Christian Boos added the comment:
`--user-access-control auto` doesn't work for me...
With Python 2.7.8 installed ''for all'' in C:/Program Files (x86)/Python27,
an installer built with `bdist_wininst --user-access-control auto` will *not*
ask for permission elevation and will crash as
Brett Cannon added the comment:
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ping.
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Christian Boos added the comment:
The reason of the crash is pretty trivial, there's no check for success of the
creation of the installation logfile. Trapping this and aborting (with a hint
to use Run as administrator) would be enough to fix the issue, I think.
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New submission from Steve Dower:
I'd like to be able to run ensurepip in the 3.5 installer with pythonw.exe, to
avoid having the console window appear.
Unfortunately, pip requires a valid value for sys.__stdout__. This patch adds a
dummy value for __stdout__ that allows pip to be
Donald Stufft added the comment:
This looks OK to me.
I'm not a Windows person are there changes in pip that would make sense to make
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New submission from Steve Dower:
The test_capi.test_forced_io_encoding test currently requires that newlines
match when checking the results. This apparently does not occur with VC10
builds, but does appear with newer versions of the compiler.
This patch normalises the line endings in the
New submission from Steve Dower:
The test_pass_pointer and test_int_pointer_arg tests are inconsistent between
32-bit and 64-bit builds because c_long is always 32 bits but the function
being called may return a 64-bit value (it's a pointer, so c_long may truncate
it).
I'd prefer to have a
New submission from Steve Dower:
The ffi_prep_args function in libffi_msvc/ffi.c needs the attached patch to
handle 64-bit parameters with the correct padding.
Without this patch, garbage may appear in the top part of 64-bit arguments as
the values are not zeroed out by the memcpy.
I'm not
New submission from Steve Dower:
This patch decreases the stack depth limit for Windows debug builds to prevent
the recursion test from failing. (Apparently VC14 uses more stack space for
each frame than VC10, but the release build is unaffected.)
Not sure who the correct nosy for marshal is,
R. David Murray added the comment:
I don't understand why this patch is necessary. The test already joins the
expected output with os.linesep (and doesn't test against err, that's just for
verbose informational purposes). Are you saying that the generated output is
not using os.linesep? In
Steve Dower added the comment:
virtualenv is definitely chattier - it prints out the path where the env will
be and when it is installing setuptools and pip.
That's all that's really needed here too, IMHO - just enough to let users know
that venv has heard them and is doing something (not
Steve Dower added the comment:
I think the only thing pip could do is to stop using print(), which is not a
reasonable request.
It may be reasonable to change pythonw to use dummy IO streams by default, but
that may cause programs to print() messages expecting the user to see them.
It's also
Donald Stufft added the comment:
The development version of pip switches things over to using the Python logging
framework instead of a homegrown one which more or less relies on print().
Probably we could detect if we don't have a stdout and just not output
anything? People can pass a
Steve Dower added the comment:
The generated output is using os.linesep, but the result from
run_embedded_interpreter() is not.
I assume there's a difference (fix) in MSVCRT between VC10 and VC12 (maybe VC11
- didn't test) that causes '\n' to flow through Popen.communicate() where it
Steve Dower added the comment:
That change sounds like it'll be enough, and I'd be surprised if the logging
module doesn't already handle the case with no streams.
(Aside: it'd be nice for ensurepip to have a log file parameter that can be
passed through.)
I'll hold off on merging this in
New submission from Eldar Abusalimov:
The attached patch fixes several bugs revealed by providing a custom mro().
Most of these bugs are reentrancy issues (mainly, cls.__bases__ assignment
within mro() which causes incorrect refcounting), but there are also some
issues when using incomplete
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http://bugs.python.org/file37039/0014-test-crasher-attr-lookup-on-super-with-uninitialized.patch
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Changes by Eldar Abusalimov eldar.abusali...@gmail.com:
Added file:
http://bugs.python.org/file37040/0015-fix-super_getattro-check-type-tp_mro-and-refactory.patch
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Eldar Abusalimov added the comment:
Just in case, the previous message about reviewing is about [PATCH 07/15] (fix)
handle tp_mro overwritten through reentrancy
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Paul Moore added the comment:
This looks reasonable to me.
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Paul Moore added the comment:
Wait, sorry I misread the discussion (long day here). If we can do this in pip
yes that would be better. It looks like we can detect when we're being run via
pythonw by checking if sys.stdout is None.
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