Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (May 16)

2007-05-17 Thread Cameron Laird
QOTW: Sometimes you just have to take the path of least distaste. - Grant Edwards I want to choose my words carefully here, so I'm not misunderstood. They're a bunch of fucking idiots. - Charles Wang, billionaire chairman of software giant Computer Associates, asked to assess the quality of

Re: Trying to choose between python and java

2007-05-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cameron Laird wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . | #5 someone said that they used to use python but

Re: How do I tell the difference between the end of a text file, and an empty line in a text file?

2007-05-17 Thread Asun Friere
On May 17, 7:47 am, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python's lack of an EOF character is giving me a hard time. The difference is simply that an empty line contains a '\n' while EOF does not. If you strip() your line before testing you will have trouble. But the minimal cases you post

Re: How to do basic CRUD apps with Python

2007-05-17 Thread half . italian
On May 14, 7:46 pm, James T. Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: walterbyrd a ?crit : With PHP, libraries, apps, etc. to do basic CRUD are everywhere. Ajax and non-Ajax solutions abound. With Python, finding such library, or apps. seems to be much

Re: How do I count the number of spaces at the left end of a string?

2007-05-17 Thread Asun Friere
On May 17, 8:18 am, Steven Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: walterbyrd wrote: I don't know exactly what the first non-space character is. I know the first non-space character will be * or an alphanumeric character. using builtin function rindex But only if there is a guarantee that are

Re: Execute commands from file

2007-05-17 Thread i3dmaster
On May 16, 1:05 pm, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Blume wrote: tmp123 schrieb We have very big files with python commands (more or less, 50 commands each file). It is possible to execute them command by command, inp = open(cmd_file) for line in inp: exec

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Sion Arrowsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: I still don't like the thought of the horrible mix of foreign identifiers and English keywords, coupled with the English sentence construction. How do you think you'd feel if Python had less in the way of (conventionally

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Gregor Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik van Rooyen schrieb: It is not so much for technical reasons as for aesthetic ones - I find reading a mix of languages horrible, and I am kind of surprised by the strength of my own reaction. This is a matter of taste. I agree - and

Re: tkinter button state = DISABLED

2007-05-17 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Wed, 16 May 2007 03:22:17 -0300, Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there is a confusion here. You code above means that, when the event The leftmost MOUSE BUTTON was released

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Duncan Booth
Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Someone proposed using escape sequences of some kind, supported by editor plugins, so there is no need to modify the parser. I'm not sure whether my suggestion below is the same as or a variation on this. - Refactoring tools should let you

Problem with socket.recv()

2007-05-17 Thread xreload
Hello ! I have some class for getting html documents : Wrapper for Python sockets lib import socket import urlparse import random import io import re import sys # socket wrapper class class sock: def __init__(self,url): parse = urlparse.urlparse(url) self.req = [] #

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Gregor Horvath
Hendrik van Rooyen schrieb: I can sympathise a little bit with a customer who tries to read code. Why that should be necessary, I cannot understand - does the stuff not work to the extent that the customer feels he has to help you? You do not talk as if you are incompetent, so I see no reason

Watch Television online for free.

2007-05-17 Thread shane . buggins41
Watch television online now for free. Includes television channels from all over the world and sport events from all over the world including, NBA, Soccer, Motor Racing and much more. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/louise.randall41 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: removing common elemets in a list

2007-05-17 Thread janislaw
On May 16, 8:17 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Suppose i have a list v which collects some numbers,how do i remove the common elements from it ,without using the set() opeartor. Thanks There was a similar thread on polish python

PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Andrea Gavana
Hi All, In summary, this PEP proposes to allow non-ASCII letters as identifiers in Python. In primis, I would like to congratulate with Martin to have started one of the most active threads (flame wars? :- D ) in the python-list history. By scanning the list from January 2000 to now, this is

Seeking author of script which generated HTML pages from pictures of them

2007-05-17 Thread metaperl
On reddit.com, many moons ago, I downloaded some code which generated a page using HTML tables from a picture of the page you wanted. However, I dont have any author information in the code and wanted to stay in touch which she/he... does anyone know who wrote this code below? # Box geometry.

Code Explanation

2007-05-17 Thread Robert Rawlins - Think Blue
Hello Guys, I'm currently working on a non-python project, and I'm trying to overcome a task of parsing a text file into a database and/or xml file. I've managed to find a parser example written in python, and I'm hoping to deconstruct the code methodology a bit so I can write it in another

Re: Code Explanation

2007-05-17 Thread rishi pathak
On 5/17/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Guys, I'm currently working on a non-python project, and I'm trying to overcome a task of parsing a text file into a database and/or xml file. I've managed to find a parser example written in python, and I'm hoping to

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
PEP 3131 uses a similar definition to C# except that PEP 3131 disallows formatting characters (category Cf). See section 9.4.2 of http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm UAX#31 discusses formatting characters in 2.2, and recognizes that there might be good

Newbie: Joining Lists

2007-05-17 Thread mosscliffe
I have been playing with GLOB and OS.PATH and it all works, but is there a better way of getting GLOB to recognise, multiple patterns at one call (ONE). Also is it possible to join lists, without the horrid concatenation code I have (TWO). I tried list.append(glob.glob(pattern)) but it error'd

Re: Execute commands from file

2007-05-17 Thread Douglas Woodrow
On Thu, 17 May 2007 00:30:23, i3dmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote f = open(file,'rb') for i in f: exec i Why are you opening the file in binary mode? -- Doug Woodrow -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Problem with socket.recv()

2007-05-17 Thread Irmen de Jong
xreload wrote: Hello ! So, lets do : sock.py http://forums.childrenwithdiabetes.com/showthread.php?t=5030; - it not ok , only some part of document. wget http://forums.childrenwithdiabetes.com/showthread.php?t=5030; - it ok ! sock.py http://www.google.com/; - it ok ! Why i got only

Personal Computers (PC's) contains a lot of info

2007-05-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal Computers (PC's) contains a lot of info that the average user doesn't usually know. At http://PCTermDefinitions.com there is extensive infomation related to this topic (all free). Along with a link portal to other PC computer related sites. --

Re: Newbie: Joining Lists

2007-05-17 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mosscliffe wrote: --- CODE -- import os import glob filenames = [] patterns = ('.\\t*.py', '.\\*.c??', '.\\*.txt') # Can these patterns for glob processing be specified in the glob call *ONE for pattern in patterns:

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Now look me in the eye and tell me that you find the mix of proper German and English keywords beautiful. I can't admit that, but I find that using German class and method names is beautiful. The rest around it (keywords and names from the standard library) are not English - they are Python.

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
A possible modification to the PEP would be to permit identifiers to also include \u and \U escape sequences (as some other languages already do). Several languages do that (e.g. C and C++), but I deliberately left this out, as I cannot see this work in a practical way. Also, it

Re: Get a control over a window

2007-05-17 Thread Tom Gur
Thanks guys, especially Duncan ! That's what I'm using now: import sys from win32gui import GetWindowText, EnumWindows, ShowWindow from win32con import SW_MINIMIZE def listWindowsHandles(): res = [] def callback(hwnd, arg): res.append(hwnd) EnumWindows(callback, 0)

Re: Get a control over a window

2007-05-17 Thread Tom Gur
Thanks guys, especially Duncan ! That's what I'm using now: import sys from win32gui import GetWindowText, EnumWindows, ShowWindow from win32con import SW_MINIMIZE def listWindowsHandles(): res = [] def callback(hwnd, arg): res.append(hwnd) EnumWindows(callback, 0)

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I can't admit that, but I find that using German class and method names is beautiful. The rest around it (keywords and names from the standard library) are not English - they are Python. (look me in the eye and tell me that def is an English word, or that getattr is

Re: A bug in cPickle?

2007-05-17 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following behavior is completely unexpected. Is it a bug or a by- design feature? from pickle import dumps from cPickle import dumps as cdumps print dumps('1001799')==dumps(str(1001799)) print cdumps('1001799')==cdumps(str(1001799))

Re: Code Explanation

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Bentley
On May 17, 2007, at 4:12 AM, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote: I’m currently working on a non-python project, and I’m trying to overcome a task of parsing a text file into a database and/or xml file. I’ve managed to find a parser example written in python, and I’m hoping to deconstruct

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Consequently, Python's keywords and even the standard library can exist with names being just symbols for many people. I already told that on the py3k list: Until a week ago, I didn't know why pass was chosen for the no action statement - with all my English knowledge, I still could not

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
IMO, the burden of proof is on you. If this PEP has the potential to introduce another hindrance for code-sharing, the supporters of this PEP should be required to provide a damn good reason for doing so. So far, you have failed to do that, in my opinion. All you have presented are vague

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
You could say the same about Python standard library and keywords then. Shouldn't these also have to be translated? One can even push things a little further: I don't know about the languages used in the countries you mention, but for example, a simple construction like 'if condition do

Re: problem with import in python 2.2.3

2007-05-17 Thread Simon Brunning
On 5/17/07, Anthony Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know why the datetime module is not being found in python 2.2.3 and how I can make the script work in the older version of python? The datetime modules was added in Python 2.3 - that's why you aren't finding it. This might help -

Sending a JavaScript array to Python script?

2007-05-17 Thread placid
Hi All, Just wondering if there is any way of sending a JavaScript array to a Python cgi script? A quick Google search didn't turn up anything useful. Any help appreciated. Cheers -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Now look me in the eye and tell me that you find the mix of proper German and English keywords beautiful. I can't admit that, but I find that using German class and method names is beautiful. The rest around it (keywords and names from the standard library) are not English - they are

Re: how do I count spaces at the beginning of a string?

2007-05-17 Thread Paul McGuire
On May 16, 9:02 pm, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The strings start with whitespace, and have a '*' or an alphanumeric character. I need to know how many whitespace characters exist at the beginning of the string. aaand what have you tried so far? This really is a pretty basic

Re: A bug in cPickle?

2007-05-17 Thread Facundo Batista
Victor Kryukov wrote: The following behavior is completely unexpected. Is it a bug or a by- design feature? ... from pickle import dumps from cPickle import dumps as cdumps print dumps('1001799')==dumps(str(1001799)) print cdumps('1001799')==cdumps(str(1001799)) It's a feature, the

Re: Sending a JavaScript array to Python script?

2007-05-17 Thread Simon Brunning
On 17 May 2007 05:34:55 -0700, placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if there is any way of sending a JavaScript array to a Python cgi script? A quick Google search didn't turn up anything useful. JSON might be worth a look: http://www.json.org/ -- Cheers, Simon B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sending a JavaScript array to Python script?

2007-05-17 Thread Daniel Nogradi
Just wondering if there is any way of sending a JavaScript array to a Python cgi script? A quick Google search didn't turn up anything useful. Simplejson is what you want: http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/simplejson HTH, Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Sending a JavaScript array to Python script?

2007-05-17 Thread Gregor Horvath
placid schrieb: Just wondering if there is any way of sending a JavaScript array to a Python cgi script? A quick Google search didn't turn up anything useful. http://mochikit.com/doc/html/MochiKit/Base.html#json-serialization

Re: try

2007-05-17 Thread Dustan
On May 16, 4:22 pm, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HMS Surprise wrote: I read in the ref man that try-except-finally did not work in earlier versions, I am using jython 2.2. Does this imply that try-except without finally does not work either? I get a syntax error on the else below.

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Sion Arrowsmith
Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sion Arrowsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: I still don't like the thought of the horrible mix of foreign identifiers and English keywords, coupled with the English sentence construction. How do you think you'd feel if Python had

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
So, please provide feedback, e.g. perhaps by answering these questions: - should non-ASCII identifiers be supported? why? I think the biggest argument against this PEP is how little similar features are used in other languages and how poorly they are supported by third party utilities.

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
René Fleschenberg schrieb: Stefan Behnel schrieb: Then get tools that match your working environment. Integration with existing tools *is* something that a PEP should consider. This one does not do that sufficiently, IMO. What specific tools should be discussed, and what specific problems

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
In the code I was looking at identifiers were allowed to use non-ASCII characters. For whatever reason, the programmers choose not use non-ASCII indentifiers even though they had no problem using non-ASCII characters in commonets. One possible reason is that the tools processing the program

Re: Declaring variables

2007-05-17 Thread HMS Surprise
On May 16, 6:48 pm, Matimus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 16, 9:57 am, HMS Surprise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked in the language but did not find a switch for requiring variables to be declared before use. Is such an option available? Thanks, jvh You do have to declare a

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
After 175 replies (and counting), the only thing that is clear is the controversy around this PEP. Most people are very strong for or against it, with little middle ground in between. I'm not saying that every change must meet 100% acceptance, but here there is definitely a strong opposition

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
However, what I want to see is how people deal with such issues when sharing their code: what are their experiences and what measures do they mandate to make it all work properly? You can see some discussions about various IDEs mandating UTF-8 as the default encoding, along with UTF-8 being

Re: Declaring variables

2007-05-17 Thread Gregor Horvath
HMS Surprise schrieb: #~~ createdIncidentId = 0 . . . #attempt to change varialbe createdIncidentID = 1 . . . if createdIncidentId == 1: ... test.py is your code above $ pychecker -v test.py Processing test... Warnings... test.py:7: Variable

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I claim that this is *completely unrealistic*. When learning Python, you *do* learn the actual meanings of English terms like open, exception, if and so on if you did not know them before. It would be extremely foolish not to do so. Having taught students for many years now, I can report that

Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (May 16)

2007-05-17 Thread Beliavsky
On May 16, 2:45 pm, Cameron Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QOTW: Sometimes you just have to take the path of least distaste. - Grant Edwards I want to choose my words carefully here, so I'm not misunderstood. rest snipped I think Cameron Laird does a good job with the Python digest but

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Gregor Horvath
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: I've reported this before, but happily do it again: I have lived many years without knowing what a hub is, and what to pass means if it's not the opposite of to fail. Yet, I have used their technical meanings correctly all these years. That's not only true for

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread rurpy
On May 16, 8:49 pm, Gregor Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: 2) Create a way to internationalize the standard library (and possibly the language keywords, too). Ideally, create a general standardized way to internationalize code, possibly similiar to how people

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Istvan Albert
On May 16, 5:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we

An expression that rebinds a variable?

2007-05-17 Thread GreenH
Can I know what kind of expressions rebind variables, of course unlike in C, assignments are not expressions (for a good reason) So, eval(expr) should bring about a change in either my global or local namespace, where 'expr' is the expression --

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Victor Kryukov napisał(a): Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_.

Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (May 16)

2007-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
Beliavsky wrote: On May 16, 2:45 pm, Cameron Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QOTW: Sometimes you just have to take the path of least distaste. - Grant Edwards I want to choose my words carefully here, so I'm not misunderstood. rest snipped I think Cameron Laird does a good job with

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Istvan Albert
On May 16, 11:09 pm, Gregor Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On May 16, 12:54 pm, Gregor Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Istvan Albert schrieb: So the solution is to forbid Chinese XP ? Who said anything like that? It's just an example of surprising and

Re: Declaring variables

2007-05-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-05-16, HMS Surprise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No haven't had to endure Pascal. Mostly C/C++, Tcl, and assembler. I must have you mixed up with somebody else who recently mentioned having Pascal as their first real language. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow!

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. And has stayed around to dog the developers, as so many quick fixes do ... Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're

Re: In a text file: how do I tell the EOF, from a blank line?

2007-05-17 Thread walterbyrd
On May 16, 10:12 pm, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-17, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has already been explained to you by at least 5 different people -- complete with examples. Sorry about dual posting. I am using google groups. Usually, after I submit a

Re: Trying to choose between python and java

2007-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cameron Laird wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . | #5 someone said that they used to

progress indicator in a mod_python script

2007-05-17 Thread Rajarshi
Hi, I have a web application built using mod_python.Currently it behaves like a standard CGI - gets data from a form, performs a query on a backend database and presents a HTML page. However the query can sometimes take a bit of time and I'd like to show the user some form of indeterminate

Re: Execute commands from file

2007-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
i3dmaster wrote: On May 16, 1:05 pm, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Blume wrote: tmp123 schrieb We have very big files with python commands (more or less, 50 commands each file). It is possible to execute them command by command, inp = open(cmd_file) for line in inp:

Re: tkFileDialog.askopenfilename()

2007-05-17 Thread rahulnag22
On May 16, 6:21 am, Hamilton, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, When I call tkFileDialog.askopenfilename() , the dialog box opens with the current directory as the default directory. Is it possible to open the dialog box with a directory other than the

Re: how do I count spaces at the beginning of a string?

2007-05-17 Thread Steven Howe
Paul McGuire wrote: On May 16, 9:02 pm, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The strings start with whitespace, and have a '*' or an alphanumeric character. I need to know how many whitespace characters exist at the beginning of the string. using buitlin function len() and lstrip() ax

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I'd suggest restricting identifiers under the rules of UTS-39, profile 2, Highly Restrictive. This limits mixing of scripts in a single identifier; you can't mix Hebrew and ASCII, for example, which prevents problems with mixing right to left and left to right scripts. Domain names have

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Boddie
John Nagle wrote: Victor Kryukov wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry

Re: searching algorithm

2007-05-17 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-05-11, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Every node is a tuple of its letter, a list of its children, and | a list of its words. So the two 'pelin' nodes would be (with 'e' | referenced in the 'h' node): | |

Re: Newbie: Joining Lists

2007-05-17 Thread Matimus
One: Not that I know of Two: You could use list comprehension... --- CODE -- import os import glob patterns = ('.\\t*.py', '.\\*.c??', '.\\*.txt') filenames = [glob.glob(pat) for pat in patterns] # Or as a one liner... filenames = [glob.glob(pat) for pat

Re: Execute commands from file

2007-05-17 Thread Maric Michaud
Steve Holden a écrit : i3dmaster wrote: On May 16, 1:05 pm, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Blume wrote: tmp123 schrieb We have very big files with python commands (more or less, 50 commands each file). It is possible to execute them command by command, inp =

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Cioffi
I think the first question I would have is what kind of dynamic content are you talking about? Is this a web app kind of thing, or just a content pushing site? While Django might not be v1.0 yet, it seems very solid and stable, and perfect for quickly building powerful content based dynamic

Re: Execute commands from file

2007-05-17 Thread Martin Blume
Steve Holden schrieb Try it on a file that reads something like xxx = 42 print xxx and you will see NameError raised because the assignment hasn't affected the environment for the print statement. [...] No, because there isn't one. Now try adding a function definition

Re: An expression that rebinds a variable?

2007-05-17 Thread Maric Michaud
GreenH a écrit : Can I know what kind of expressions rebind variables, of course unlike in C, assignments are not expressions (for a good reason) So, eval(expr) should bring about a change in either my global or local namespace, where 'expr' is the expression For global scope you could use

Re: Newbie: Joining Lists

2007-05-17 Thread 7stud
On May 17, 3:49 am, mosscliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been playing with GLOB and OS.PATH and it all works, but is there a better way of getting GLOB to recognise, multiple patterns at one call (ONE). A better way? You haven't posted a way to do that. And a quick perusal of the docs

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread John Nagle
Jarek Zgoda wrote: Victor Kryukov napisał(a): Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry

omissions in python docs?

2007-05-17 Thread 7stud
Hi, 1) The shelve module doesn't list close() as a method. 2) The fnmatch module does not even mention translate(). I have a hard time believing I am the first one to notice those omissions. Are the docs just old and poorly maintained? Or, is there some reason those methods were omitted? --

Re: A bug in cPickle?

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
This does seem odd, at the very least. The differences between the pn codes comes from this comment in cPickle.c: /* Make sure memo keys are positive! */ /* XXX Why? * XXX And does positive really mean non-negative? * XXX pickle.py starts with PUT index 0, not

Re: omissions in python docs?

2007-05-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
7stud schrieb: I have a hard time believing I am the first one to notice those omissions. Are the docs just old and poorly maintained? Or, is there some reason those methods were omitted? You are likely the first one to notice, and then talk about that. It often happened in the past that

FreeType

2007-05-17 Thread Glich
Hi, where can I download freetype (= 2.1.7)? I need it to use matplotlib. I have search a lot but still can not find it. Thanks! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[ANN] markup.py 1.7

2007-05-17 Thread Daniel Nogradi
A new release is available for markup.py, a module for generating HTML/XML output painlessly and practically without any learning curve. The goal of markup.py is to be able to quickly put together documents in an ad hoc basis so if you need anything for production look for something else, e.g.

Re: Declaring variables

2007-05-17 Thread HMS Surprise
On May 17, 9:34 am, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-16, HMS Surprise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No haven't had to endure Pascal. Mostly C/C++, Tcl, and assembler. I must have you mixed up with somebody else who recently mentioned having Pascal as their first real language.

Re: try

2007-05-17 Thread HMS Surprise
On May 17, 7:51 am, Dustan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 16, 4:22 pm, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HMS Surprise wrote: I read in the ref man that try-except-finally did not work in earlier versions, I am using jython 2.2. Does this imply that try-except without finally

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Istvan Albert
On May 17, 9:07 am, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: up. I interviewed about 20 programmers (none of them Python users), and most took the position I might not use it myself, but it surely can't hurt having it, and there surely are people who would use it. Typically when you ask

Re: FreeType

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Bentley
On May 17, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Glich wrote: Hi, where can I download freetype (= 2.1.7)? I need it to use matplotlib. I have search a lot but still can not find it. Thanks! Type 'freetype' in the google search form, and click the I'm Feeling Lucky button. If that doesn't work for some

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread rurpy
On May 17, 4:56 am, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... (look me in the eye and tell me that def is an English word, or that getattr is one) That's not quite fair. They are not english words but they are derived from english and have a memonic value to english speakers that they don't

Re: Asyncore Help?

2007-05-17 Thread billiejoex
On 14 Mag, 06:51, Paul Kozik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have trouble finding a solid example for what I need. Python.org and other sites provide simple examples, but they appear more intended for servers that simply send one peice of data to the client. Not a big deal. asynchat / asyncore are

Re: Asyncore Help?

2007-05-17 Thread billiejoex
On 14 Mag, 06:51, Paul Kozik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have trouble finding a solid example for what I need. Python.org and other sites provide simple examples, but they appear more intended for servers that simply send one peice of data to the client. Not a big deal. asynchat / asyncore are

(Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python

2007-05-17 Thread Wildemar Wildenburger
To make it short: Is there something like this already? There seem to loads of python frameworks for Web-Apps, but I have a hard time finding one for desktop-apps. I imagine it wouldn't be too hard (if still time consuming) whipping up something simple myself, but I thought, I'd ask here before

Is wsgi ready for prime time?

2007-05-17 Thread Ron Garret
The wsgiref module in Python 2.5 seems to be empty: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Sites/modpy]$ python Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Mar 1 2007, 10:09:05) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import wsgiref dir(wsgiref)

Re: Is wsgi ready for prime time?

2007-05-17 Thread Stargaming
Ron Garret wrote: The wsgiref module in Python 2.5 seems to be empty: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Sites/modpy]$ python Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Mar 1 2007, 10:09:05) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import

Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers

2007-05-17 Thread Gregor Horvath
Istvan Albert schrieb: After the first time that your programmer friends need fix a trivial bug in a piece of code that does not display correctly in the terminal I can assure you that their mellow acceptance will turn to something entirely different. Is there any difference for you in

Re: Is wsgi ready for prime time?

2007-05-17 Thread Michele Simionato
On May 17, 8:09 pm, Ron Garret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wsgiref module in Python 2.5 seems to be empty: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Sites/modpy]$ python Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Mar 1 2007, 10:09:05) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license

Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python

2007-05-17 Thread memracom
There seem to loads of python frameworks for Web-Apps, but I have a hard time finding one for desktop-apps. I imagine it wouldn't be too hard (if still time consuming) whipping up something simple myself, but I thought, I'd ask here before diving into it. Sounds like you should look at DABO

Re: omissions in python docs?

2007-05-17 Thread memracom
It often happened in the past that patches were admitted which don't simultaneously update the documentation, hence they diverge. These days, patches are regularly rejected for not providing proper documentation changes. Nevertheless, the docs *ARE* old and poorly maintained. Sometimes you

Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (May 16)

2007-05-17 Thread memracom
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Regexes: How to handle escaped characters

2007-05-17 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! I need some help with finding matches in a string that has some characters which are marked as escaped (in a separate list of indices). Escaped means that they must not be part of any match. My current approach is to look for matches in substrings with the escaped characters as

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