Re: How to get outer class name from an inner class?
On May 9, 6:05 am, John Gordon gor...@panix.com wrote: I'd like to group the classes underneath a parent class, like so: class Question(ApplicationException): class TooShort(ApplicationException): pass class TooLong(ApplicationException): pass This will make it easier in the future for organizing lots of sub-errors. My problem is this: the get_message() method in the base class only knows the current class name, i.e. TooShort or TooLong. But that's not enough; I also need to know the outer class name, i.e. Question.TooShort or Question.TooLong. How do I get the outer class name? This might do the trick: import inspect def exception_members(scope): classes = (m[1] for m in inspect.getmembers(scope, inspect.isclass)) return set( c for c in classes if Exception in c.__mro__ ) class ApplicationException(Exception): @property def outer_scope(self): for _class in exception_members(inspect.getmodule(self.__class__)): if self.__class__ in exception_members(_class): return _class def get_message(self): scope = self.outer_scope class_name = scope.__name__ + '.' if scope else '' class_name += self.__class__.__name__ return class_name When get_message is run, it looks in the module where the exception was defined for any new classes derived from Exception, then looks at the members of each of those to see if it matches the current object's class. Not really well tested, so beware :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: return respective values when mutiple keys are passed in dictionary
Thanks Arnaud
List comprehension method really works nicely.sorry for late reply.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Arnaud Delobelle arno...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 May 2012 12:31, Nikhil Verma varma.nikhi...@gmail.com wrote:
HI All
I was clearing my concepts on dictionary and stuck in this problem.
I have a dictionary which i have formed by using zip function on two
list so
that one list (which i have hardcoded) becomes the keys and the other
list
becomes its values.
Now i want to know how can i get the values of keys at once if i pass the
keys in a dictionary.
Let say I have a dictionary
mydict = {'a':'apple' , 'b':'boy' ,'c' : 'cat', 'd':'duck','e':'egg'}
Now if i do :-
mydict.get('a')
'apple'
mydict['a'] is the usual way to get the value associated with a key.
The difference is that it will throw an exception if the key doesn't
exist, which is most of the time the sanest thing to do.
What i want is some i pass keys in get and in return i should have all
the
values of those keys which i pass.
##
mydict.get('a','b','c')###demo for what i want
'apple','boy','cat'### Output i want
#
1. You can use a list comprehension
[mydict[k] for k in 'a', 'b', 'c']
['apple', 'boy', 'cat']
2. You can use map (for python 3.X, you need to wrap this in list(...))
map(mydict.__getitem__, ['a', 'b', 'c'])
['apple', 'boy', 'cat']
3. You can use operator.itemgetter
from operator import itemgetter
itemgetter('a', 'b', 'c')(mydict)
('apple', 'boy', 'cat')
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tweaking random number
Hi All I want to generate a random number of 8 digits which involve 3 number and 5 digits. Like this :- def random_number(): # do something random_number() 123abcde # first 3 numbers and 5 letters after the numbers. I am able to generate the random number 8 digit like this:- def random_number(): characters = list(string.ascii_lowercase + string.ascii_uppercase\ + string.digits) coll_rand = [] for i in range(8): random.shuffle(characters) coll_rand.append(characters[0]) return ''.join(coll_rand) This generates like this Kkrgt56r Thanks in advance -- Regards Nikhil Verma +91-958-273-3156 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tweaking random number
On 09/05/2012 08:01, Nikhil Verma wrote: Hi All I want to generate a random number of 8 digits which involve 3 number and 5 digits. Like this :- def random_number(): # do something random_number() 123abcde # first 3 numbers and 5 letters after the numbers. I am able to generate the random number 8 digit like this:- def random_number(): characters = list(string.ascii_lowercase + string.ascii_uppercase\ + string.digits) coll_rand = [] for i in range(8): random.shuffle(characters) coll_rand.append(characters[0]) return ''.join(coll_rand) This generates like this Kkrgt56r Use random.choice to pick a random digit or a random letter. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tweaking random number
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Nikhil Verma varma.nikhi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All I want to generate a random number of 8 digits which involve 3 number and 5 digits. (That's 3 digits and 5 letters) Pretty easy. Do you want to distinguish between uppercase and lowercase letters? Your current random_number function (btw, I wouldn't call it number as it isn't one) is most of one possible solution. Divide it into two parts, one part that generates the digits and another part that generates the letters. Your 'characters' template would thus be different for the two parts. There are other solutions, which involve the generation of less random numbers, but your way will work. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to get outer class name from an inner class?
Am 08.05.2012 22:05, schrieb John Gordon: [...] class QuestionTooShortError(ApplicationException): User entered a security question which is too short. pass class QuestionTooLongError(ApplicationException): User entered a security question which is too long. pass This scheme works, but I'd like to make it more streamlined. Specifically, I'd like to group the classes underneath a parent class, like so: class Question(ApplicationException): class TooShort(ApplicationException): pass class TooLong(ApplicationException): pass This will make it easier in the future for organizing lots of sub-errors. What is it that this parent class represents? What is the relation between class Question and class TooShort? In general terms, it isn't even a parent class but just an outer class, a parent class implies that child classes inherit from it. I think that you're going about this the wrong way, and that a module represents much better what you are trying to express here. Your code actually looks a bit like it was written with a strong Java or C++ background, could that be the case? My problem is this: the get_message() method in the base class only knows the current class name, i.e. TooShort or TooLong. But that's not enough; I also need to know the outer class name, i.e. Question.TooShort or Question.TooLong. How do I get the outer class name? # in module Question class _Exception(ApplicationException): def get_message(self): return self._lookup_message(Question. + self.__class__.__name__) class TooLong(_Exception): pass You might even be able to look up the module name instead of hard-coding it in one place. Uli -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tweaking random number
Nikhil Verma wrote: Hi All I want to generate a random number of 8 digits which involve 3 number and 5 digits. Like this :- def random_number(): # do something random_number() 123abcde # first 3 numbers and 5 letters after the numbers. I am able to generate the random number 8 digit like this:- def random_number(): characters = list(string.ascii_lowercase + string.ascii_uppercase\ + string.digits) coll_rand = [] for i in range(8): random.shuffle(characters) coll_rand.append(characters[0]) return ''.join(coll_rand) This generates like this Kkrgt56r Thanks in advance If you generalize your random_number() function import random, string def random_code(n=8, chars=string.ascii_lowercase+string.ascii_uppercase+string.digits): ... return .join(random.choice(chars) for _ in range(n)) ... random_code() 'NgcLhYdR' random_code() 'j9gafcHh' random_code(chars=123ABC) 'C311BA31' random_code(n=4) 'MAsV' you can use it as a building block quite easily: def three_five(): ... return random_code(3, string.digits) + random_code(5, string.ascii_lowercase + string.ascii_uppercase) ... three_five() '656xEWmd' three_five() '589XqZcI' three_five() '168iOOIM' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Question of Python second loop break and indexes
//final_1 is a list of Identifier which I need to find corresponding files(four lines) in x(x is the file) and write following four lines in a new file. //because the order of the identifier is the same, so after I find the same identifier in x , the next time I want to start from next index in x,which will save time. That is to say , when the if command satisfied ,it can automatically jump out out the second while loop and come to the next identifier of final_1 ,meanwhile the j should start not from the beginning but the position previous. //when I run the code it takes too much time more than one hour and give the wrong resultso could you help me make some improvement of the code? i=0 offset_1=0 while i len(final_1): j = offset_1 while j len(x1): if final_1[i] == x1[j]: new_file.write(x1[j]) new_file.write(x1[j+1]) new_file.write(x1[j+2]) new_file.write(x1[j+3]) offset_1 = j+4 quit_loop=True if quit_loop == True:break else: j=j +1 i=i+1 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I run a python program from an internet address?
Albert albertsu...@gmail.com writes: I have a small text based python program that I want to make available to people who might be behind a firewall or can't install python on their office computers, but can access the internet. What kind of people? I.e. is it something you're doing for work, where the users are (say) your co-workers? If you're just asking the simplest way to put a python script on a web page, I'd say it's to write a cgi and put it behind a normal web server. I'd avoid stuff like Google app server if possible, especially if there are any privacy concerns about the data going into the program. I much prefer to use cheap virtual servers even though I have to pay for them. They are amazingly affordable: you can get a 128MB server with enough resources for typical personal websites for a couple USD a month. That approach does require you to know a little bit about server administration but it's not that big a deal. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Question of Python second loop break and indexes
On 09/05/2012 09:36, lilin Yi wrote: //final_1 is a list of Identifier which I need to find corresponding files(four lines) in x(x is the file) and write following four lines in a new file. //because the order of the identifier is the same, so after I find the same identifier in x , the next time I want to start from next index in x,which will save time. That is to say , when the if command satisfied ,it can automatically jump out out the second while loop and come to the next identifier of final_1 ,meanwhile the j should start not from the beginning but the position previous. //when I run the code it takes too much time more than one hour and give the wrong resultso could you help me make some improvement of the code? i=0 offset_1=0 while ilen(final_1): j = offset_1 while jlen(x1): if final_1[i] == x1[j]: new_file.write(x1[j]) new_file.write(x1[j+1]) new_file.write(x1[j+2]) new_file.write(x1[j+3]) offset_1 = j+4 quit_loop=True if quit_loop == True:break else: j=j +1 i=i+1 This is roughly equivalent: j = 0 for f in final_1: try: # Look for the identifier starting at index 'j'. j = x1.index(f, j) except ValueError: # Failed to find the identifier. pass else: # Found the identifier at index 'j'. new_file.write(x1[j]) new_file.write(x1[j + 1]) new_file.write(x1[j + 2]) new_file.write(x1[j + 3]) # Skip over the 4 lines. j += 4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which book?
On Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:16:01 UTC+1, d.p...@gmail.com wrote: folks hi, I am going to learn python for some plot issues. which book or sources, do you recommend please? Cheers, Dave I started with Dive Into Python. It's getting old now but for me it really catches the spirit of Python programming; clean, readable, and idiomatic. Plus it's fairly concise itself and emphasises the standard libraries. If you get stuck, obviously just search, but there is a lot of good info on Stack Overflow particularly. James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Python Lazy?
Emeka wrote: Hello All, Could one say that generator expressions and functions are Python way of introducing Lazy concept? Regards, \Emeka -- /Satajanus Nig. Ltd / No. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re:rndom number tweaks
Hi Chris (That's 3 digits and 5 letters) Pretty easy. Do you want to distinguish between uppercase and lowercase letters? No i really don't care for that. I just want first three should be numbers and rest 5 are characters. 123aAbBc Can you give examples ? -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com To: python-list@python.org Cc: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:44:00 +1000 Subject: Re: tweaking random number On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Nikhil Verma varma.nikhi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All I want to generate a random number of 8 digits which involve 3 number and 5 digits. (That's 3 digits and 5 letters) Pretty easy. Do you want to distinguish between uppercase and lowercase letters? Your current random_number function (btw, I wouldn't call it number as it isn't one) is most of one possible solution. Divide it into two parts, one part that generates the digits and another part that generates the letters. Your 'characters' template would thus be different for the two parts. There are other solutions, which involve the generation of less random numbers, but your way will work. ChrisA -- Regards Nikhil Verma +91-958-273-3156 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Question of Python second loop break and indexes
Am 09.05.2012 10:36, schrieb lilin Yi:
//final_1 is a list of Identifier which I need to find corresponding
files(four lines) in x(x is the file) and write following four lines
in a new file.
//because the order of the identifier is the same, so after I find the
same identifier in x , the next time I want to start from next index
in x,which will save time. That is to say , when the if command
satisfied ,it can automatically jump out out the second while loop and
come to the next identifier of final_1 ,meanwhile the j should start
not from the beginning but the position previous.
//when I run the code it takes too much time more than one hour and
give the wrong resultso could you help me make some improvement of
the code?
If the code takes too much time and gives the wrong results, you must
fix and improve it. In order to do that, the first thing you should do
is get familiar with test-driven development and Python's unittest
library. You can start by fixing the code, but chances are that you will
break it again trying to make it fast then. Having tests that tell you
after each step that the code still works correctly is invaluable.
Some more comments below...
i=0
offset_1=0
while i len(final_1):
j = offset_1
while j len(x1):
if final_1[i] == x1[j]:
new_file.write(x1[j])
new_file.write(x1[j+1])
new_file.write(x1[j+2])
new_file.write(x1[j+3])
offset_1 = j+4
quit_loop=True
if quit_loop == True:break
else: j=j +1
i=i+1
Just looking at the code, there are a few things to note:
1. You are iterating i from zero to len(final_1)-1. The pythonic way
to code this is using for i in range(len(final_1)): However, since
you only use the index i to look up an element inside the final_1
sequence, the proper way is for f in final_1:...
2. Instead of writing four lines separately, you could write them in a
loop: for x in x1[j:j+4]: new_file.write(x).
3. x1 is a list, right? In that case, there is a member function
index() that searches for an element and accepts an optional start
position.
4. The quit_loop is useless, and you probably are getting wrong
results because you don't reset this value. If you use break at the
place where you assign True to it, you will probably get what you
want. Also, Python has real boolean variables with the two values True
and False, you don't have to use strings.
Concerning the speed, you can probably improve it by not storing the
lines of the input file in x1, but rather creating a dictionary
mapping between the input value and the according four lines:
content = open(...).readlines()
d = {}
for i in range(0, len(content), 4):
d[content[i]] = tuple(content[i, i+4])
Then, drop the offset_1 (at least do that until you have the code
working correctly), as it doesn't work with a dictionary and the
dictionary will probably be faster anyway.
The whole loop above then becomes:
for idf in final_1:
for l in d.get(idf):
new_file.write(l)
;)
I hope I gave you a few ideas, good luck!
Uli
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Re: Help with how to combine two csv files
Sammy Danso wrote: Hello Experts, I am new to python and I have been trying to merge two csv files, and upon several hours of unsuccessful attempts, I have decided to seek for help. the format of the file is as follows. file A has columns a, b, c and values 1,2,3 for several rows. File B also has columns d,e and values 4,5 for same number of rows as A. the files however do not have any unique column between the two. I want an output file C to have columns a,b,c,d,e with values 1,2,3,4,5 I would be very grateful for your help with some code. Thanks very much, Sammy Post some code so we may point at your problem. The solution is easy, the code very small. Something like (pseudo code): import csv writer = csv.writer(file3) for index, row in enumerate(csv.reader(file1)): writer.writerow(row + csv.reader(file2)[index]) JM -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to get outer class name from an inner class?
On May 8, 4:05 pm, John Gordon gor...@panix.com wrote: I'm trying to come up with a scheme for organizing exceptions in my application. Currently, I'm using a base class which knows how to look up the text of a specific error in a database table, keyed on the error class name. The base class looks like this: class ApplicationException(Exception): Base class for application-specific errors. def get_message(self): Return the error message associated with this class name. class_name = self.__class__.__name__ return UserMessage.objects.get(key=class_name).text And then I define a bunch of subclasses which all have different names: class QuestionTooShortError(NetIDAppsError): User entered a security question which is too short. pass class QuestionTooLongError(NetIDAppsError): User entered a security question which is too long. pass This scheme works, but I'd like to make it more streamlined. Specifically, I'd like to group the classes underneath a parent class, like so: class Question(ApplicationException): class TooShort(ApplicationException): pass class TooLong(ApplicationException): pass This will make it easier in the future for organizing lots of sub-errors. It's no more or less organized than using a module, so use a module. This is why they exist, after all. That being said, this seems like a bad idea to me: this is a lot of code and types just for a message lookup! Exception types should usually be created based on what you expect users to catch, not based on what you could throw. If all of these exceptions will be handled in the same way, then they shouldn't be distinct types. Adam -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
Hi, I'm not big Python user but like to keep a eye on this mailing list as there are a few subjects that can be applied to other languages and just for general interest (Yes, I'm a geek!!! lol) This message thread has really shocked me: I've been a programmer for some thirty years and yes in the past I've had code/intellectual property stolen mainly by corporate bodies (well more like little upstart twats that cannot come up with ideas for themselves, acting in the name of a company.) I've never been able to do anything about it, proving that code and/or an idea has been stolen is not a simple thing to do... But surely in this case, as the project is so visibly the intellectual property of Luke that Risinger and his sheep are standing on the edge of a very large and loose cliff! To: python-list@python.org From: tjre...@udel.edu Subject: Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:35:22 -0400 On 5/8/2012 5:47 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: From what others have posted, it has a new code repository (that being the ostensible reason for the fork), project site, and mailing list -- the latter two incompetently. Apparently, the only thing he has kept are the domain and project names (the latter for sure not legitimately). Update: the pyjs.org group (or member thereof) has registered pyjs as a new project name on pypi and released pyjames0.8.1 as pyjs0.8.1. So they seem not to be claiming the name 'pyjames', at least not on pypi. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:10:13 AM UTC-5, james hedley wrote: Agreed with pretty much all of that. It's third-world politics, lurching from one dictator to another. Risinger seems to have banned all discussion of the subject from the list too, I'm not posting anymore because I don't want to give him an excuse to wield his newly found banhammer. hello James, i'm not really sure what you're referring too ... you appear to be making these things up. i have not banned anything, or even alluded to it, whatsoever. i asked that one specific mail not be commented upon, as a request; perhaps this is the dreaded bannhammer you speak of? reading your accounts strewn about is interesting, what exactly are *your* motives? a simple curiosity, nothing more. your comparison to gov'ts is pretty skewed i would say, you know this as well as i. regardless of what you think or know of me, i have a permanent track record of being pretty fair and receptive to virtually anything, and am involved in a wide range of projects. Luke is a talented developer, there is no doubt of this, but he is one of the most socially inept persons i have ever encountered. leading your users to statements such as this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/pyjamas-dev/credo/pyjamas-dev/xzp4CCWhJN4/nQ3-emtYFVgJ ... dozens of times on several occasions, is truly incredible. other such behavior, eg. being the only person in the history of the webkit project to ever be *ejected* from contributing or communicating *at all*, is further testament to the deficiencies provoking this maneuver. however, i have no interest in comparing or being compared. go read my notes again; i have a high level of respect for Luke in many capacities, and this has not changed. lets make one thing perfectly clear; you are not the only one who cares of this project or wishes it to succeed. mistakes were made. problems were had. the decisions however, stands. But yeah, a lot of the commentary from the pro-rebel side ( not that any of them admit they had anything to do with it ) really does come across as being ill-informed and childish. indeed, you have witnessed little chatter. however, barring your belief of such, i had received dozens of notes thanking me and attesting to a renewed impetus for action. the original goal was to purchase a domain and fork -- i made this very clear in my notes -- `uxpy.net`. however, the most respectable member of the commit IMO convinced me otherwise. names names, yes you want names? sorry :-(. alas, he, myself, and numerous others are still active and moving forward. the list is actually approaching 100 ... not the 4-5 you so graciously quoted. i am simply the point man willing to stand the flurry. likewise, i did not convince the domain holder to give me the domain. not only was he already aware prior to me approaching him -- list member, passive -- he was more that willing to assist in reinstating the projects foundations and direction. he *was* the person who left Luke in charge ... why do you think he was the owner? as far as im concerned, the domain was already hijacked; this was, in good faith, intended as remedy. this was not a easy or light decision, the dissonance exists to this day. the idea was to retain Luke, but he decided to play legal threats as the first card (which i'm afraid can only backfire), before he even knew of the domain changes. hge is not a victim here, nor is anyone else. so please, show some cognitive capacity by realizing this is not as black-and-white as you's like it to be. when you decide to include yourself -- sooner, or later -- you are more than welcome. @alex23 ... try reading a bit further. as a human i am subject to annoyance and frustration. i probably shouldn't have started the message in that manner, but the absurdity and absolute inaccurate statements being made were rather upsetting. you will note that i make it perfectly clear that Luke is a fantastic developer, and a great part of the team. this of course has neither waned nor faltered. i encourage anyone willing to take the time to consult the archives, pyjamas' and elsewhere, as they are the only path to proper answers. this will impact the project in both known and untold ways, but we have a great number of minds willing to push beyond. -- C Anthony -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
dynamically selecting a class to instantiate based on the object attributes.
I have a bunch of objects of the same type. Each object has a version attribute and this refers to source code that was used to make the object. SouceCode is maintained in separate files. eg. myclass_01.py, myclass_02.py, myclass_03.py, myclass_04.py .. During object instantiaton, i would like to use the specific class, that corresponds to the version of the class that was used to create the object. However i cant know the specific myclass_??.py before i read the version attribute of the object. Seems like a situation where i have to partially instantiate the object to read the version attribute, and after that continue with instantiaton with the specific version of the version.. Is this doeable? - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pydev configuration
I suppose this is the nearest thread... editor configuration and all. I'm using PyDev in a MyEclipse environment and it works fine, except for one tiny but horrible niggle. The editor function I can't find is block indent/exdent... like you can block comment/uncomment it would be really handy to be able to do the same with indentation. I cannot believe the function isn't there, but I cannot find it. PyDev works fine now I'm running in the latest JRE, btw: used to bomb the 1.6 JRE on a regular basis. -- View this message in context: http://python.6.n6.nabble.com/Pydev-configuration-tp1102326p4962800.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
It's also quite ironic that the initial complaining started from how the domain name www.pyjs.org is not available only pyjs.org is. At the same time the Rebel Chief's listed domain name on github, see https://github.com/xtfxme, gives you a server not found: http://the.xtfx.me/ :) On 5/9/12, anth...@xtfx.me anth...@xtfx.me wrote: On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:10:13 AM UTC-5, james hedley wrote: Agreed with pretty much all of that. It's third-world politics, lurching from one dictator to another. Risinger seems to have banned all discussion of the subject from the list too, I'm not posting anymore because I don't want to give him an excuse to wield his newly found banhammer. hello James, i'm not really sure what you're referring too ... you appear to be making these things up. i have not banned anything, or even alluded to it, whatsoever. i asked that one specific mail not be commented upon, as a request; perhaps this is the dreaded bannhammer you speak of? reading your accounts strewn about is interesting, what exactly are *your* motives? a simple curiosity, nothing more. your comparison to gov'ts is pretty skewed i would say, you know this as well as i. regardless of what you think or know of me, i have a permanent track record of being pretty fair and receptive to virtually anything, and am involved in a wide range of projects. Luke is a talented developer, there is no doubt of this, but he is one of the most socially inept persons i have ever encountered. leading your users to statements such as this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/pyjamas-dev/credo/pyjamas-dev/xzp4CCWhJN4/nQ3-emtYFVgJ ... dozens of times on several occasions, is truly incredible. other such behavior, eg. being the only person in the history of the webkit project to ever be *ejected* from contributing or communicating *at all*, is further testament to the deficiencies provoking this maneuver. however, i have no interest in comparing or being compared. go read my notes again; i have a high level of respect for Luke in many capacities, and this has not changed. lets make one thing perfectly clear; you are not the only one who cares of this project or wishes it to succeed. mistakes were made. problems were had. the decisions however, stands. But yeah, a lot of the commentary from the pro-rebel side ( not that any of them admit they had anything to do with it ) really does come across as being ill-informed and childish. indeed, you have witnessed little chatter. however, barring your belief of such, i had received dozens of notes thanking me and attesting to a renewed impetus for action. the original goal was to purchase a domain and fork -- i made this very clear in my notes -- `uxpy.net`. however, the most respectable member of the commit IMO convinced me otherwise. names names, yes you want names? sorry :-(. alas, he, myself, and numerous others are still active and moving forward. the list is actually approaching 100 ... not the 4-5 you so graciously quoted. i am simply the point man willing to stand the flurry. likewise, i did not convince the domain holder to give me the domain. not only was he already aware prior to me approaching him -- list member, passive -- he was more that willing to assist in reinstating the projects foundations and direction. he *was* the person who left Luke in charge ... why do you think he was the owner? as far as im concerned, the domain was already hijacked; this was, in good faith, intended as remedy. this was not a easy or light decision, the dissonance exists to this day. the idea was to retain Luke, but he decided to play legal threats as the first card (which i'm afraid can only backfire), before he even knew of the domain changes. hge is not a victim here, nor is anyone else. so please, show some cognitive capacity by realizing this is not as black-and-white as you's like it to be. when you decide to include yourself -- sooner, or later -- you are more than welcome. @alex23 ... try reading a bit further. as a human i am subject to annoyance and frustration. i probably shouldn't have started the message in that manner, but the absurdity and absolute inaccurate statements being made were rather upsetting. you will note that i make it perfectly clear that Luke is a fantastic developer, and a great part of the team. this of course has neither waned nor faltered. i encourage anyone willing to take the time to consult the archives, pyjamas' and elsewhere, as they are the only path to proper answers. this will impact the project in both known and untold ways, but we have a great number of minds willing to push beyond. -- C Anthony -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to get outer class name from an inner class?
John Gordon wrote:
I'm trying to come up with a scheme for organizing exceptions in
my application.
Currently, I'm using a base class which knows how to look up the text
of a specific error in a database table, keyed on the error class name.
The base class looks like this:
class ApplicationException(Exception):
Base class for application-specific errors.
def get_message(self):
Return the error message associated with this class name.
class_name = self.__class__.__name__
return UserMessage.objects.get(key=class_name).text
And then I define a bunch of subclasses which all have different names:
class QuestionTooShortError(NetIDAppsError):
User entered a security question which is too short.
pass
class QuestionTooLongError(NetIDAppsError):
User entered a security question which is too long.
pass
This scheme works, but I'd like to make it more streamlined. Specifically,
I'd like to group the classes underneath a parent class, like so:
class Question(ApplicationException):
class TooShort(ApplicationException):
pass
class TooLong(ApplicationException):
pass
This will make it easier in the future for organizing lots of sub-errors.
My problem is this: the get_message() method in the base class only knows
the current class name, i.e. TooShort or TooLong. But that's not
enough; I also need to know the outer class name, i.e. Question.TooShort
or Question.TooLong. How do I get the outer class name?
Thanks,
You're going way too much into details regarding your exceptions.
Basically, you need to create an exception class is at some point you
need different handlers.
For instance,
try:
whatever()
except Question.TooShort:
dosomething()
except Question.TooLong:
dosomethingelse()
But I'm not sure you really need this.
Try to keep it simple.
You fetch you exception message from a database, is that really required
? Why can't you just write it in your code ?
Another problem is getting the database key from the class name, this
makes difficult changing any class name, I'm not sure this is a good idea.
Anyway I'm not sure I'm helping here, providing more questions than answer.
What you could do :
class AppException(Exception): pass
class Question(AppException): pass
class TooShort(Question): pass
class TooLong(Question): pass
def getName(cls):
if not hasattr(cls, '__base__'):
raise ValueError('Not a new class style')
if cls is AppException:
return cls.__name__
return getName(cls.__base__)+'.' + cls.__name__
getName(TooShort)
'AppException.Question.TooShort'
This implies you're using only inheritance, not using class as
ccontainer/namespace.
JM
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Re: Communication between C++ server and Python app
kenk wrote: Hi, I've got a server process written in C++ running on Unix machine. On the same box I'd like to run multiple Python scripts that will communicate with this server. Can you please suggest what would be best was to achieve this ? Kind regards and thanks in advance! M. xmlrpc shoudl do it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML-RPC There's is a client/server python module fort that, same for C++. Your python client will be able to call C++ server procedures. It could be slighlty overkill but that get rid of the tedious socket programming. JM -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
the original goal was to purchase a domain and fork -- i made this very clear in my notes -- `uxpy.net`. however, the most respectable member of the commit IMO convinced me otherwise. (I'm a total outsider, never used pyjs.) Anthony, you never explained what the reasoning behind the advice of the most respectable member of the commit was. Why didn't you finally buy the new domain name, pick a new name, and fork the project? As it stands now the obvious answer for most people is because it looked easier to just take over than to build a new community, new infrastructure, new fame, etc, and I sure as hell like to take the easy road as opposed to the hard road. Until you clearly explain your reasoning for taking over as opposed to forking, the default answer is the above one. Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
tee-like behavior in Python
Hello, how can I achieve a behavior like tee in Python? * execute an application * leave the output to stdout and stderr untouched * but capture both and save it to a file (resp. file-like object) I have this code proc = subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.STDOUT) while True: out = proc.stdout.readline() if out == '' and proc.poll() != None: break sys.stdout.write(out) logfile.write(out) This works so far but always buffers a couple of lines and outputs them en bloc. The final output is like it is desired but with a significant delay. Is there a way around that? Thanks, Florian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Real time event accuracy
I'd like to send MIDI events from python to another program. I'd like advice as to how to accurately time the events. I'll have a list of floating point start times in seconds for the events, and I'd like to send them off as close to the correct time as possible. I'd also appreciate suggestions and pointers to a suitable python MIDI library, and maybe an outline of what must be done to get the MIDI events to the other program's MIDI in. Thanks, Tobiah -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
On 05/09/2012 11:52 AM, Tobiah wrote: I'd like to send MIDI events from python to another program. I'd like advice as to how to accurately time the events. I'll have a list of floating point start times in seconds for the events, and I'd like to send them off as close to the correct time as possible. I'd also appreciate suggestions and pointers to a suitable python MIDI library, and maybe an outline of what must be done to get the MIDI events to the other program's MIDI in. Thanks, Tobiah You really need to specify the OS environment you're targeting, as well as telling what program you're intending to feed MIDI into, if you've already picked one. Also, the midi file format has timing information, and that timing should be much better than trying to do it in python before sending commands to some external program. In other words, instead of sleeping in your code and then issuing one midi event, use the midi file format to send a stream of commands that will be played according to the timing information included. -- DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tee-like behavior in Python
On 05/09/2012 11:35 AM, Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, how can I achieve a behavior like tee in Python? * execute an application * leave the output to stdout and stderr untouched * but capture both and save it to a file (resp. file-like object) I have this code proc = subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.STDOUT) while True: out = proc.stdout.readline() if out == '' and proc.poll() != None: break sys.stdout.write(out) logfile.write(out) This works so far but always buffers a couple of lines and outputs them en bloc. The final output is like it is desired but with a significant delay. Is there a way around that? Thanks, Florian Chances are that other program is buffering its output. Many programs check if they're running on a tty, and turn off buffering for interactive use. But redirect them into a pipe, and they'll run as efficiently as possible, which includes buffering the output. -- DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tee-like behavior in Python
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: Hello, how can I achieve a behavior like tee in Python? * execute an application * leave the output to stdout and stderr untouched * but capture both and save it to a file (resp. file-like object) I have this code proc = subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.STDOUT) while True: out = proc.stdout.readline() if out == '' and proc.poll() != None: break sys.stdout.write(out) logfile.write(out) This works so far but always buffers a couple of lines and outputs them en bloc. The final output is like it is desired but with a significant delay. Is there a way around that? Perhaps this would help: http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html#popen-constructor specifically, the bits about setting bufsize to 0 indicating unbuffered behaviour. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
On 05/09/2012 09:13 AM, Dave Angel wrote: On 05/09/2012 11:52 AM, Tobiah wrote: I'd like to send MIDI events from python to another program. I'd like advice as to how to accurately time the events. I'll have a list of floating point start times in seconds for the events, and I'd like to send them off as close to the correct time as possible. I'd also appreciate suggestions and pointers to a suitable python MIDI library, and maybe an outline of what must be done to get the MIDI events to the other program's MIDI in. Thanks, Tobiah You really need to specify the OS environment you're targeting, as well as telling what program you're intending to feed MIDI into, if you've already picked one. I'm using Kontakt on Windows 7. The MIDI file think would be good, but (not having that computer in front of me) I don't think that Kontakt had the ability to open a MIDI file. Now, I know that I could load the file into Reaper, and use Kontakt as a plugin. My problem is that I can't afford to mess with GUI menus during my composition process. I need to edit a python program in Vi, then slap it out to python, hearing the music, then edit again. The cycle has to be very quick in order to get anything done. Loading Kontakt with a bunch of samples is very time consuming, so it needs to keep running. Now, if I could find a program that would interpret the MIDI file and send events off to Kontakt either as a plugin or standalone, then the MIDI file generation idea would be perfect. Also, the midi file format has timing information, and that timing should be much better than trying to do it in python before sending commands to some external program. In other words, instead of sleeping in your code and then issuing one midi event, use the midi file format to send a stream of commands that will be played according to the timing information included. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
I don't know the details of how Kontakt works, but you can try pygame.midi: pygame.midi - is a portmidi wrapper orginally based on the pyportmidi wrapper. Also pygame.music can play midi files. Can get input from midi devices and can output to midi devices. For osx, linux and windows. New with pygame 1.9.0. python -m pygame.examples.midi --output (http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInMusic) Pedro -- http://pedrokroger.net http://musicforgeeksandnerds.com/ On May 9, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Toby wrote: On 05/09/2012 09:13 AM, Dave Angel wrote: On 05/09/2012 11:52 AM, Tobiah wrote: I'd like to send MIDI events from python to another program. I'd like advice as to how to accurately time the events. I'll have a list of floating point start times in seconds for the events, and I'd like to send them off as close to the correct time as possible. I'd also appreciate suggestions and pointers to a suitable python MIDI library, and maybe an outline of what must be done to get the MIDI events to the other program's MIDI in. Thanks, Tobiah You really need to specify the OS environment you're targeting, as well as telling what program you're intending to feed MIDI into, if you've already picked one. I'm using Kontakt on Windows 7. The MIDI file think would be good, but (not having that computer in front of me) I don't think that Kontakt had the ability to open a MIDI file. Now, I know that I could load the file into Reaper, and use Kontakt as a plugin. My problem is that I can't afford to mess with GUI menus during my composition process. I need to edit a python program in Vi, then slap it out to python, hearing the music, then edit again. The cycle has to be very quick in order to get anything done. Loading Kontakt with a bunch of samples is very time consuming, so it needs to keep running. Now, if I could find a program that would interpret the MIDI file and send events off to Kontakt either as a plugin or standalone, then the MIDI file generation idea would be perfect. Also, the midi file format has timing information, and that timing should be much better than trying to do it in python before sending commands to some external program. In other words, instead of sleeping in your code and then issuing one midi event, use the midi file format to send a stream of commands that will be played according to the timing information included. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
I'd also appreciate suggestions and pointers to a suitable python MIDI library, and maybe an outline of what must be done to get the MIDI events to the other program's MIDI in. Mark Wirt's MidiUtil is a nice library for MIDI. It doesn't do exactly what you want (it generates MIDI files) but it's a nice library and it may be a good starting point: http://code.google.com/p/midiutil/ Pedro -- http://pedrokroger.net http://musicforgeeksandnerds.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How do I find out what file an import is using?
I am trying to work with a Python script someone else wrote. The script includes the line from Level3Utils import * I need to look at the functions that are included in that import. In an effort to identify exactly which file is being used, I renamed the Level3Utils.py and Level3Utils.pyc files in the same folder as the script I'm working on. The import command in PythonWin executed without error. I looked for a file named Level3Utils.py in my Python tree (d:/Python25, in my case). None were there. I then commented out the import line and stepped through the code. It ran without error! The class that should have come from Level3Utils executed successfully without being imported! How do I find out where the class definition actually is? (There is no PYTHONPATH environmental variable defined on my machine.) Thanks very much! RobR -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I find out what file an import is using?
On 5/9/12 6:52 PM, Rob Richardson wrote: I am trying to work with a Python script someone else wrote. The script includes the line from Level3Utils import * I need to look at the functions that are included in that import. In an effort to identify exactly which file is being used, I renamed the Level3Utils.py and Level3Utils.pyc files in the same folder as the script I'm working on. The import command in PythonWin executed without error. I looked for a file named Level3Utils.py in my Python tree (d:/Python25, in my case). None were there. I then commented out the import line and stepped through the code. It ran without error! The class that should have come from Level3Utils executed successfully without being imported! How do I find out where the class definition actually is? (There is no PYTHONPATH environmental variable defined on my machine.) import Level3Utils print Level3Utils.__file__ -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I find out what file an import is using?
On 12-05-09 01:52 PM, Rob Richardson wrote: I am trying to work with a Python script someone else wrote. The script includes the line from Level3Utils import * I need to look at the functions that are included in that import. In an effort to identify exactly which file is being used, I renamed the Level3Utils.py and Level3Utils.pyc files in the same folder as the script I'm working on. The import command in PythonWin executed without error. I looked for a file named Level3Utils.py in my Python tree (d:/Python25, in my case). None were there. I then commented out the import line and stepped through the code. It ran without error! The class that should have come from Level3Utils executed successfully without being imported! import Level3Utils Level3Utils.__file__ -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. IM: da...@vex.net -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I find out what file an import is using?
On 05/09/2012 01:52 PM, Rob Richardson wrote: I am trying to work with a Python script someone else wrote. The script includes the line from Level3Utils import * I need to look at the functions that are included in that import. In an effort to identify exactly which file is being used, I renamed the Level3Utils.py and Level3Utils.pyc files in the same folder as the script I'm working on. The import command in PythonWin executed without error. I looked for a file named Level3Utils.py in my Python tree (d:/Python25, in my case). None were there. I then commented out the import line and stepped through the code. It ran without error! The class that should have come from Level3Utils executed successfully without being imported! How do I find out where the class definition actually is? (There is no PYTHONPATH environmental variable defined on my machine.) Thanks very much! RobR First, if you want to see the import path, just displaysys.path import sys print sys.path Next, it's bad practice to use the form:from import * because it's then hard to see what (if anything) you actually imported from there. And you can easily hide your own globals, or conversely hide some imports with a new global you might define. If removing the import doesn't stop the code from running, you probably aren't using anything from it, and should leave the line out. However, it is frequently useful to find where a module is coming from, and what symbols it defines. I'm using wxversion module for an example, because it's not very big. And I'm doing it interactively, while you probably want to print these values from your code. dir(wxversion) ['AlreadyImportedError', 'UPDATE_URL', 'VersionError', '_EM_DEBUG', '__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__package__', '_find_default', '_find_installed', '_get_best_match', '_pattern', '_selected', '_wxPackageInfo', 'checkInstalled', 'ensureMinimal', 'fnmatch', 'getInstalled', 'glob', 'os', 're', 'select', 'sys'] wxversion.__file__ '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wxversion.pyc' In other words, try print Level3Utils.__file__ -- DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tee-like behavior in Python
On May 9, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, how can I achieve a behavior like tee in Python? * execute an application * leave the output to stdout and stderr untouched * but capture both and save it to a file (resp. file-like object) I have this code proc = subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.STDOUT) while True: out = proc.stdout.readline() if out == '' and proc.poll() != None: break sys.stdout.write(out) logfile.write(out) This works so far but always buffers a couple of lines and outputs them en bloc. The final output is like it is desired but with a significant delay. Is there a way around that? Thanks, Florian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Have you tried explicitly calling file.flush() on the log file? (The docs note that you may have to follow this with os.fsync() on some systems.) -Bill -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
Tobiah t...@tobiah.org writes: I'd like to send MIDI events from python to another program. I'd like advice as to how to accurately time the events. I'll have a list of floating point start times in seconds for the events, and I'd like to send them off as close to the correct time as possible. I don't think you can really do this accurately enough to get good sound, but the basic mechanism is time.sleep(t) which takes a floating point argument. That turns into the appropriate microsleep, I think. I'm not even sure how to do it from C code with the Linux realtime scheduler. Traditionally for this sort of thing you'd use dedicated hardware, or else generate waveforms with a little bit of buffering in the sound card. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
If the support you have from the other contributors is anywhere near what you claim it is, I may as well be kissing Pyjamas goodbye. Doubt it, though - this whole post reeks of vagueities and doublespeak garbage. Too many undefined whos. I'll wait until Leighton gets the reins back. And you know what? Leighton was right to threaten legal action. What you did was not only in violation of his IP, but also multiple data theft laws. ~Temia -- When on earth, do as the earthlings do. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Temia Eszteri lamial...@cleverpun.com wrote: And you know what? Leighton was right to threaten legal action. What you did was not only in violation of his IP, but also multiple data theft laws. As far as copyright goes, it was open source, so he's allowed to continue making modifications. I don't think Luke had any patents. There might be something with stealing the name PyJS (which was, AFAIK, used as a synonym for PyJamas) -- apparently common law trademark is a thing. Otherwise... The domain was apparently not directly owned by Luke (but pointed to a server luke administered), and its transfer was apparently consensual. It seems like nearly every evil thing the hijacker did is legally permissible. The one other thing was the way he created the new mailing list might not have been legal, apparently. (See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2012-May/1291804.html ). -- Devin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
I don't think you can really do this accurately enough to get good sound, but the basic mechanism is time.sleep(t) which takes a floating point argument. That turns into the appropriate microsleep, I think. I think the time would have to come from a hardware clock. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pickle question: sequencing of operations
In article calwzidk3e353cnuuqpwr-4rromx7c9dbzapawurern9uzyu...@mail.gmail.com, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Russell E. Owen ro...@uw.edu wrote: In article rowen-df116b.12542704052...@news.gmane.org, Russell E. Owen ro...@uw.edu wrote: What is the sequence of calls when unpickling a class with __setstate__? I believe it just calls object.__new__ followed by yourclass.__setstate__. So at the point __setstate__ is called, you have a pristine instance of whatever class you're unpickling. I was wondering. I override __new__ (and __init__) to print messages and was quite surprised to only see __new__being called when the object was first created, not when it was being unpickled. But maybe there's something funny about my override that caused unpickle to ignore it and use the default version. I hope so. I can't see how the object could be constructed during unpickle without calling __new__. But that's one reason I was curious about the unpickling sequence of operations. -- Russell -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
strptime format string nasty default
Hi, I am using time.strptime method as follows: I receive an input string, representing some date in the following format: %d%m%Y However, the day part may be a single digit or two, depending on magnitude. For example: '10052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 Again: '8052012' will be parsed as day 8, month 5, year 2012 What happens when day is 1 or 2? '1052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 That's not the expected behaviour! Not for me at least. I mean, in my case, month will always be a 2 digit string, so there's no ambiguity problem by pretending that... say '1052012' is correctly parsed. Is there a way out of here? I know I can pre-parse the string and append a '0' to it when lenght == 7, but I think that a better way would be if strptime allowed me to define my format in a better way... To say that the month is the optional one-two digit part is just a default, isn't it? Why can't I specify that the day part is the one with one-or-two digits on the input string...? Or is there a way out that I don't know yet? -- Javier Novoa C. --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net --- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: strptime format string nasty default
On May 9, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Javier Novoa C. jsti...@invernalia.homelinux.net wrote: Hi, I am using time.strptime method as follows: I receive an input string, representing some date in the following format: %d%m%Y However, the day part may be a single digit or two, depending on magnitude. For example: '10052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 Again: '8052012' will be parsed as day 8, month 5, year 2012 What happens when day is 1 or 2? '1052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 That's not the expected behaviour! Not for me at least. I mean, in my case, month will always be a 2 digit string, so there's no ambiguity problem by pretending that... say '1052012' is correctly parsed. Is there a way out of here? I know I can pre-parse the string and append a '0' to it when lenght == 7, but I think that a better way would be if strptime allowed me to define my format in a better way... To say that the month is the optional one-two digit part is just a default, isn't it? Why can't I specify that the day part is the one with one-or-two digits on the input string...? Or is there a way out that I don't know yet? Delimiters, e.g. dashes, slashes, etc, can remove ambiguity in the date string. Leading 0s in elements in the date would help as well. HTH! -Garrett -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
IDL Books On Sale
Folks, My wife says that as long as I'm retired, she wants the bedroom back, so I've put all my books I have in storage there on sale! I only have four copies left of IDL Programming Techniques, 2nd Edition, and I don't plan to print any more of those. If you want one, this may be your last chance! I have a few of Ronn Kling's books left and enough Traditional IDL Graphics books to make the bonfire at the 4th of July picnic more than spectacular. No more need for these once IDL 8.2 comes out, I guess. ;-) Cheers, David -- David Fanning, Ph.D. Fanning Software Consulting, Inc. Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/ Sepore ma de ni thui. (Perhaps thou speakest truth.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: strptime format string nasty default
On Wed, 2012-05-09, Javier Novoa C. wrote: Hi, I am using time.strptime method as follows: I receive an input string, representing some date in the following format: %d%m%Y However, the day part may be a single digit or two, depending on magnitude. For example: '10052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 Again: '8052012' will be parsed as day 8, month 5, year 2012 What happens when day is 1 or 2? '1052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 That's not the expected behaviour! Not for me at least. I mean, in my case, month will always be a 2 digit string, so there's no ambiguity problem by pretending that... say '1052012' is correctly parsed. Is there a way out of here? I know I can pre-parse the string and append a '0' to it when lenght == 7, but I think that a better way would be if strptime allowed me to define my format in a better way... To say that the month is the optional one-two digit part is just a default, isn't it? Why can't I specify that the day part is the one with one-or-two digits on the input string...? Or is there a way out that I don't know yet? You'd have to read the strptime(3) manual page (it's a Unix function, imported straight into Python, I'm sure). Judging from a quick read it's not intended to support things like these. I'm surprised it doesn't parse your last example to (10, 52, 12) and then fail it due to month12. Can't you use a standard date format, like ISO? Apart from not being possible to parse with standard functions, this one looks quite odd and isn't very human-readable. If you have to use this format, I strongly recommend parsing it manually as text first. Then you can create an ISO date and feed that to strptime, or perhaps use your parsed (day, month, year) tuple directly. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se O o . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDL Books On Sale
David Fanning writes: Folks, My wife says that as long as I'm retired, she wants the bedroom back, so I've put all my books I have in storage there on sale! I only have four copies left of IDL Programming Techniques, 2nd Edition, and I don't plan to print any more of those. If you want one, this may be your last chance! I have a few of Ronn Kling's books left and enough Traditional IDL Graphics books to make the bonfire at the 4th of July picnic more than spectacular. No more need for these once IDL 8.2 comes out, I guess. ;-) Cheers, David Whoops! A link might be good, I guess. I've been gone so long I've forgotten how to do this: http://www.idlcoyote.com/store David -- David Fanning, Ph.D. Fanning Software Consulting, Inc. Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/ Sepore ma de ni thui. (Perhaps thou speakest truth.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDL Books On Sale
David Fanning writes: Whoops! A link might be good, I guess. I've been gone so long I've forgotten how to do this: http://www.idlcoyote.com/store Whoops! Sorry again. I just realized I was posting this to my NEW newsgroup. How embarrassing... :-( David -- David Fanning, Ph.D. Fanning Software Consulting, Inc. Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/ Sepore ma de ni thui. (Perhaps thou speakest truth.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: strptime format string nasty default
On 2012-05-09, Jorgen Grahn grahn+n...@snipabacken.se wrote: You'd have to read the strptime(3) manual page (it's a Unix function, imported straight into Python, I'm sure). Judging from a quick read it's not intended to support things like these. I'm surprised it doesn't parse your last example to (10, 52, 12) and then fail it due to month12. Well, it doesn't, at least on my Python. I'm using 2.7.3 version Can't you use a standard date format, like ISO? Apart from not being possible to parse with standard functions, this one looks quite odd and isn't very human-readable. No, sadly the input doesn't depends on me :-( If you have to use this format, I strongly recommend parsing it manually as text first. Then you can create an ISO date and feed that to strptime, or perhaps use your parsed (day, month, year) tuple directly. Ok, I'll do that. /Jorgen Thanks! -- Javier Novoa C. --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net --- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pickle question: sequencing of operations
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Russell E. Owen ro...@uw.edu wrote: I was wondering. I override __new__ (and __init__) to print messages and was quite surprised to only see __new__being called when the object was first created, not when it was being unpickled. But maybe there's something funny about my override that caused unpickle to ignore it and use the default version. I hope so. I can't see how the object could be constructed during unpickle without calling __new__. But that's one reason I was curious about the unpickling sequence of operations. You're probably pickling with the default protocol. Unpickling calls an overridden __new__ method only if the pickle protocol is at least 2. Using protocol 0 or 1, new-style class instances are constructed with the base object.__new__ instead. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: strptime format string nasty default
On 09/05/2012 20:38, Javier Novoa C. wrote: Hi, I am using time.strptime method as follows: I receive an input string, representing some date in the following format: %d%m%Y However, the day part may be a single digit or two, depending on magnitude. For example: '10052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 Again: '8052012' will be parsed as day 8, month 5, year 2012 What happens when day is 1 or 2? '1052012' will be parsed as day 10, month 5, year 2012 That's not the expected behaviour! Not for me at least. I mean, in my case, month will always be a 2 digit string, so there's no ambiguity problem by pretending that... say '1052012' is correctly parsed. Is there a way out of here? I know I can pre-parse the string and append a '0' to it when lenght == 7, but I think that a better way would be if strptime allowed me to define my format in a better way... To say that the month is the optional one-two digit part is just a default, isn't it? Why can't I specify that the day part is the one with one-or-two digits on the input string...? Or is there a way out that I don't know yet? You could just right-justify the string to 8 characters, padding with '0': '1052012'.rjust(8, '0') '01052012' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pickle question: sequencing of operations
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Russell E. Owen ro...@uw.edu wrote: I was wondering. I override __new__ (and __init__) to print messages and was quite surprised to only see __new__being called when the object was first created, not when it was being unpickled. But maybe there's something funny about my override that caused unpickle to ignore it and use the default version. I hope so. I can't see how the object could be constructed during unpickle without calling __new__. But that's one reason I was curious about the unpickling sequence of operations. You're probably pickling with the default protocol. Unpickling calls an overridden __new__ method only if the pickle protocol is at least 2. Using protocol 0 or 1, new-style class instances are constructed with the base object.__new__ instead. BTW, in case you're wondering where all this is documented, pull up PEP 307 and read the sections Case 2 and Case 3. Cheers, Ian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On 09/05/2012 12:02, anth...@xtfx.me wrote: cut all Hello C Anthony, I am an pyjs user and introduced the project as one of the fundamental parts of a new application that is now core of a company of a reasonable size (30+), customers include several companies in the top 10 of largest IT infrastructures, I can mail you a list in private if you wish so. I agree that the project leadership had certainly room for improvement. I also agree that to move forward there had to be made some choices. However, as the person introducing this project in a commercial venture, I am also the one having the responsibility of it in my setting. I have been put in a position where I have to come up with answers, like why the examples page didn't work, why the project seems fragile and if there is any viability at all. Of course, I still believe in the project, with all it warts and so forth. However my position has been made needlessly difficult, because the action you took did not leave room for choice. Let me explain this, if you had forked the project, created a new domain, mailing list and, took over the majority of the devs, I would be able to make a choice if I go with the new guys or stick with the couple of old ones, just like the xorg fork. If your argument is that this was your intention but was persuaded to do other wise, I would say that is a lapse of judgement and not a very good restart of the project. Unfortunately mistakes made in public, even if arguably they are not mistakes at all, are not easy forgotten and can end up haunting you. I hope you will take these comments with you as a lesson learned, I do wish you all the best and look forward to the improvements you are going to contribute. -- Martin P. Hellwig (mph) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tee-like behavior in Python
You've had some good responses already, but here're two more: 1) Easiest would be to use setvbuf in the child process, if you have access to its source. This allows you to force line-oriented buffering. 2) stdio likes to buffer to tty/pty's in a line-oriented manner, and other things in a block-oriented manner - by default, so users get pleasing output increments, and programs get efficiency. To trick stdio into buffering line-oriented by default when it's sending output to another program, you may have to talk to the child process using a pty, AKA a pseudo terminal. There are a few ways of doing this: A) Use CPython's pty module. B) Use something like pexpect. C) Check out the pty program in comp.sources.unix volume 25. This might be pretty easy too, assuming that pty still builds on a modern *ix. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: Hello, how can I achieve a behavior like tee in Python? * execute an application * leave the output to stdout and stderr untouched * but capture both and save it to a file (resp. file-like object) I have this code proc = subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.STDOUT) while True: out = proc.stdout.readline() if out == '' and proc.poll() != None: break sys.stdout.write(out) logfile.write(out) This works so far but always buffers a couple of lines and outputs them en bloc. The final output is like it is desired but with a significant delay. Is there a way around that? Thanks, Florian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Real time event accuracy
On 05/09/2012 03:26 PM, Tobiah wrote: I don't think you can really do this accurately enough to get good sound, but the basic mechanism is time.sleep(t) which takes a floating point argument. That turns into the appropriate microsleep, I think. I think the time would have to come from a hardware clock. Python has a high-res time function when run on an Intel X86 platform, though I forget which one you should use on Windows. The problem is that Windows makes no assurance that you will be executing at that particular point in time. You can approximate it with time.sleep(), which is what Paul Rubin was suggesting. Windows is not a real time operating system. Still, if the system is lightly loaded, sleep() will probably get you within 50 milliseconds. I don't think you should even worry about it till you see the capabilities of whatever MIDI library you choose. I'd be surprised if it doesn't allow you to attach timing hints to the notes, same as the file format I discussed earlier. -- DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pydev configuration
On 05/09/2012 01:16 PM, hamiljf wrote: I suppose this is the nearest thread... editor configuration and all. I'm using PyDev in a MyEclipse environment and it works fine, except for one tiny but horrible niggle. The editor function I can't find is block indent/exdent... like you can block comment/uncomment it would be really handy to be able to do the same with indentation. I cannot believe the function isn't there, but I cannot find it. Select the code block you want to indent and hit Tab. To do the reverse, hit Shift-Tab. Alan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
__del__ and wisdom
Every time discussion about __del__ had come up I had thought to myself, yeah, but I'm being careful to not have reference loops -- /my/ classes are okay. and then... BITE! But hey, it wasn't a reference loop that got me, it was data being written back to disk after the disk portion had changed, thus clobbering new data with old. Yeah, I know, that's not really any better. *sigh* Okay, no more __del__ for me! ~Ethan~ Knowledge is knowing that tomatoes are a fruit. Wisdom is not putting them in a fruit salad. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tee-like behavior in Python
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: Hello, how can I achieve a behavior like tee in Python? * execute an application * leave the output to stdout and stderr untouched * but capture both and save it to a file (resp. file-like object) I have this code proc = subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout = subprocess.PIPE, shlex.split() should just be used once, at development time, to determine the form of the argument list. It shouldn't generally be used at runtime. Otherwise, you need to do the proper escaping/quoting yourself, which defeats the entire purpose of bypassing the shell. Cheers, Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
Hi ya, Not to be confrontative but just because a project is open-source, it doesn't mean IP is open too!! The original idea is still property of the originator... It just has the global community adding their own IP and fixes. This is a core of corporate contracts ensuring that a developers IP become freely usable by the company they work for at the time, but their IP is still their IP. In the UK at least, a developers IP cannot be hijacked by a company contract. If you write some code while working for X, then X has free usage of that IP and may restrict you from using the same IP for company Y, but only for a limited time (ie 5 years)… The IP you came up with is still yours and a contract that claims your IP can (and has been in a court of law) judged to be null and void. The problem is proving it!!! From: jeanpierr...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:00:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack To: lamial...@cleverpun.com CC: python-list@python.org On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Temia Eszteri lamial...@cleverpun.com wrote: And you know what? Leighton was right to threaten legal action. What you did was not only in violation of his IP, but also multiple data theft laws. As far as copyright goes, it was open source, so he's allowed to continue making modifications. I don't think Luke had any patents. There might be something with stealing the name PyJS (which was, AFAIK, used as a synonym for PyJamas) -- apparently common law trademark is a thing. Otherwise... The domain was apparently not directly owned by Luke (but pointed to a server luke administered), and its transfer was apparently consensual. It seems like nearly every evil thing the hijacker did is legally permissible. The one other thing was the way he created the new mailing list might not have been legal, apparently. (See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2012-May/1291804.html ). -- Devin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On 09/05/2012 23:30, Adrian Hunt wrote: In the UK at least, a developers IP cannot be hijacked by a company contract. If you write some code while working for X, then X has free usage of that IP and may restrict you from using the same IP for company Y, but only for a limited time (ie 5 years)… The IP you came up with is still yours and a contract that claims your IP can (and has been in a court of law) judged to be null and void. References please, as this is completely opposite to my understanding. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Adrian Hunt cybor...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi ya, Not to be confrontative but just because a project is open-source, it doesn't mean IP is open too!! The original idea is still property of the originator... It just has the global community adding their own IP and fixes. This is a core of corporate contracts ensuring that a developers IP become freely usable by the company they work for at the time, but their IP is still their IP. Luke Leighton was not the originator of the project. James Tauber was, and his original code was a port of Google Web Toolkit. Even if Luke could somehow be considered the owner of the project, it was released under the Apache License, which includes a /perpetual/, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, /irrevocable/ copyright license to reproduce, /prepare Derivative Works of/, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Work and such Derivative Works. I don't agree with what Anthony has done, but I don't see how it violates the license in any way or how Luke has any possible recourse through IP claims. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
Hi Ian, Well there you have me... You release code under a license, you bound by it even if later you think better of it... Seller be ware!! From: ian.g.ke...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:59:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack To: cybor...@hotmail.com On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Adrian Hunt cybor...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi ya, Not to be confrontative but just because a project is open-source, it doesn't mean IP is open too!! The original idea is still property of the originator... It just has the global community adding their own IP and fixes. This is a core of corporate contracts ensuring that a developers IP become freely usable by the company they work for at the time, but their IP is still their IP. Luke Leighton was not the originator of the project. James Tauber was, and his original code was a port of Google Web Toolkit. Even if Luke could somehow be considered the owner of the project, it was released under the Apache License, which includes a /perpetual/, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, /irrevocable/ copyright license to reproduce, /prepare Derivative Works of/, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Work and such Derivative Works. I don't agree with what Anthony has done, but I don't see how it violates the license in any way or how Luke has any possible recourse through IP claims. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
Hi there Mark There has been a few that I know of but going back quite a long time... Soon after I got my qualifications, a small company called Merlio, not only did the court case get passed in UK courts by it went to the European court too... I wasn't directly involved but I know the EU court upheld the decision of the UK courts. Still there are was little to no enforcement of what they decided!!! Any how IP IS the IP of the developer... Proving it and enforcing it is another matter!! To: python-list@python.org From: breamore...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:44:01 +0100 On 09/05/2012 23:30, Adrian Hunt wrote: In the UK at least, a developers IP cannot be hijacked by a company contract. If you write some code while working for X, then X has free usage of that IP and may restrict you from using the same IP for company Y, but only for a limited time (ie 5 years)… The IP you came up with is still yours and a contract that claims your IP can (and has been in a court of law) judged to be null and void. References please, as this is completely opposite to my understanding. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On 10/05/2012 00:19, Adrian Hunt wrote: Hi there Mark There has been a few that I know of but going back quite a long time... Soon after I got my qualifications, a small company called Merlio, not only did the court case get passed in UK courts by it went to the European court too... I wasn't directly involved but I know the EU court upheld the decision of the UK courts. Still there are was little to no enforcement of what they decided!!! Any how IP IS the IP of the developer... Proving it and enforcing it is another matter!! To: python-list@python.org From: breamore...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:44:01 +0100 On 09/05/2012 23:30, Adrian Hunt wrote: In the UK at least, a developers IP cannot be hijacked by a company contract. If you write some code while working for X, then X has free usage of that IP and may restrict you from using the same IP for company Y, but only for a limited time (ie 5 years)… The IP you came up with is still yours and a contract that claims your IP can (and has been in a court of law) judged to be null and void. References please, as this is completely opposite to my understanding. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Google was a right PITA but eventually I found this http://www.legalcentre.co.uk/intellectual-property/guide/intellectual-property-and-employees/ It appears to contradict what you've said above, or have I misread it? E.g Under the (Patents) Act (1977), there is a presumption that an employer will own the patent of an invention made by its employee if the invention was made in the employee’s normal or specifically assigned duties and either, an invention might reasonably be expected to result from such duties or, the employee has a special obligation to further the employee’s interests, arising from the nature of those duties and responsibilities and the employee’s status. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Google was a right PITA but eventually I found this http://www.legalcentre.co.uk/intellectual-property/guide/intellectual-property-and-employees/ It appears to contradict what you've said above, or have I misread it? E.g Under the (Patents) Act (1977), there is a presumption that an employer will own the patent of an invention made by its employee if the invention was made in the employee’s normal or specifically assigned duties and either, an invention might reasonably be expected to result from such duties or, the employee has a special obligation to further the employee’s interests, arising from the nature of those duties and responsibilities and the employee’s status. That's patents... intellectual property goes by other rules I think. I am not a lawyer, and I try to avoid getting placed in any position where this sort of thing will come up, because it's messy... especially with internationalization. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On 10/05/2012 01:27, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Mark Lawrencebreamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Google was a right PITA but eventually I found this http://www.legalcentre.co.uk/intellectual-property/guide/intellectual-property-and-employees/ It appears to contradict what you've said above, or have I misread it? E.g Under the (Patents) Act (1977), there is a presumption that an employer will own the patent of an invention made by its employee if the invention was made in the employee’s normal or specifically assigned duties and either, an invention might reasonably be expected to result from such duties or, the employee has a special obligation to further the employee’s interests, arising from the nature of those duties and responsibilities and the employee’s status. That's patents... intellectual property goes by other rules I think. I am not a lawyer, and I try to avoid getting placed in any position where this sort of thing will come up, because it's messy... especially with internationalization. ChrisA The title of the referenced page is Intellectual Property and Employees. My quote is from the Employees and Patents section, but there are several more sections, so it appears that patents are a part of the intellectual property rule set. I'm with you on avoiding this type of situation, but sadly the whole pyjamas issue is a right pig's ear :( -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On 10May2012 10:27, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: | On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: | Google was a right PITA but eventually I found this | http://www.legalcentre.co.uk/intellectual-property/guide/intellectual-property-and-employees/ | It appears to contradict what you've said above, or have I misread it? E.g | Under the (Patents) Act (1977), there is a presumption that an employer | will own the patent of an invention made by its employee if the invention | was made in the employee’s normal or specifically assigned duties and | either, an invention might reasonably be expected to result from such duties | or, the employee has a special obligation to further the employee’s | interests, arising from the nature of those duties and responsibilities and | the employee’s status. | | That's patents... intellectual property goes by other rules I think. Patents _are_ IP. You may mean copyright, also IP. Copyright goes to the author, except that most companies require employees to assign it to the company, including the Berne Convention moral rights (such as attribution). Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ People are paid for coming in the morning and leaving at night, and for saying Good morning in the morning and Good afternoon in the afternoon and never confusing the two. - Albert Shanker, president of the American Federation of Teachers -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Patents _are_ IP. You may mean copyright, also IP. Copyright goes to the author, except that most companies require employees to assign it to the company, including the Berne Convention moral rights (such as attribution). Oh. Thanks, I stand corrected. Like I said, not a lawyer. :) ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
__doc__+= Detailed description
Hi. Started using python a few months back, still settling on my style. I write docstrings and I use pydoc mymodule to refresh my memory. Problem: if I just docstring my classes/methods/functions the output of pydoc more or less works as a reference manual, but if I get sidetracked for even a few weeks I find that documentation inadequate when I return to my code. I need to see some introductory context first, so that the reference material makes sense. Wery well, write a module docstring then. The problem now: the many paragraphs of detailed description at the top of the module get in the way. The pydoc output is good, but the code becomes hard to read. So I come up with this: ## #! env python One-liner docstring. # Many classes, methods, functions, attributes, # with docstrings as needed. Docs tend to be # short and the code speaks for itself. # ... # Much further down, ___doc___+= Detailed description goes here. Provide some context, explain what the classes are for and what the most important methods are, give simple examples, whatever. Say enough to make the rest understandable. if __name__ == __main__: # test code follows ## It seems to work, too. But is that a sound way to write python? Am I relying on undocumented implementation details or am I safe? I guess I am trying to control the order of exposition without resorting to full-fledged Literate Programming. -- pa at panix dot com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Re: __doc__+= Detailed description
pa@see.signature.invalid (Pierre Asselin) writes: Hi. Started using python a few months back, still settling on my style. Welcome! Please consider your part in the Python community, and found your style on PEP 8 URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/, the Style Guide for Python Code. I write docstrings and I use pydoc mymodule to refresh my memory. Excellent. Please conform to the Docstring Conventions of PEP 257 URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/. Problem: if I just docstring my classes/methods/functions the output of pydoc more or less works as a reference manual Hmm. That doesn't sound like a good use for docstrings. They are reference material, but very focussed; a “reference manual” sounds much more comprehensive and isn't well suited to docstrings, in my opinion. but if I get sidetracked for even a few weeks I find that documentation inadequate when I return to my code. Yes, that would be a natural outcome of trying to make docstrings too large. There are other forms of documentation available, such as a separate reference manual, that you could write as well. Wery well, write a module docstring then. The problem now: the many paragraphs of detailed description at the top of the module get in the way. The pydoc output is good, but the code becomes hard to read. So don't put so much into the module docstring. Your module should consist of many smaller pieces, mainly classes and functions. Document the specifics in those more local docstrings. So I come up with this: ## #! env python One-liner docstring. # Many classes, methods, functions, attributes, # with docstrings as needed. Docs tend to be # short and the code speaks for itself. # ... # Much further down, ___doc___+= Detailed description goes here. Provide some context, explain what the classes are for and what the most important methods are, give simple examples, whatever. Say enough to make the rest understandable. I'm having trouble imagining what would need to be put in that separate chunk of docstring. Can you point to real code online that uses this style? if __name__ == __main__: # test code follows As an aside, if your modules are complex, this style of test code is likely to be too big for shoving into the same module, and too brittle written this way. Instead, make lots of distinct, focussed unit tests using the ‘unittest’ module, and make other kinds of tests (e.g. feature tests) using other frameworks – leaving the actual implementation code clear of this cruft. It seems to work, too. But is that a sound way to write python? Am I relying on undocumented implementation details or am I safe? I think you're trying to make one file do everything, which is ignoring the better organisation that multiple files can make. I guess I am trying to control the order of exposition without resorting to full-fledged Literate Programming. Yes. Maybe you need to let go of this need to control the order in which the reader views your code; we're going to be looking at small, focussed parts anyway, not reading the whole thing in one go. So work with that instead. -- \“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though | `\ nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is.” | _o__) —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[issue13815] tarfile.ExFileObject can't be wrapped using io.TextIOWrapper
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Well, if it's not documented, it's technically a private API. Also, there doesn't seem to be any explicit use of ExFileObject outside of tarfile.py: http://code.google.com/codesearch#searchq=lang:python+exfileobject -- nosy: +pitrou ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13815 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13210] Support Visual Studio 2010
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment: I'd say go ahead and apply it. We can deal with any aftermath later (which, by my VS 2008 experience, will well take several years - we still haven't fully recovered from the switch to VS 2008). -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13210 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14746] Remove redundant paragraphs from getargs.c skipitem()
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: I'm not sure what you're proposing to fix. It seems to save at most a couple of lines of (obvious) code? At least Py_ssize_t *could* have a different width from PyObject *. -- nosy: +mark.dickinson, pitrou ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14746 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14746] Remove redundant paragraphs from getargs.c skipitem()
Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org added the comment: I'm not sure what you're proposing to fix. It seems to save at most a couple of lines of (obvious) code? Well, I *did* specify low priority. Attached is the patch for what I had in mind. At least Py_ssize_t *could* have a different width from PyObject *. Not Py_ssize_t, Py_ssize_t *. -- keywords: +patch Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file25505/larry.prune.skipitem.1.diff ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14746 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14746] Remove redundant paragraphs from getargs.c skipitem()
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: At least Py_ssize_t *could* have a different width from PyObject *. Not Py_ssize_t, Py_ssize_t *. Ah, fair enough then. Looks ok to me. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14746 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14746] Remove redundant paragraphs from getargs.c skipitem()
Roundup Robot devn...@psf.upfronthosting.co.za added the comment: New changeset 8ab37fa24e58 by Larry Hastings in branch 'default': Issue #14746: Remove redundant paragraphs from skipitem() in Python/getargs.c. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/8ab37fa24e58 -- nosy: +python-dev ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14746 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14746] Remove redundant paragraphs from getargs.c skipitem()
Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org added the comment: Thanks for the double-check. I should have more confidence! -- resolution: - fixed stage: needs patch - committed/rejected status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14746 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
New submission from anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: It would be convenient if instead of: hdlr = logging.StreamHandler() hglr.setLevel(logging.DEBUG) root.addHandler(hdlr) it would be possible to write: root.addHandler(logging.StreamHandler().setLevel(logging.DEBUG)) -- components: Library (Lib) messages: 160252 nosy: techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14760 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14245] float rounding examples in FAQ are outdated
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[issue14591] Value returned by random.random() out of valid range on 64-bit
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[issue14742] test_tools very slow
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[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: -1. Attribute setters or mutating methods returning self is not a common pattern in Python. See list.sort(). -- nosy: +georg.brandl ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14760 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com added the comment: List is a standard type and it have None returned for a reson. Logging is a library with its own semantic and high level object. Here you don't need to return None to explicitly say that the object was modified in place. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14760 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Well, can you find any other setter method of a high level object in the stdlib that returns self? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14760 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com added the comment: Well, I can remember any other widely used high level objects from stdlib either. HTTP servers perhaps, but they are in a poor state. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14760 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
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[issue14760] logging: make setLevel() return handler itself for chained configuration
anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com added the comment: Well, there is argparse, but it doesn't support method chaining. Whatever, it is just a proposal. If consistency inside stdlib covers calling conventions for bundled user-level libs - I am fine with that. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14760 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14744] Use _PyUnicodeWriter API in str.format() internals
Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com added the comment:
Here is a new patch using _PyUnicodeWriter directly in longobject.c.
It may be worth to do it in a separate issue?
decimal digits) is 17% faster with my patch version 2 compared to tip,
and 38% faster compared to Python 3.3 before my optimizations on str%
tuples or str.format(). Creating a temporary PyUnicode is not cheap, at
least for short strings.
Here is my benchmark script (attached) and the results:
Python 3.3 (vanilla):
1.65str(12345)
2.6 '{}'.format(12345)
2.69'A{}'.format(12345)
3.16'\x80{}'.format(12345)
3.23'\u0100{}'.format(12345)
3.32'\U0001{}'.format(12345)
4.6 '{:-10}'.format(12345)
4.89'A{:-10}'.format(12345)
5.53'\x80{:-10}'.format(12345)
5.71'\u0100{:-10}'.format(12345)
5.63'\U0001{:-10}'.format(12345)
4.6 '{:,}'.format(12345)
4.71'A{:,}'.format(12345)
5.28'\x80{:,}'.format(12345)
5.65'\u0100{:,}'.format(12345)
5.59'\U0001{:,}'.format(12345)
Python 3.3 + format_writer.patch:
1.72str(12345)
2.74'{}'.format(12345)
2.99'A{}'.format(12345)
3.4 '\x80{}'.format(12345)
3.52'\u0100{}'.format(12345)
3.51'\U0001{}'.format(12345)
4.24'{:-10}'.format(12345)
4.6 'A{:-10}'.format(12345)
5.16'\x80{:-10}'.format(12345)
6.87'\u0100{:-10}'.format(12345)
6.83'\U0001{:-10}'.format(12345)
4.12'{:,}'.format(12345)
4.6 'A{:,}'.format(12345)
5.09'\x80{:,}'.format(12345)
6.63'\u0100{:,}'.format(12345)
6.42'\U0001{:,}'.format(12345)
Python 3.3 + format_writer-2.patch:
1.91str(12345)
2.44'{}'.format(12345)
2.61'A{}'.format(12345)
3.08'\x80{}'.format(12345)
3.31'\u0100{}'.format(12345)
3.13'\U0001{}'.format(12345)
4.57'{:-10}'.format(12345)
4.96'A{:-10}'.format(12345)
5.52'\x80{:-10}'.format(12345)
7.01'\u0100{:-10}'.format(12345)
7.34'\U0001{:-10}'.format(12345)
4.42'{:,}'.format(12345)
4.76'A{:,}'.format(12345)
5.16'\x80{:,}'.format(12345)
7.2 '\u0100{:,}'.format(12345)
6.74'\U0001{:,}'.format(12345)
As you can see, there is a regress, and sometimes it is not less than
improvement.
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def bench(stmt, msg=None, number=10):
if msg is None: msg = stmt
best = min(timeit.repeat(stmt, number=number))
print(%.3g\t%s % (best * 1e6 / number, msg))
bench('str(12345)')
for s in ('', 'A', '\u0080', '\u0100', '\U0001'):
bench('%a.format(12345)' % (s + '{}',))
for s in ('', 'A', '\u0080', '\u0100', '\U0001'):
bench('%a.format(12345)' % (s + '{:-10}',))
for s in ('', 'A', '\u0080', '\u0100', '\U0001'):
bench('%a.format(12345)' % (s + '{:,}',))
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[issue14653] Improve mktime_tz to use calendar.timegm instead of time.mktime
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[issue14758] SMTPServer of smptd does not support binding to an IPv6 address
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[issue1439312] Patch for bug 1438185: os.renames deletes junction points
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[issue1378] fromfd() and dup() for _socket on WIndows
Arthur Kantor artkan...@gmail.com added the comment: Hi guys It appears, that this patch was meant to go into both the 2.x and 3.x series, but it never made into 2.x Are there still plans to apply it to 2.7? (apologies if I'm asking this in the wrong forum) -- nosy: +Arthur.Kantor versions: +Python 2.7 -Python 2.6 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1378 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13210] Support Visual Studio 2010
Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com added the comment: I concur with Martin. It is much easier to tweak .vcproj and .props files and such after it has been committed, with lesser diffs to worry about. (A more cautious version of me would have seen this go into a PCBuild10 folder first for a shakedown, with a later rename, but I keep that guy and his fearmongering quiet most of the time.) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13210 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14761] Memleak in import.c load_source_module()
New submission from Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com: In load_source_module() function from import.c, it looks like Py_DECREF is not called where it should be. Please find attached a patch that fixes the leak. This bug has been found using Coccinelle (http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/) using a semantic patch (similar to https://gist.github.com/2634899). -- components: Interpreter Core files: fix_load_source_module_leak.patch keywords: patch messages: 160262 nosy: benjamin.peterson, cassou, lemburg, tim_one priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Memleak in import.c load_source_module() versions: Python 2.7 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file25507/fix_load_source_module_leak.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14761 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14591] Value returned by random.random() out of valid range on 64-bit
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: In test_random, you should use assertLess so that the offending value is displayed on failure. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14591 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14761] Memleak in import.c load_source_module()
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Is it 2.7-only? -- nosy: +brett.cannon, ncoghlan, pitrou stage: - patch review type: - resource usage ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14761 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14761] Memleak in import.c load_source_module()
Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com added the comment: @pitrou I just checked Python-2.7.3 and the tip of the mercurial repository. It's not in the latter at least. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14761 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14762] ElementTree memory leak
New submission from Giuseppe Attardi atta...@di.unipi.it: I confirm the presence of a serious memory leak in ElementTree, using the iterparse() function. Memory grows disproportionately to dozens of GB when parsing a large XML file. For further information, see discussion in: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/bugs/912164?do=post_view_threaded#912164 but notice that the comments attributing the problem to the OS are quite off the mark. To replicate the problem, try this on a Wikipedia dump: iterparse = ElementTree.iterparse(file) id = None for event, elem in iterparse: if elem.tag.endswith(title): title = elem.text elif elem.tag.endswith(id) and not id: id = elem.text elif elem.tag.endswith(text): print id, title, elem.text[:20] -- messages: 160266 nosy: Giuseppe.Attardi priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: ElementTree memory leak type: resource usage versions: Python 2.7 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14762 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
