snip
I spotted a device on the table of the company calibration office...
As I recall, it was a 100A capable resistor... 0.10 OHM.
No idea what it was meant for; big binding posts at one end, and a slab
of sheet steel in a W shape (smooth curves, not sharp bends).
In article 20140307075744.ga43...@cskk.homeip.net,
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
This seems to write the python version to standard error. That seems
very wrong. And at variance with the manual entry.
Fixed in Python 3.4:
http://bugs.python.org/issue18338
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I currently installed python 3.3.4 on mac os mavericks, and want to run it
on Wing IDE. Previously it was running python 2.7.6. When I tried to change
the python excitable in the wing ide configuration mode, and then restarted
it, a dialog box was displayed that said the interpreter of python
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws
wrote:
Would it be better to add a check here, such that if this gets raised
to the top-level it includes a warning (Addition was inplace;
variable probably mutated despite assignment
On 07Mar2014 00:31, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
In article 20140307075744.ga43...@cskk.homeip.net,
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
This seems to write the python version to standard error. That seems
very wrong. And at variance with the manual entry.
Fixed in Python 3.4:
Then, how to make python get debug symbols?
Install python from source with some special configure options?
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Duncan Booth duncan.booth@invalid.invalid writes:
Is there any reason why tuples need to throw an exception on assigning
to the element if the old value and new value are the same object?
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Duncan Booth
duncan.booth@invalid.invalid wrote:
Is there any reason why tuples need to throw an exception on assigning to
the element if the old value and new value are the same object?
It'd be easy enough to implement your own tuple subclass that behaves
that
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:16:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
They produce the wrong exception type, they disappear when you least
expect them, and now we have another reason not to use assert.
http://xkcd.com/1339/
Abusing assert for arg checking violates XKCD 1339. Write
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1339/
Abusing assert for arg checking violates XKCD 1339. Write
standards-compliant code!
Assertions are not bad! They're just misunderstood and abused.
(By the way, assertions are
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Duncan Booth
duncan.booth@invalid.invalid wrote:
Is there any reason why tuples need to throw an exception on assigning to
the element if the old value and new value are the same object?
It'd be easy enough to implement your own tuple
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote:
TypeError: 257 is not 257
I'm not sure help is the right word here ;)
It doesn't help with non-small integers, yes, but the original case
was a list. Personally, I don't think there are many situations that
would benefit from
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:33:49 +, Duncan Booth wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws wrote:
Would it be better to add a check here, such that if this gets raised
to the top-level it includes a warning (Addition was
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dieter wrote:
Wesley nisp...@gmail.com writes:
I wanna use gdb to attach my running python scripts.
Successfully import libpython in gdb, but seems all py operations failed to
read python information.
Here is the snippet:
(gdb) python
import libpython
end
(gdb) py-bt
#3 (unable to read
Using
Python 3.3.3 (v3.3.3:c3896275c0f6, Nov 18 2013, 21:18:40) [MSC v.1600 32 bit
(Intel)] on win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
to run a tkinter + pmw2 application I have the following error on windows xp sp3
Unhandled exception at 0x1e0aebb8 in
In article XnsA2E95FA1E1EB6duncanbooth@127.0.0.1,
Duncan Booth duncan.booth@invalid.invalid wrote:
Is there any reason why tuples need to throw an exception on assigning to
the element if the old value and new value are the same object?
If I say:
a = (spam, [10, 30], eggs)
then
On 2014-03-07, William Ray Wing w...@mac.com wrote:
On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
I spotted a device on the table of the company calibration office...
As I recall, it was a 100A capable resistor... 0.10 OHM.
No idea what it was meant for; big binding posts at
On Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:30:39 AM UTC-8, larry@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:56 PM, William Ray Wing w...@mac.com wrote:
OK, and how many of you remember the original version of the
tongue-in-cheek essay Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal from the back
page of
I am making a text based aventure game for my assignment and a friends test
run has somehow saved over the entire code file and now im using an earlier
version of the code. I have 0 idea if there is anyway to look at the code
using the IDLE and i need to do it to see how i fixed the fatal error
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I would think it would be better if the exception was thrown before the
assignment to the list took place
simply seeing that a modification action was being applied to a tupple
should be enough.
this would alert the
On Friday 07 March 2014 12:29:38 Grant Edwards did opine:
On 2014-03-07, William Ray Wing w...@mac.com wrote:
On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
I spotted a device on the table of the company calibration office...
As I recall, it was a 100A capable resistor...
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:55 AM, NexusRAwesome1995 .
nexusrawes...@gmail.com wrote:
I am making a text based aventure game for my assignment and a friends test
run has somehow saved over the entire code file and now im using an earlier
version of the code. I have 0 idea if there is anyway to
On Mar 7, 2014 1:16 PM, NexusRAwesome1995 . nexusrawes...@gmail.com
wrote:
I am making a text based aventure game for my assignment and a friends
test run has somehow saved over the entire code file and now im using an
earlier version of the code. I have 0 idea if there is anyway to look at
the
I can't find any example on how to do this.
I have a json file like so:
{bostock:[{url:http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/9360565,title:titleplaceholder,date:dateplaceholder},
{url:http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/9265674,title:titleplaceholder,date:dateplaceholder},
In article c583c21d-d0a2-449a-93e2-37db713b3...@googlegroups.com,
Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote:
Then, how to make python get debug symbols?
Install python from source with some special configure options?
If your distribution doesn't have a debug version of Python and you need
to build
teddyb...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't find any example on how to do this.
I have a json file like so:
{bostock:
[{url:http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/9360565,title:titleplaceholder,date:dateplaceholder},
{url:http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/9265674,title:titleplaceholder,date:dateplaceholder},
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Assertions are not bad! They're just misunderstood and abused.
You should read this guy's blog post on when to use assert:
http://import-that.dreamwidth.org/676.html
Nice article.
BTW, what about:
Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com writes:
BTW, what about:
if value = 3:
raise AssertionError('value must be = 3')
That would be very confusing, since it would only appear when the value
is = 3. Were you making some other point?
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On 8-3-2014 1:15, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Assertions are not bad! They're just misunderstood and abused.
You should read this guy's blog post on when to use assert:
I am completely new to programming so thanks for any help!
Not sure it will help, and hopefully I am not self-promoting too much,
but this may be of interest to you:
http://pynguin.googlecode.com/
http://code.google.com/p/pynguin/wiki/StartProgramming
I am interested in feedback from new
On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Lee Harr miss...@hotmail.com wrote:
I am completely new to programming so thanks for any help!
Not sure it will help, and hopefully I am not self-promoting too much,
but this may be of interest to you:
http://pynguin.googlecode.com/
Duncan Booth wrote:
Is there any reason why tuples need to throw an exception on assigning to
the element if the old value and new value are the same object?
It would make introspection misleading, because tuples
would have a __setitem__ method event though they don't
actually support item
On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:05:15 PM UTC-6, Kev Dwyer wrote:
wrote:
I can't find any example on how to do this.
I have a json file like so:
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==
WELCOME TO YOUR NUMBER ONE SOURCE FOR PRESTIGIOUS BULLLSHIT! THE KIND YOU CAN
ONLY GET FROM THRINAXODON CRAZY CHEESY!
NOW FOR YOUR FAVORITE TIME SLOT:
==
THRINAXODON FOUND 3 HUMAN
On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:27:27 PM UTC-5, tedd...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't find any example on how to do this.
I have a json file like so:
{bostock:[{url:http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/9360565,title:titleplaceholder,date:dateplaceholder},
On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:03 PM, John Ladasky john_lada...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
As for FORTRAN? This week, I actually downloaded an application which
required a FORTRAN compiler. This is the only FORTRAN application I've ever
needed. It's not old code, the first revision came out about 10
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM, thrinaxodon...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's better if you (CENSORED) off.
Teddybubu, please understand that the above comment is from a spammer
and does not reflect the prevailing attitude of this list. I don't
like to make content-free posts like this, but as
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Here's another idea: If the __iadd__ method returns the
same object, *and* the LHS doesn't have a __setitem__
method, then do nothing instead of raising an exception.
Maybe it doesn't have a __setitem__ because
Wesley nisp...@gmail.com writes:
Install python from source with some special configure options?
When I last generated Python from source, there was no need
to do anything special to get debugging symbols (the option
(gcc) option -g was automatically included).
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Python 3.3.3 (v3.3.3:c3896275c0f6, Nov 18 2013, 21:18:40) [MSC v.1600 32 bit
(Intel)] on win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
to run a tkinter + pmw2 application I have the following error on windows xp
sp3
New submission from Chester Burns:
I installed python 3.3.3 and it was working fine for the moment, however the
next day when I tried to open it, the idle app showed on the dock for a second
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Ned Deily added the comment:
Try launching IDLE from a Terminal shell window by typing:
/usr/local/bin/idle3.3
and see if it fails there and, if so, any messages shown. One possibility is
the problem reported in http://bugs.python.org/issue18270 which was fixed in
the IDLE shipped with
Georg Brandl added the comment:
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Chester Burns added the comment:
I tried that and it came up with this:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/local/bin/idle3.3, line 5, in module
main()
File
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.3/lib/python3.3/idlelib/PyShell.py,
line 1572, in main
Ned Deily added the comment:
Thanks for the update. That is indeed the symptom of the problem documented in
Issue18270. The best solution is to download and install Python 3.3.4 which
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Éric Araujo added the comment:
It may be a good idea to make this information directly available in the
sysconfig module, for example. Before working on a patch right away, I’d
recommend getting in touch with build tools developers and ask them what other
hidden information they are
Éric Araujo added the comment:
Yes, this issue is not addressed. A test is added by the latest patch and
reproduces the issue; now bdist_rpm should be changed to make the test pass.
See also my previous comment.
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Patch looks good to me.
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
More proposals from the thread (paraphrased):
- make any aware time() object always True (leave naive midnight as False)
- make any aware time() object with a non-zero UTC offset always True (leave
naive midnight and UTC midnight as False)
- deprecate aware
Éric Araujo added the comment:
Thanks Brian, let’s try and get this fixed.
I've put together a patch adding the test requested. There is no problem on
my Ubuntu machine with python 3.3.
Are you saying the test does not reproduce the bug discussed here?
There is a comment in the file saying
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Current status of thread discussion (yes, I'm biased, and that shows in the
phrasing below):
Arguments raised for status quo:
- the module is behaving exactly as described in the documentation
- removing false time values will require affected users to update
Larry Hastings added the comment:
Those six revisions have been cherry-picked into 3.4.0.
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Larry Hastings added the comment:
ok.
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New submission from Martin Thurau:
If you have a descriptor (in my case it was an SQLAlchemy column) on an
instance and this descriptor returns None for a call to __get__ then getattr
with a given default value, will not return the default, but None.
I have no knowledge on the implementation
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Skip Montanaro added the comment:
the current behaviour takes something that would be a harmless style error
for most structured data types ...
I'm not sure what a structured data type is, but in my mind the original
poster's construct is more than a style error. He was using None as a
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Oops, Python 3.4 has ** support in pathlib, but we missed Serhiy's patch for
the glob module itself. We should resolve that discrepancy for 3.5 :)
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Structured data is just a shorthand way of referring to any Python object
which is neither a number or a container and exhibits the default boolean
behaviour where all instances are true.
The problem datetime.time is both that its current behaviour is internally
R. David Murray added the comment:
it wasn't an accident, it was designed so modulo arithmetic could reasonably
be implemented for time() objects (which hasn't been demanded or implemented
since the datetime module was created)
Ah, interesting. I just wrote a program last month where I
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Otherwise I'm pretty sympathetic to the RFE, but I'd really like time
arithmetic to work, so I guess I'd have to be -1 in that case,
wouldn't I?
Adding times of the day sounds as well-defined to me as adding
centigrade temperatures.
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HCT added the comment:
then I guess it's either a new function to int or a new type of int for this
type of operations. similar to bytearray/ctypes and memoryview
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R. David Murray added the comment:
As does adding dates. I'm talking about timedelta arithmetic, just like for
datetimes. I believe that still requires modulo arithmetic :)
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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment:
On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:12 AM, R. David Murray rep...@bugs.python.org wrote:
I asked about it on IRC and someone said it was because arithmetic on times
was ambiguous because of timezones, and I just accepted that rather than
wonder why it hadn't
New submission from NexusRAwesome1995 .:
I am making a text based aventure game for my assignment and a friends test run
has somehow saved over the entire code file and now im using an earlier version
of the code. I have 0 idea if there is anyway to look at the code using the
IDLE and i need
Alexander Belopolsky added the comment:
On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Antoine Pitrou rep...@bugs.python.org wrote:
Adding times of the day sounds as well-defined to me as adding
centigrade temperatures.
What is wrong with adding temperatures? Climate people do it all the time when
Zachary Ware added the comment:
Sorry, the bug tracker is not the place to look for help like this. Please
redirect your question to python-list[1], where several very knowledgeable
people listen in and are ready to render assistance for any manner of problems
using Python.
[1]
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
Oh, by the way my patch fixes also #18191.
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
Here is a patch for Python 3.5 which breaks backward compatibility: urlparse
functions now raise a ValueError if the IPv6 address, port or host is invalid.
Examples of invalid URLs:
- HTTP://WWW.PYTHON.ORG:65536/doc/#frag: 65536 is invalid
-
STINNER Victor added the comment:
My patch urlparse.patch may be modified to fix also #18191 in Python 2.7, 3.3
and 3.4: splitport() should handle IPv6 ([::1]:80) and auth
(user:passowrd@host) but not raises an exception.
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
I posted a patch to #20271 which should fix the issue. I wrote the patch for
Python 3.5, but it can be adapted to be tolerant (don't make extensive tests on
port number, host and IPv6) for older versions.
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Tim Peters added the comment:
[Nick]
- deprecate aware time() entirely (raises the thorny question of what to
return from .time() on an aware datetime() object)
aware_datetime_object.time() already returns a naive time object. The thorny
question is what .timetz() should return - but if
Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 2a922153463e by Brett Cannon in branch 'default':
Issue #20812: Add a short opener to the Python 2/3 porting HOWTO.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/2a922153463e
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New changeset a24085e1b1f5 by Brett Cannon in branch '3.3':
Issue #20813: Backport Python 2/3 HOWTO updates
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/a24085e1b1f5
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Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset c83ce2a1841c by Brett Cannon in branch 'default':
null merge for issue #20812
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/c83ce2a1841c
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Brett Cannon added the comment:
Same version now in default, 3.3, and 2.7.
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New submission from Hanno Boeck:
I experience a segmentation fault with python 2.7 (both 2.7.5 and 2.7.6 tested
on Ubuntu and Gentoo) when a large file is piped, the pipe is passed to
os.popen and the process sends a SIGPIPE signal.
To create an easy to reproduce testcase grep can be used.
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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment:
I think the timezone related problems are a red herring. Aware datetime +/-
timedelta arithmetics is naive - tzinfo is ignored in calculations and copied
to the result:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/c83ce2a1841c/Lib/datetime.py#l1711
The utcoffset
New submission from Claudio Canepa:
0. windows specific
i. In the pyglet library, written for py2 and officially running in 3 after the
stock installation that does the 2to3 conversion
ii. Omitting files which are unimportant for the issue, the package dir looks as
pyglet
image
Matheus Vieira Portela added the comment:
I tried to apply the last patch but it returned me and error of failing hunk. I
think it was based on an old version of the test_bdist_rpm.py file.
Hence, I made this updated version of the patch and could get the expected
failure during the tests.
I
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Éric Araujo added the comment:
Contrary to makedirs, there could be two interpretations for exist_ok in
copytree: a) if a directory or file already exists in the destination, ignore
it and go ahead b) only do that for directories.
The proposed patch does b), but the cp tool does a). It’s
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Éric Araujo added the comment:
If there is indeed a bug, I fear this is one of these areas where a fix
actually breaks other build tools reusing distutils internals.
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Éric Araujo added the comment:
Additional edit to make the patch crystal-clear:
“using all three alphabets (normal, URL and Filesystem safe alphabet).”
→ “using all three alphabets defined in the RFC (normal, URL-safe and
filesystem-safe)”
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Ethan Furman added the comment:
If no one else has gotten to this in the next six months or so, I will. :)
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Andrew Svetlov added the comment:
Implementation uses the first choice:
main_thread() returns the original _MainThread instance, even if it's dead in
the child process.
I'm sorry, would you guess desired documentation change?
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Sean Wolfe added the comment:
I did a couple tests and the shift-tab and tab work pretty much as expected.
There's a small quirk for a single-line edit:
* place cursor on beginning of line
* tab forward
-- the text indents as expected
* shift-tab
-- the entire line is highlighted
-- the cursor
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