Ben Finney wrote:
I realise that double underscores make the language conceptually
cleaner in many ways (because fancy syntax and operator overloading
are just handled by methods), but they don't *look* nice.
That's a good thing, in that it draws attention to the names.
Well, double
Sergio Correia wrote:
I don't get this thread. At all. I want my 15 minutes back.
I think it's a sort of Turing test, to fine-tune some spammer's text
generating algorithm.
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Robert Bossy wrote:
Indeed! Maybe the best choice for chunksize would be the file's buffer
size... I won't search the doc how to get the file's buffer size because
I'm too cool to use that function and prefer the seek() option since
it's lighning fast regardless the size of the file and it
Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
This is a quick poll to have scientific data on our beloved troll community:
Whose trolling behaviour is more professional? (check one)
You forgot to mention Ilias Lazaridis. He needs to be Analyzed and
Evaluated, too.
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Steve Holden wrote:
the XML file is almost a TB in size...
Good grief. When will people stop abusing XML this way?
Not before somebody writes a clever xmlfs for the linux kernel :-/
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Marco Mariani wrote:
the XML file is almost a TB in size...
Good grief. When will people stop abusing XML this way?
Not before somebody writes a clever xmlfs for the linux kernel :-/
Ok.
I meant it as a joke, but somebody has been there and done that.
Twice.
http://xmlfs.modry.cz
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
sig=lambda m:'@'.join(['.'.join([w[::-1] for w in p.split('.')]) for p
in m.split('@')])
Pff... you call that a quicksort?
From http://www.p-nand-q.com/python/obfuscated_python.html
import sys
funcs = range(10)
def A(_,o):
_[3]=_[5]()
def B(_,o):
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
sig=lambda m:'@'.join(['.'.join([w[::-1] for w in p.split('.')]) for p
in m.split('@')])
Pff... you call that a quicksort?
From http://www.p-nand-q.com/python/obfuscated_python.html
import sys
funcs = range(10)
def A(_,o):
_[3]=_[5]()
def B(_,o):
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
Pff... you call that a quicksort?
Nope, only somewhat obfuscated Python. And it seems it's at least
obfuscated enough for you to believe it could be a quicksort
implementation !-)
You're right, but I'm past the quine age and don't bother parsing
obfuscated code
Tim Golden wrote:
I've recently used Elixir and found it very useful for a small-scale
database with no more than a dozen tables, well-structured and
easily understood. I'd certainly use it again for anything like that
to save me writing what would amount to boilerplate SQL. But I'd
hate to
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
A simple select query would be db.select('customers') or
db.select('customers', name='John').
But you can also resort to plain sql as follows: db.query('select *
from customers where name = John').
Simple, effective and doesn't get in your way.
Seems nice too
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which one do you think will educate me the best?
Advanced javascript might teach you something too, and be very useful at
the same time.
Take a look at the Crockford lessons on Yahoo! Video.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/111593
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/111594
Penny Y. wrote:
Javascript is different from Java at all.
I think even rocks know that. Yet, some use of closure and
prototype-based inheritance might be interesting to the OP.
Why not Perl?
Come on, learning Perl after two years of Python? How harsh.
Perl is a functional language,
And
Aaron Watters wrote:
stuff out there you can get so easily -- all the stuff that py3k
will break -- most of which won't get ported -- and if it does can
we be sure it will be tested properly? No, probably you will end
up beta testing someone's quick port of what used to be rock
solid
Torsten Bronger wrote:
If I were you I would keep it a secret until a Hollywood producer
offers big bucks for the film rights.
Who would play Guido, I wonder?
Ralf Möller. No other.
And the GIL killer?
Clive Owen, Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, it makes it more readable. And yes, it does make it (a lot) more
maintainable. Mainly because I don't have those four variables, I have
about thirty. And I think I won't need to one or two of them, but
maybe all of them at once.
have fun with locals(), then (but
azrael wrote:
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic
This hurts. Please give me informations about realy famous
aplications.
He's joking. Perl is a dysfunctional language and
Jens wrote:
I've the checked that i'm referring to the variables correctly, so the
only explanation i can come up with, is that '+' doesn't result in a
string concatenation (with implicit typecast to string of the integer
variable(this is a interpreted language after all)).
No, sorry. You
Jens wrote:
You might have wrong assumptions from previous PHP experiences.
'x'+4
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
... and the non snobby answer would have been:
... dtml-var expr=_['prefix'] +
Jens wrote:
Hey no worriest. Is this the tutorial you're referring to:
http://docs.python.org/lib/typesmapping.html
Is there anything better?
That's the library reference - the one to keep under the pillow.
It also documents the core -- i.e. builtin objects.
As for the language semantics,
Torsten Bronger wrote:
However, join() is really bizarre. The list rather than the
separator should be the leading actor.
No, because join must work with _any sequence_, and there is no
sequence type to put the join method on.
This semantic certainly sets python apart from many other
Gasto wrote:
I still don't see why such a module exists.
There are 2.0 types of programmers: those who always use floating point,
and those who know how to use them.
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Boris Borcic wrote:
One way :
from functools import partial
def func(item) : print item
llist = [partial(func,item) for item in range(5)]
for thing in llist : thing()
0
1
2
3
4
Another way:
class Func(object):
def __init__(self, item):
self.item = item
def
Raymond wrote:
Aren't sed, awk, grep, and perl the reference implementations of search
and replace?
I don't know about reference implementations, but I daresay they are a
mess w.r.t. usability.
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Duncan Booth wrote:
It does this:
@greedy
def getCommandsFromUser():
while True:
yield raw_input('Command?')
for cmd in getCommandsFromUser():
print that was command, cmd
Command?hello
Command?goodbye
that was command hello
Marco Mariani wrote:
Not here..
Oh, sorry, I obviously didn't see the @greedy decorator amongst all the
quoting levels.
Anyway, the idea doesn't make much sense to me :)
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Duncan Booth wrote:
Perhaps if you'd copied all of my code (including the decorator that was
the whole point of it)...
Sure, I missed the point. Python's symbols become quoting levels and
mess up messages.
Anyway, I would loathe to start execution of a generator before starting
to
Lucas Prado Melo wrote:
How could I prove to someone that python accepts this syntax using
the documentation (I couldn't find it anywhere):
classname.functionname(objectname)
TUtorial 9.3.4, method objects
What exactly happens when a method is called? You may have noticed that
x.f() was
Is there a program (free, payware, whatever) like polystyle for
linux/python?
http://www.polystyle.com/features/python-beautifier.jsp
I've never used it, but the example is quite clear.
I just need it for python -- but it should not force me to use PEP8.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The default way of killing the current process on the command line is
Ctrl+C, but that doesn't work with Python.
It should work.
Do you have a bare except: which intercepts SystemExit as well?
If so, be as specific as possible in what you intercept, or at least
Stefan Behnel wrote:
http://www.polystyle.com/features/python-beautifier.jsp
I've never used it, but the example is quite clear.
I tend to believe that running these tools on some average Python code would
not even change whitespace. ;)
I bet it's idempotent against _your_ code, but not in
pistacchio wrote:
On 12 Mag, 10:01, alex23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 12, 5:17 pm, pistacchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi to all!
can i load a module passing to it, automatically and as default, all
the caller's global variables to act as module's global variables?
Are you positively
notbob wrote:
frustrated and give up on learning programming, not really caring much for
coding, anyway. But, dammit, I'm gonna stick with it this time. I'll learn
python if it kills me!
No, it won't kill you but make you stronger ;)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is that true that this comparison operators are gone in Python 3.0:
(is less than)
(is greater than)
= (is less than or equals)
= (is greater than or equals)
Is it true?
Nope.
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alefajnie wrote:
class B:
this_is_common_for_all_instances = []
def __init__(self, v):
self.this_is_common_for_all_instances.append(v)
now I can create some instances of B, but all of them have the same
array, why
Because you didn't reassign the attribute
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have to avoid the use of the 'is' identity operator with basic,
immutable values such as numbers and strings.
I'm glad for you. Did you really write checks like if foo is 27 ?
The point is, you have to learn technologies to use them. It's not like
technologies
alex23 wrote:
Given that all nine of his postings have inflammatory topics, he's
beginning to sound like a troll.
Thank you, I couldn't decide if he was silly or nasty.
Now I know he's both.
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Kees Bakker wrote:
So far, I have seen only one editor that understands the difference between
TABs and indentation, and that is Emacs.
Oh, well... in .vimrc:
autocmd FileType python set tabstop=8
autocmd FileType python set softtabstop=4
autocmd FileType python set expandtab
Shawn Milochik wrote:
I'm not claiming it's bulletproof, but it works. I just kind of came
up with all the
methods off of the top of my head, so if anyone has any suggestions
for more elegant or efficient code, please let me know.
Yes it's in Python alright, but it's not Pythonese yet. You
Ghirai wrote:
I need to keep x number of instances of an external applications
running, say /bin/x, but also kill and restart each one after y seconds.
What would be the best way to do this (with python 2.5.x)?
easy_install supervisor
it should do everything for you
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vibgyorbits wrote:
l=map(lambda x: '%02x' %ord(x),d)
s=string.join(l,sep='')
PS#. Endedup learning little bit of Lambda functions. :-)
That's so 2007...
The 2.5-esque way to write that is
s = ''.join('%02x' % ord(x) for x in d)
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Fab86 wrote:
Is it possible to get the program to catch the exception, wait 10
seconds, then carry of from where it was rather than starting again?
something like this? probably works in PASCAL as well :)
i=0
while i len(stuff):
try:
do_with(stuff[i])
except SomeError:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
You can have one, or the other, but not both, unless you're willing
to have a practicality beats purity trade-off and create a second way of
grouping blocks,
I propose /* and */ as block delimiters.
There, you have auto-documenting code, ahah!
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Lie Ryan wrote:
Python is Turing Complete
Well, actually no, because it doesn't support an infinite amount of memory.
Add this to things to check before wasting a lot of money in hardware.
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Tim Wintle wrote:
Python is Turing Complete
Well, actually no, because it doesn't support an infinite amount of memory.
Surely you can address an infinite amount of storage using infinite
length integers and a wrapper to files on disk - then it's just your
OS's limits that hold it back - so
ZikO wrote:
Do you think python would be good complementary language for C++? Do you
think it's worth learning it
Absolutely, but it tends to become the first language over time.
Don't underestimate its reach. I've re-learned Python 3 or 4 times
already, over 11 years :-/
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John O'Hagan wrote:
Is there a concise Pythonic way to write a method with a timeout?
No need for threading. Just define a signal handler and call signal.alarm().
See the example at the end of the page:
http://docs.python.org/library/signal.html
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plsulliv...@gmail.com wrote:
I have several functions which I would like to store in a different
directory so several programs can use them. I can't seem to find much
information about how to call a function if the function code is not
actually in the script itself.
read the tutorial, look
Lobo wrote:
I now have a new project to develop web applications using the latest/
best possible versions of Python (3.x?) with PostgreSQL (8.x?, with
pgAdmin 1.10?).
You want to use Python 2.5.x (or 2.6 if your framework of choice already
supports it), Postgres 8.3 and have a look at
venutaurus...@gmail.com wrote:
for k in range (1,1001):
...
k = k+1
Man, you have a trouble with loops, all over.
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venutaurus...@gmail.com wrote:
for k in range (1,1001):
...
k = k+1
Man, you have a trouble with loops, all over.
But the situation demands it.:-(
No. I mean, the for loops are wrong.
Compare with the following and see why
import os
base = '/tmp/foo'
for outer in
someone wrote:
Also, for SQL, (A) why are you using nested joins?, and
inner select produce smaller set which is then joined with other
table, kind a optimization
Did you time it?
I've done some kind of a optimization that slowed queries by tenfold,
because postgres didn't need my advice,
pranav wrote:
I am sure there is a python way of solving this problem.
The common sense approach (nothing to do with python) would be to
rewrite everything to be dynamically generated with a template language
- in python those would be TAL, mako, genshi, jinja, whatever ...
anything is
pranav wrote:
I am sure there is a python way of solving this problem.
The common sense approach (nothing to do with python) would be to
rewrite everything to be dynamically generated with a template language
- in python those would be TAL, mako, genshi, jinja, whatever ...
anything is better
Paddy O'Loughlin wrote:
All of the audience will be experienced (4+ years) programmers, almost
all of them are PHP developers (2 others, plus myself, work in C, know
C#, perl, java, etc.).
Show them the same classical design patterns in Java and Python. Explain
how it's much more flexible.
hayes.ty...@gmail.com wrote:
My first thought is to do a sweep, where the first sweep takes one
line from f1, travels f2, if found, deletes it from a tmp version of
f2, and then on to the second line, and so on. If not found, it writes
to a file. At the end, if there are also lines still in f1
Marco Mariani wrote:
while True:
a = filea.readline()
b = fileb.readline()
if not (a or b):
break
BTW, watch out for this break. It might not be what you want :-/
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Dave Angel wrote:
If the lines are really sorted, all you really need is a merge,
D'oh. Right. The posted code works on unsorted files. The sorted case is
even simpler as you pointed out.
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Marco Mariani wrote:
If the lines are really sorted, all you really need is a merge,
For the archives, and for huge files where /usr/bin/diff or difflib are
not appropriate, here it is.
#!/usr/bin/env python
import sys
def run(filea, fileb):
p = 3
while True:
if p1
Piet van Oostrum wrote:
funclist = [func01, func02, func03, ... ]
for i in range(1,n):
funclist[i]()
Or myscript.funclist[i]() from another module.
Ehm, calling a bazillion things in the right order should be a
responsibility of the myscript module anyway.
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Hendrik van Rooyen ha scritto:
But more seriously - is there any need for a simple serialiser that will
be able to be used to transfer a subset of the built in types over an
open network in a safe manner, for the transfer of things like lists of
parameters?
Yes, there seems to be a need for
John Machin wrote:
For that purpose, CSV files are the utter pox and then some. Consider
using xlrd and xlwt (nee pyexcelerator) to read (resp. write) XLS
files directly.
xlwt is unreleased (though quite stable, they say) at the moment, so the
links are:
easy_install xlrd
svn co
massimo s. wrote:
As for people advicing xlrd/xlrwt: thanks for the useful tip, I didn't
know about it and looks cool, but in this case no way I'm throwing
another dependency to the poor users of my software. Csv module was
good because was built-in.
The trouble with sending CSV files to
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, anyone (I mean, anyone pretending to be a
programmer) being ignorant enough to ask such a question ranks high in
my bozo list. Don't waste time with bozos.
Alan Kay said it well enough without using words like pretending,
ignorant and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
10 days is not enough. But I don't have any more clarity in my Python
classes than I did in Java.
You do when you start using classes the python way, and do things that
are not even thinkable in java or any static language.
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Py-Fun wrote:
I'm stuck trying to write a function that generates a factorial of a
number using iteration and not recursion. Any simple ideas would be
appreciated.
As opposed to what, a complicated one?
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Py-Fun wrote:
def itforfact(n):
while n100:
print n
n+1
n = input(Please enter a number below 100)
You function should probably return something. After that, you can see
what happens with the result you get.
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From the cookbook, this time.
It satisfies the requirements nicely ;)
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/496691
def tail_recursion(g):
'''
Version of tail_recursion decorator using no stack-frame
inspection.
'''
loc_vars ={in_loop:False,cnt:0}
Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote:
That certainly looks to be the type of thing that I'm looking to achieve,
however, I forgot to mention I'm running this on a Linux platform and not a
Win32 one :-( Sorry.
Did you try python-gamin?
Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to
Tim Golden wrote:
From the cookbook, this time.
It satisfies the requirements nicely ;)
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/496691
[... snip the ultimate general-purpose answer to the OP's question ...
I really hope that's a wink up there, Marco.
The wink is in
Tim Chase wrote:
fact = lambda i: i 1 and reduce(mul, xrange(1, i+1)) or not
i and 1 or None
Stunts like this would get a person fired around here if they
were found in production code :)
eheh, indeed.
def fact(n):
try:
return eval('*'.join(str(x) for x in range(1,n+1)))
Roberto Bonvallet wrote:
import urllib
import re
urllib.URLopener.version = Mozilla/4.0
def fact(x):
r = re.compile(r%d ! = (\d+) % x)
for line in urllib.urlopen(http://www.google.cl/search?q=%d%%21; % x):
m = r.search(line)
if m:
return
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Needs work.
Uh... ok.. this one gives an exception ;-)
def fact(n):
try:
return eval('*'.join(str(x) for x in range(1,n+1)))
except:
return n=0 or ValueError
print fact(-1)
type 'exceptions.ValueError'
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class fact_0(object):
value = 1
[...
def __new__(self, n_):
class spanish_inquisition(object):
__metaclass__ = fact_meta
n = n_
return spanish_inquisition()
You wrote lots of
Nick Craig-Wood wrote:
Note you can write your middle loop as
for i in range(I):
number = myNumer[:]
random.shuffle(number)
if number == myNumer:
count+=1
Nice. Try 'em all, then count 'em.
Another wtfery would be a SQLAlchemy solution, generating
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
so far it seems to me as if the only ORM module for Python which
supports composite primary/foreign keys was SQLAlchemy. Which looks a
little bit overbloated for my needs: I just need to be able to
define a logical model (à la UML) in Python and have the ORM connect
Ricardo Aráoz ha scritto:
L = ['one', 'two', 'three', 'four', 'five']
print L[0]# This would be 'head'
print L[1:] # This would be 'tail'
Caution : L[0] and L[1:] are COPIES of the head and tail of the list.
This might surprise people who see L[1:] = [], since changing a copy is
Steve Holden wrote:
In fact all that's really happened is that Perl has slid down the ranks,
at least temporarily. Python has been around the 6/7 mark for a while now.
Also.. can someone attempt to explain the funny correlation in
popularity over time between, for instance, Python and
George Sakkis wrote:
This is all very good, but don't drink the design pattern Kool-Aid and
start pushing design patterns everywhere. (Not everything needs to be a
singleton. No, really.)
Obligatory reading: http://www.mortendahl.dk/thoughts/blog/view.aspx?id=122
By the way, it's a fact
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Gosh Lawrence, do tell, which category do YOU fall into?
I suppose a mix-up between a cowbody (or Fonzie) coder and a troll.
His programs have an inner poetry that we're obviously too stupid to
understand.
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Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
The real (and still unsolved) problem with PyPy is the installation
which requires something like a dozen of third-party packages to be
installed.
Unfortunately it seems there are no plans yet for releasing any
Windows/Linux/Mac installer in the near future.
I'm not
Filip Gruszczyński wrote:
I am not doing it, because I need it. I can as well use if not elem
is None,
I suggest if elem is not None, which is not quite the same.
If you slip such an error in a post, I suggest to practice some time
writing correct code before having one-liner contests with
Kirk Strauser wrote:
So what's the difference exactly? foo is not None is actually surprising
to me, since not None is True. 0 is True is False, but 0 is not None
is True. Why is that?
Cause I was tired of course, and got the not precedente not right!! Argh
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psaff...@googlemail.com wrote:
The problem is that IDPointSet and MicroArrayPointSet will need to
inherit from PointSet or TraceablePointSet based on whether I'm
handling traceable points or not. Can I select a superclass
conditionally like this in Python? Am I trying to do something really
Marco Mariani wrote:
I think you should investigate something different than subclassing,
like a Strategy domain pattern or something similar.
s/domain/design/
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walterbyrd wrote:
I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
In 20 days, you've gone from trying to import a module by using:
load test.py
to questioning the popularity of python.
You have
Richard Riley wrote:
One does not have to by a language maestro to try and assess its
popularity. While his numbers or his reading of the numbers might be
open to some questions, to suggest that one needs to be totally familiar
with a language to determine its popularity is, frankly,
gu wrote:
I see, but how does django-admin work, then?
from bash:
complete -W doSomething doSomethingElse doSomethingDifferent myProgram
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Steve Holden wrote:
3. I can't be certain my experience with PostgreSQL extends to MySQl,
but I have done experiments which prove to my satisfaction that it isn't
possible to parameterize LIKE arguments. So the only way to do it
appears to be to build the query yourself.
Or using Postgres
The Music Guy wrote:
Just out of curiousity, have there been any attempts to make a version
of Python that looks like actual English text?
Many have tried that in the decades, but IMHO the best approach is to
just rename the language. We cannot do that since it's already been
trademarked
Hussein B wrote:
I'm creating a report that is supposed to harvest the data for the
previous month.
So I need a way to get the first day and the last day of the previous
month.
Would you please tell me how to do this?
Thanks in advance.
dateutil can do this and much, much more.
from
Carsten Haese wrote:
In order to not deprive you of the sense of accomplishment
Sorry for spoiling that. If you still want the sense of accomplishment,
try to reimplement dateutil (and rrule). It's not as easy as it seems :-o
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Carsten Haese wrote:
dateutil can do this and much, much more.
Using dateutil for this is like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly. The
task at hand can (and IMHO should) be solved with the standard datetime
module.
Sure, but many python programmers are not even aware of the existence of
Mudcat wrote:
This is something I've wondered about for a while. I know that
theoretically Python is supposed to auto-recognize duplicate imports;
however I've run into problems in the past if I didn't arrange the
imports in a certain way across multiple files.
I think you've probably had
Phillip B Oldham wrote:
Can you recommend an ORM (or similar) package to look into?
SQLAlchemy with reflected tables. You can use straight SQL, generate it
dynamically via python expressions, go with the ORM, or everything
together (in a bucket :)
It really pays due respect to the RDBMS,
Thorsten Kampe wrote:
This scenario is highly supposing and doesn't look like a real-world-
case to me. But anyway: the obvious solution in my humble opinion would
be to do something like public_attribute = _private_attribute. But
that would be too simple, too unjavaesque, right?!
Yes, the
Russ P. wrote:
highlighting. Not that it really helps much, but it spices up the
code and stimulates the eyes and brain. When I see the same code
without color highlighting, it just seems bland, like something is
missing. It seems like just text rather than code.
Plus, it can be configured to
Pat wrote:
Why didn't you answer the len() question?
It's a bit of a FAQ: len() cannot be a method of list objects because it
works on any sequence or iterable.
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azrael wrote:
I know that there is already a standard python library, But
why not extending it. classify the standard library into subcategories
like Networking, DataBase, Computation, ..
If the standard library where that huge, python 3.0 would have been late
by a couple of years.
News123 wrote:
I would just like to retrieve all the field names and default values of
a form. (Some forms are huge) and wondered thus whether there's already
a python module parsing a html documents for forms , form fields and
field vaules, returning an objcet. that could be modified and
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