.
I don't know what the options are for auto-restarting the kinds of web
servers you'd use in production, I'm sure there are some. Someone here
mentioned the Django web server, but that isn't intended for production use.
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with the fundamentals, you can read or watch this PyCon
presentation: Pragmatic Unicode, or, How Do I Stop the Pain?
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with the
differences.
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2013-12-27 12:07:381388164058.73
2013-12-27 12:07:381388164058.92
Thanks!
Instead of:
%s % time.time()
try:
%.6f % time.time()
%.6f is a formatting code meaning, floating-point number, 6 decimal places.
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!
Repeatedly people have asked you to show your exact code. Still nothing.
Is something wrong with the connectivity of this list? Matt posted his
code about six hours before your message.
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with simple function calls. Those tests will be easy to measure
with coverage.py, and by the way, they'll run much faster and be easier
to debug.
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()
1388407716.377
print %.4f % time.time()
1388407726.1001
BTW, I said something very similar in this thread 2.5 days ago:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-December/663454.html
I get the feeling not all messages are flowing to all places.
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On 12/30/13 7:50 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
BTW, I said something very similar in this thread 2.5 days ago:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-December/663454.html
I get the feeling not all messages are flowing to all places.
Oops, and now Matt's reply to that message has just
/test_foo.py, line 8, in test_fail
assert 0
AssertionError
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FAILED (failures=1)
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at installing a Python 2
package. Then you won't find out until you try to run the package that
it is incompatible. A mechanism to prevent this seems like a good idea,
but since it wasn't in place at the dawn of Python 3, it would be
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posts except that my mind's already in a rather broken state,
as a combination of programming and Alice in Wonderland.
ChrisA
I really wish we could discuss these things without baiting trolls.
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devs why they should change
things to improve this situation.
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the possibility that you are wrong. I know I would
be glad to learn details of Unicode that I have missed, but so far you
haven't provided any.
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I will not refrain you to waste your time
in adjusting bytes, if the problem is not
on that side.
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of the elements of the list, not the indexes of the elements.
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= m
m3 = m[:]
takethenameof(m)
takethenameof(m2)
takethenameof(m3)
takethenameof(m[:])
takethenameof(2)
takethenameof(2+2)
There are samples online that try to do a reasonable job of this, but
my googling isn't turning them up...
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On 1/5/14 8:22 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/5/14 8:14 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/1/5/unicode-in-2-and-3/
Please don't shoot the messenger :)
With all of the talk about py 2 vs. py3 these days, this is the blog
post that I think deserves the most real attention
On 1/5/14 8:48 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
So now we have two revered developers vocally having trouble with Python 3.
You can dismiss their concerns as niche because it's only network
programming, but that would
On 1/5/14 11:26 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 1/5/2014 8:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
OK, let's see what we got from three core developers on this list:
To me, the following is a partly unfair summary.
I apologize, I'm sure there were details I skipped in my short summary.
- Antoine
at because of your own
arrogance. Foo(l)s.
markj
If you want to participate in this discussion, do so. Calling people
strange, arrogant, and fools with no technical content is just rude.
Typing YOU WOULD BE WRONG in all caps doesn't count as technical content.
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On 1/6/14 12:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Ned Batchelder wrote:
You are still talking about whether Armin is right, and whether he
writes well, about flaws in his statistics, etc. I'm talking about the
fact that an organization (Python core development) has a product
(Python 3
On 1/6/14 11:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Ned Batchelder ned at nedbatchelder.com writes:
You can look through his problems and decide that he's wrong, or that
he's ranting, but that doesn't change the fact that Python 3 is
encountering friction. What happens when a significant fraction
to tell you why approach.
Please stop baiting people.
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On 1/6/14 5:08 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 21:42, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 4:33 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 21:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 06 January 2014 16:16:13 Terry Reedy did opine:
On 1/6/2014 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
And from my lurking here
On 1/6/14 5:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Ned Batchelder ned at nedbatchelder.com writes:
I never said they were the whole community, of course. But they are not
outliers either. By your own statistics above, 23% of respondents think
Python 3 was a mistake. Armin and Kenneth are just two very
On 1/6/14 5:30 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 22:22, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 5:08 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 21:42, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 4:33 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
That strikes me as being as useful as The PEP 393 FSR is completely
wrong but I'm
On 1/6/14 11:01 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:32:01 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 12:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Ned Batchelder wrote:
You are still talking about whether Armin is right, and whether he
writes well, about flaws in his statistics, etc. I'm
(unicodedata.normalize('NFKD', 'zzz')), import unicodedata)
0.3803570633857589
timeit.timeit(len(unicodedata.normalize('NFKD', 'ǟ')), import unicodedata)
0.9359970320201683
pdf, typography, linguistic, scripts, ... in mind, in other word the real
*unicode* world.
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. I'm sure that I'll get used to it eventually.
On Python-Dev, Dan Stromberg posted this link with the results:
http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/python-2.x-vs-3.x-survey/
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, and
it isn't the current directory. Therefore, your package can't be found
and imported.
BTW: writting getters like getName and getNumber is unusual in Python.
The much more common technique is to simply use the attribute: f.name
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On 1/10/14 2:43 PM, John Ladasky wrote:
On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-8, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On Python-Dev, Dan Stromberg posted this link with the results:
http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/python-2.x-vs-3.x-survey/
That link gave me a 404. :^(
Sorry, it worked
]
L2 = L
L[:] = []
print L2
[]
L = [1, 2, 3, 4]
L2 = L
L = []
print L2
[1, 2, 3, 4]
Names and values in Python can be confusing. Here's an explanation of
the mechanics: http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html
HTH,
--Ned.
Thanks!
Regards,
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is called. After the first import, the cost is about the
same as a dict lookup (very fast).
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to put some English around it. You
know what is in your head, but we do not.
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directly:
items = [alpha, beta, gamma, delta]
print {0[1]} {0[3]} {0[0]}.format(items)
beta delta alpha
It's clunkier in this example, but if you have more than one value being
formatted, this (and the {0.foo} syntax) can make digging into nested
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happen to work that way level.
Also, I've never done it, but I understand that deriving from
collections.MutableMapping avoids this problem.
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between them. But let's
not muddy these already confusing waters by referring to that mapping as
an encoding.
In Unicode terms, an encoding is a mapping between codepoints and bytes.
Python 3's str is a sequence of codepoints.
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to the value.
The rationale behind these question is to avoid object creation within
application() whose content is same and do not change between requests calling
application() function and thus to reduce script response time.
Thanks in advance!
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for disassembling it.
How to protect your code depends an awful lot on what kinds of secrets
are in the code, and how valuable those secrets are, and therefore how
hard someone will work to get at them.
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The standard library has the compileall module that can be used to
create .pyc files from .py files, but as we've been discussing in
another thread, you may not want .pyc files.
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multiprocessing mess i ended up
using sqlite access to DB in exclusive transaction mode.
But this was not pythonic :-)
Asaf
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made the design for whole code. Just stuck at this part
You should collect all your thoughts and write one message, not six in
30 minutes. That's just pestering.
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This is covered in more detail here:
http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html
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, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
return l
def main():
for i in test():
print(i)
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someone, convince me. Write to me
offline: n...@nedbatchelder.com
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know why :(
Anyone ?
Thanks!!
Assignment statements in functions implicitly make local names. If you
want to assign a new value to a global name in a function, you have to
use a global statement:
def update():
global GLOBAL
GLOBAL += 1
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variable or for.
Why can't we call __init__ the constructor and __new__ the allocator?
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On 1/31/14 3:57 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 01/31/2014 12:48 PM, MRAB wrote:
On 2014-01-31 19:52, Ned Batchelder wrote:
Why can't we call __init__ the constructor and __new__ the allocator?
The advantage of calling it the initialiser is that it explains why
it's called __init__.
Hm, yes
On 1/31/14 6:05 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com writes:
On 1/31/14 2:33 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
From http://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.__init__
[…]
Should the wording of the above be changed to clearly reflect that
we have an initialiser
. I meant (as many have understood) that most
user-defined classes define __init__, and that very very few define __new__.
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On 1/31/14 10:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:52:15 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
Why can't we call __init__ the constructor and __new__ the allocator?
__new__ constructs the object, and __init__ initialises it. What's wrong
with calling them the constructor
, it is not
particular to the Python docs.
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manuals, this
kind of response is completely unacceptable. Please don't do it again.
Please read this: http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct
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my (jmf) software.
(*) Luckily, that's already the case for the users using
serious tools.
We've been over this too many times already, and we won't be discussing
it with you again.
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-32')) for c in ['aa EURO aa EURO']*3])
135
jmf
JMF, we've told you I-don't-know-how-many-times to stop this.
Seriously: think hard about what your purpose is in sending these absurd
benchmarks. I guarantee you are not accomplishing it.
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to prevent attribute creation? If someone uses your
class and wants to use it in ways you didn't anticipate, why should you
try to stop them?
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On 2/8/14 1:29 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 2/8/14 1:06 PM, Eric Jacoboni wrote:
Hi,
Say i want create a class with a __slots__ tuple in order to prevent
creation of new attributes from outside the class.
Say i want to serialize instances of this class... With pickle, all is
ok : i can dump
-list
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this
classic trolling. I don't think he was, I think he was referring to JMF.
In any case, perhaps it would be best to just take a break?
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is made up, and
he will not be swayed, no matter how persuasive and reasonable your
arguments. Just ignore him.
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find it easier to use the six module from PyPI to
handle these sorts of differences. It's easier than doing it ad-hoc
with your own logic.
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. There
will always be mistakes programmers can make.
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)
map(myfunc, range(10))
x = property(x_get, x_set)
would still work?
I guess neither would:
except ValueError:
:(
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On 2/12/14 5:55 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
The fascinating aspect of this FSR lies
in its mathematical absurdity.
jmf
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the same instance over and over.
It makes them impossible to test: your unit tests all act on the same
object, there's no way to start over with a fresh object.
If you only want one object, create just one, and use it everywhere.
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, and will hold
onto that object for the next time it's needed.
But that's different than a class which pretends to make instances but
actually always returns the same instance.
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from the trouble!)
Last but not least... s[::len(s)-1] omg!!? ;-D
If you aren't worried about performance, why are you choosing your code
based on which is the fastest? There are other characteristics
(clarity, flexibility, robustness, ...) that could be more useful.
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in Python refer to values. Thinking in terms of memory locations
might just confuse things.
This is my best explanation of the details:
http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html
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like an int.
This covers all the details, including pictures like Marko's, but with
an explanation why we draw the ints inside the boxes:
http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html
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of it like
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as:
(a + b) + c
but:
a b c
is not the same as:
(a b) c
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'),
(0+20, 'orange'),
(0+20+50, 'grape'),
]
Each number is the cumulative probability up to but not including the item.
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have actually
debugged problems where that was the root cause.
If you use x is not None, nothing about x's class can interfere with
the correct operation.
Something like a C compiler manual advising:
You can write x*8 but its better to drop out into asm and write
shl $3, %eax
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about their earlier language X, but which they mistakenly believe to be
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all
those optimizations. I tried filing a bug about it
(http://bugs.python.org/issue2506), but it did not win the popular
support I had hoped for.
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a big deal, but I am just curious as to why it does this.
You have to invoke s.upper, with parens:
k = [s.upper() for s in k]
In Python, a function or method is a first-class object, so s.upper is
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know what to do if the file
you're looking for isn't in that directory.
Perhaps the shorter answer is, look in the Python executable directory,
then look in the directories on PATH.
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', 'easy_install-2.7', 'pip', 'pip-2.7', 'python',
'python2', 'python2.7']
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On 2/20/14 10:55 AM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On 20 February 2014 15:42, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
As roundabout and advanced as that code is, it doesn't give the right answer
for me. It returns None. On my Mac, after activating a virtualenv:
Python 2.7.2 (default, Oct
, they work exactly the same as Javascript or Ruby
variables.
Python's variables are names bound to values.
http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html has lots more details.
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On 2/21/14 9:47 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:59:17 -0800, Travis Griggs travisgri...@gmail.com
declaimed the following:
On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
Man, do I hate this idea that Python has no variables. It has variables
On 2/21/14 10:28 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:13:25 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 2/21/14 2:23 AM, dieter wrote:
Samlightai...@gmail.com writes:
I need to pass a global variable into a python function.
Python does not really have the concept variable.
What appears
, that Python *does* have the concept
of a variable, it just behaves differently than some other popular
programming languages (but exactly the same as some other popular
programming languages!)
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that cannot be expressed
as a switch statement (because it uses ), and then conclude that
Python needs a switch statement? That doesn't make any sense.
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On 2/28/14 8:08 PM, Mark H. Harris wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:40:06 PM UTC-6, Ned Batchelder wrote:
I don't understand: you show an if/elif chain that cannot be expressed
as a switch statement (because it uses ), and then conclude that
Python needs a switch statement
extreme, and
bring their own infelicities, and the actual problems caused by this
scenario are vanishingly small.
BTW: I also am mystified why you uses ellipses to end your sentences,
surely one period would be enough? :)
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there's
some engineer at Apple who meant for the code to read like this:
if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(hashCtx, signedParams)) != 0) {
goto fail;
goto fail;
}
This looks to me like a poorly handled merge conflict maybe? I wonder
if we'll ever get the details.
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Haskell.
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backend is Python.
Skip
It's Hy: http://hylang.org
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about the FSR,
and absurdly seems to think hinting at paper and pencil will convince us
he is right. Don't engage with him on this topic.
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is on github, and they are taking and resolving
issues there: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues
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On 3/8/14 8:31 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 3/8/14 7:44 AM, Nils-Hero Lindemann wrote:
Hi,
(Please forgive (or correct) my mistakes, i am non native)
http://www.python.org/community/sigs/retired/parser-sig/towards-standard/
* Formatting bug
* Needs breadcrumb navigation (Where am i?)
(i
of Python. It uses a JIT to produce
native code automatically, and can impressively speed up the execution
of Python programs. You should give it a try to see if it will help in
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specified in PEP 393:
http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0393/
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to do with your
style. It can be brief and contrarian, which puts people off. Perhaps
if you tried to understand the gap and bridge it more, people would be
less inclined to think that you were trying to widen the gap.
--Ned.
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.
The last sentence seems telling to me: if you don't care if objects are
equal, then don't use ==.
Of course, a long change of if's to figure out which object you have
seems odd to me...
--Ned.
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of bytecode
(and therefore .pyc files) across versions of Python, so if you want to
run from pure .pyc files, you have to be sure to use the same version of
Python that produced the files.
--Ned.
Marko
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-Linux, python is python3...
Yes, and they have been told many times that this was foolish and wrong,
but it persists, much to our pain.
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project, you decide between Python 2 and Python 3 and go all
in.
Plenty of people have adopted a dual-support strategy, with one code
base that supports both Python 2 and Python 3. The six module can help
a great deal with this.
Marko
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On 3/20/14 4:42 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com:
Plenty of people have adopted a dual-support strategy, with one code
base that supports both Python 2 and Python 3. The six module can help
a great deal with this.
I wonder how easy the resulting code
On 3/20/14 4:59 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com:
It's an extreme case, but the latest released version of coverage.py
supports Python 2.3 through 3.3 with one code base. To do it, there's
a compatibility layer (akin to six). Then you stay away from features
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