Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 at 12:55, Bongo Ferno via Python-list wrote: > > Where I can ask python developers for a new feature? > > This feature would allow us to create short aliases for long object paths, > similar to the with statement. This would make code more readable and

FlaskCon 2023 CFP

2023-10-17 Thread David Carmichael via Python-list
Hello All! I'd like to inform you that FlaskCon 2023 is currently calling for proposals, and you are invited to submit. *Submission Details:* Deadline: 31st Oct Submit Your Proposal: https://flaskcon.com/ Any submissions would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, *David Carmichael* -- http

Simple webserver

2023-10-18 Thread Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
I am pondering about writing a client/server software with websockets as communication protocol. The clients will run in browser as Javascript programs and the server may be in any (any sensible) programming language running standalone to be connected remotely by the browser-based JS clients. I fo

Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-18 Thread Matthew Carruth via Python-list
We have the `Optional[T]` type as a short-hand for Union[T | None] and telling us that said argument may not be present. However, I find that a majority of the time, we also want to set a default value of None on the argument so that it can be evaluated without doing a getattr() check first. i

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-18 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 10:07, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list wrote: > > I am pondering about writing a client/server software with > websockets as communication protocol. The clients will run > in browser as Javascript programs and the server may be in > any (any sensible) progr

Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-18 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 10:11, Matthew Carruth via Python-list wrote: > > We have the `Optional[T]` type as a short-hand for Union[T | None] and > telling us that said argument may not be present. > > However, I find that a majority of the time, we also want to set a default >

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-18 Thread Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
On 19.10.2023 01:23, Chris Angelico wrote: > [snip] > > Hope that's enough to get you started! I'd be delighted to help > further if you run into difficulties. Thanks for your quick reply, Chris! This is already great information! I'll dive into your resources soon, and I also appreciate your off

Aw: Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-19 Thread Karsten Hilbert via Python-list
> > or something like that. Basically, any way to avoid writing `= None` over > > and over again. > > Fundamentally no, at least not without some shenanigans. Type hints do > not affect the regular running of the code, Except when they do ;-) ... depending on what counts as (valid) code ... In

Re: Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-19 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 18:04, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > > > or something like that. Basically, any way to avoid writing `= None` over > > > and over again. > > > > Fundamentally no, at least not without some shenanigans. Type hints do > > not affect the regular running of the code, > > Except wh

Aw: Re: Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-19 Thread Karsten Hilbert via Python-list
> > > Fundamentally no, at least not without some shenanigans. Type hints do > > > not affect the regular running of the code, > > > > Except when they do ;-) > > > > ... depending on what counts as (valid) code ... > > > > In Python a distinction can be made between "runnable" and "valid" :-D > >

Re: Re: Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-19 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 18:25, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > > > > Fundamentally no, at least not without some shenanigans. Type hints do > > > > not affect the regular running of the code, > > > > > > Except when they do ;-) > > > > > > ... depending on what counts as (valid) code ... > > > > > > In

Aw: Re: Re: Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-19 Thread Karsten Hilbert via Python-list
> > As per my recent foray into abusing existence-checking for Singleton > > assurance > > along such lines as > > > > >>> try: self.initialized > > >>> except AttributeError: print('first instantiation'); self.initialized = > > >>> True > > > > and then changing that to > > > > >>> try: self.ini

Re: Re: Re: Re: Any possible type alias that can also set a default value for a function arg?

2023-10-19 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 19:34, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > > > As per my recent foray into abusing existence-checking for Singleton > > > assurance > > > along such lines as > > > > > > >>> try: self.initialized > > > >>> except AttributeError: print('first instantiation'); self.initialized > > >

Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-19 Thread Bongo Ferno via Python-list
> You can actually just do that with simple assignment! > > short_view = my_object.stuff.long_stuff.sub_object > print(short_view.some_method()) but then have to delete the variable manually del short_view -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-19 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
n-list On Behalf Of Bongo Ferno via Python-list Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 9:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Where I do ask for a new feature > You can actually just do that with simple assignment! > > short_view = my_object.stuff.long_stuff.sub_object > print

Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-19 Thread Bongo Ferno via Python-list
On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:26:52 PM UTC-3, [email protected] wrote: > There are many ways to make transient variables that disappear at some time > and do we need yet another? Yes, you can create one of those ways but what > is the big deal with deleting a variable when no longer used?

Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-19 Thread Cameron Simpson via Python-list
On 19Oct2023 20:16, Bongo Ferno wrote: A with statement makes clear that the alias is an alias and is local, and it automatically clears the variable after the block code is used. No it doesn't: >>> with open('/dev/null') as f: ... print(f) ... <_io.TextIOWrapper name='/dev/

Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-20 Thread Roel Schroeven via Python-list
Op 20/10/2023 om 5:16 schreef Bongo Ferno via Python-list: On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:26:52 PM UTC-3, [email protected] wrote: > There are many ways to make transient variables that disappear at some time > and do we need yet another? Yes, you can create one of those ways bu

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-20 Thread Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
On 19.10.2023 01:23, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Broadly speaking, your ideas are great. Any programming language CAN > be used for the server (and I've used several, not just Python). Out of curiosity; what where these languages? - If there's one I already know I might save some time implementing

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-20 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 22:31, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list wrote: > > On 19.10.2023 01:23, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > Broadly speaking, your ideas are great. Any programming language CAN > > be used for the server (and I've used several, not just Python). >

Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-20 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/19/2023 11:16 PM, Bongo Ferno via Python-list wrote: On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:26:52 PM UTC-3, [email protected] wrote: There are many ways to make transient variables that disappear at some time and do we need yet another? Yes, you can create one of those ways but what is the

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-20 Thread De ongekruisigde via Python-list
On 2023-10-20, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 22:31, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list > wrote: >> >> On 19.10.2023 01:23, Chris Angelico wrote: >> > >> > Broadly speaking, your ideas are great. Any programming language CAN >> > be us

RE: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-20 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
f Roel Schroeven via Python-list Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Where I do ask for a new feature Op 20/10/2023 om 5:16 schreef Bongo Ferno via Python-list: > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:26:52 PM UTC-3, [email protected] wrote: > >

Re: Where I do ask for a new feature

2023-10-20 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 10/19/23 19:32, Bongo Ferno via Python-list wrote: > >> You can actually just do that with simple assignment! >> >> short_view = my_object.stuff.long_stuff.sub_object >> print(short_view.some_method()) > > but then have to delete the variable manually >

Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Larry Martell via Python-list
I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run that file, but that seems messy. Is there a better way? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Johannes Findeisen via Python-list
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400 Larry Martell via Python-list wrote: > I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in > a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write > a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run th

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Roel Schroeven via Python-list
Larry Martell via Python-list schreef op 21/10/2023 om 15:01: I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run that file, but that seems messy

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Larry Martell via Python-list
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400 > Larry Martell via Python-list wrote: > > > I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in > > a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do t

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Johannes Findeisen via Python-list
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:32:03 -0400 Larry Martell wrote: > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen > wrote: > > > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400 > > Larry Martell via Python-list wrote: > > > > > I have a python script, and from that

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Larry Martell via Python-list
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:10 PM Johannes Findeisen wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:32:03 -0400 > Larry Martell wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400 > > > La

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/21/2023 11:32 AM, Larry Martell via Python-list wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400 Larry Martell via Python-list wrote: I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in a subprocess in a venv. What

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-21 Thread Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
On 20.10.2023 23:05, Paul Rubin wrote: > Janis Papanagnou writes: >> I found a Python sample[*] but I am neither familiar with >> Python nor with the 'simple_websocket_server' package that >> is used in that sample code. But the code looks so simple >> that I'm considering to learn and use Python

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-21 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 at 04:13, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list wrote: > I have a couple decades experience with about a dozen programming > languages (not counting assemblers). Asynchronous processing, IPC, > multi-processing, client/server architectures, multi-threading, > semaphor

Re: Running a subprocess in a venv

2023-10-21 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 10/21/23 07:01, Larry Martell via Python-list wrote: I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run that file, but that seems messy. Is

Cheetah 3.3.3

2023-10-22 Thread Oleg Broytman via Python-list
Hello! I'm pleased to announce version 3.3.3, the fourth release of branch 3.3 of CheetahTemplate3. What's new in CheetahTemplate3 == Minor features: - Protect ``import cgi`` in preparation to Python 3.13. Tests: - Run tests with Python 3.12. CI: - GHActio

return type same as class gives NameError.

2023-10-22 Thread Antoon Pardon via Python-list
I have the following small module: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 8< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= from typing import NamedTuple, TypeAlias, Union from collections.abc import Sequence PNT: TypeAlias = tuple[float, float] class Pnt (NamedTuple): x: float y: float def __add__(self, other: PNT)

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-22 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
Janis Papanagnou wrote at 2023-10-21 04:03 +0200: > ... >I'd like to ask; where do you see the specific risks with Python >(as language per se) and it's (web-socket-)libraries here? The web server in Python's runtime library is fairly simple, focusing only on the HTTP requirements. You might want

Re: return type same as class gives NameError.

2023-10-22 Thread Cameron Simpson via Python-list
On 22Oct2023 17:50, Antoon Pardon wrote: I have the following small module: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 8< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= class Pnt (NamedTuple): x: float y: float def __add__(self, other: PNT) -> Pnt: return Pnt(self[0] + other[0], self[1] + other[1]) When this functio

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Dom Grigonis via Python-list
hy (at least from my perspective) working in unix environment is so much more pleasant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy> Regards, DG > On 24 Oct 2023, at 15:22, o1bigtenor via Python-list > wrote: > > Greetings &g

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is > supposed to do even before all the hardware has been assembled and > installed and tested? It depends on what you mean by "verify ...". If you want to prov

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Dan Purgert via Python-list
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > > (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for > a complex question.) > [...] > Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is > supposed to do even > before all the hardware has been assembled and installed

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-10-24, Dan Purgert via Python-list wrote: > On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor wrote: >> Greetings >> >> (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for >> a complex question.) >> [...] >> Is there a way to verify that a program is g

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/24/2023 8:22 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: Greetings (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for a complex question.) I have been using computers for a long time but am only beginning my foray into the galaxy of programming. Have done little to this

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-10-24, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote: > Something less ambitious than a full proof of correctness of an > arbitrary program can sometimes be achieved. The programming team > for the Apollo moon mission developed a system which, if you would > write your requirements

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > So how does one test software then? That's what customers are for! [Actually, that's true more often than it should be.] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Alan Gauld via Python-list
On 24/10/2023 22:51, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: >>> Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is >>> supposed to do even before all the hardware has been assembled and >>> installed and tested? > And the specified customer requiremen

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Alan Gauld via Python-list
On 25/10/2023 00:08, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > So how does one test software then? Testing is very different to proving! As an industry we do a lot of testing at many different levels. On bigger projects you'll find: - Unit tests - testing small fragments of a bigger

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/24/2023 7:15 PM, o1bigtenor wrote: On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 6:09 PM Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote: snip By now you have read many responses that basically say that you cannot prove that a given program has no errors, even apart from the hardware question. Even if it could be

RE: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
hird party who might be able to help you with the open-source software. Unless your project accepts the realities, why start? -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of o1bigtenor via Python-list Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 7:15 PM To: Thomas Passin Cc: [email protected]

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 12:11, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote: > This doesn't mean that no program can ever be proven to halt, nor that > no program can never be proven correct by formal means. Will your > program be one of those? The answer may never come ... Indeed,

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 12:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > Consider an example of bit rot. I mean what if your CPU or hard disk has a > location where you can write a byte and read it back multiple times and > sometimes get the wrong result. To be really cautions, you might

Re: How to sort this without 'cmp=' in python 3?

2023-10-24 Thread Mike H via Python-list
On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 12:27:42 AM UTC-7, Peter Otten wrote: > [email protected] wrote: > > > nums=['3','30','34','32','9','5'] > > I need to sort the list in order to get the largest number string: > > '953433230' > > > > nums.sort(cmp=lambda a,b: cmp(a+b, b+a), reverse=True) > >

Re: How to sort this without 'cmp=' in python 3?

2023-10-24 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 13:02, Mike H via Python-list wrote: > Is it possible to use lambda expression instead of defining a `Key` class? > Something like `sorted(my_list, key = lambda x, y: x+y > y+x)`? Look up functools.cmp_to_key. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listin

RE: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
your source code in the original language, that can open up ways others might find ways to break it, more so than a compiled program that you only can read in a more opaque way. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Chris Angelico via Python-list Sent: Tuesday, October 24

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-24 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/24/2023 7:37 PM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: On 2023-10-24, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote: Something less ambitious than a full proof of correctness of an arbitrary program can sometimes be achieved. The programming team for the Apollo moon mission developed a system

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-25 Thread Frank Millman via Python-list
On 2023-10-22 7:35 PM, Dieter Maurer via Python-list wrote: The web server in Python's runtime library is fairly simple, focusing only on the HTTP requirements. You might want additional things for an HTTP server exposed on the internet which should potentially handle high trafic

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-25 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 19:00, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote: > 2. Instead of running as a stand-alone server, run my app as a > reverse-proxy using Nginx. I tested this a few years ago using Apache, > and it 'just worked', so I am fairly sure that it will work with Ngi

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 21:46, o1bigtenor wrote: > > 2. Catch the failure as you save. We have a lot of tools that can help > > you to spot bugs. > > Tools like this for python please. Various ones. Type checkers like MyPy fall into this category if you set your system up to run them when you save

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 21:53, o1bigtenor wrote: > > Hmm - - - - now how can I combine 'Hamming codes' > and a raid array? > > TIA Normally you wouldn't. But let's say you're worried that a file might get randomly damaged. (I don't think single-bit errors are really a significant issue wit

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-24 07:22 -0500: > ... >Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is >supposed to do even >before all the hardware has been assembled and installed and tested? Others have already noted that "verify" is a very strong aim. There are different kinds o

Re: Simple webserver

2023-10-25 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
Frank Millman wrote at 2023-10-25 09:57 +0200: > ... >Based on this, I am considering the following - > >1. Replace my HTTP handler with Uvicorn. Functionality should be the >same, but performance should be improved. > >2. Instead of running as a stand-alone server, run my app as a >reverse-proxy u

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 22:46, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > > > > o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-24 07:22 -0500: > > > ... > > >Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is >

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500: >On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > ... >> There are different kinds of errors. >> >> Some can be avoided by using an integrated development environment >> (e.g. misspellings, type mismatches, ...). > >Haven't heard of a python IDE -

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 07:50 -0500: >> There are several others, >> e.g. "ECLIPSE" can be used for Python development. > >Is 'Eclipse' a Windows oriented IDE? No. ==> "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software)" -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-10-25, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > Haven't heard of a python IDE - - - doesn't mean that there isn't such - - > just that I haven't heard of such. Is there a python IDE? Seriously? Now you're just trolling. google.com/search?q=python+ide&am

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/25/2023 9:21 AM, Thomas Passin wrote: On 10/25/2023 8:50 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer wrote: ... There are different kinds of

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 08:29 -0500: > ... >It would appear that something has changed. > >Went to the Eclipse download page, downloaded and verified (using sha-512). >Expanded software to # opt . >There is absolutely NO mention of anything python - - - java, c and >its permutations, >'scien

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Dan Purgert via Python-list
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:28 PM Rob Cliffe wrote: >> >> There is no general way to prove that a program is "correct". Or even >> whether it will terminate or loop endlessly. >> [...] >> When you come to run your program "for real", and you have to >> troubleshoo

Re: Too Broad of an exception

2023-10-25 Thread Rene Kita via Python-list
rsutton wrote: > Hi all, > I am fairly new to python (ie < 2 years). I have a question about > pylint. I am running on windows 10/11, python 3.10.11. [...] > if p.returncode >= 8: > raise Exception(f'Invalid result: {p.returncode}') > > It actually runs fine. But pylint is

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 10/25/23 05:51, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > Looks like I have another area to investigate. (grin!) > Any suggestions? Seems to me you're trying to run before you have learned to walk. Slow down, go to the beginning and just learn python, write some code, see if it runs.

RE: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
org Subject: Re: Question(s) On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:36 PM AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > > Agreed, Chris. There are many methods way better than the sort of RAID > architecture I supplied as AN EXAMPLE easy to understand. But even so, if a > hard disk or memory chip is fried or a nuclear

SQLObject 3.10.3

2023-10-25 Thread Oleg Broytman via Python-list
Hello! I'm pleased to announce version 3.10.3, the 3rd bugfix release of branch 3.10 of SQLObject. What's new in SQLObject === The contributors for this release are Igor Yudytskiy and shuffle (github.com/shuffleyxf). Thanks! Bug fixes - * Relaxed aliasing in ``SQLR

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Alan Gauld via Python-list
On 25/10/2023 12:44, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > Haven't heard of a python IDE - - - doesn't mean that there isn't such - - There are literally dozens with varying degrees of smartness. The big 4 all have Python plugins/environments: Eclipse, Netbeans, VisualStudio

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/25/2023 8:50 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer wrote: ... There are different kinds of errors. Some can be avoided by using an

Re: Too Broad of an exception

2023-10-25 Thread Kushal Kumaran via Python-list
On Wed, Oct 25 2023 at 11:49:12 AM, rsutton wrote: > On 10/25/2023 11:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: >> [email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes: >>> outer quotation marks) prints some prominent exception types. After >>> manually removing those that do not seem to apply, I am left with: >>> "Asserti

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/25/2023 9:20 AM, Michael F. Stemper via Python-list wrote: On 24/10/2023 17.50, Thomas Passin wrote:    The programming team for the Apollo moon mission developed a system which,> if you would write your requirements in a certain way, could generate correct C code for them. Since

Re: Too Broad of an exception

2023-10-25 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/25/2023 11:49 AM, rsutton via Python-list wrote: On 10/25/2023 11:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: [email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes: outer quotation marks) prints some prominent exception types. After manually removing those that do not seem to apply, I am left with: "Assertion

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Dan Purgert via Python-list
On 2023-10-25, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: >> [...] >> There are several others, >> e.g. "ECLIPSE" can be used for Python development. > > Is 'Eclipse' a Windows oriented IDE? > (Having a hard time finding linux related information on the > website.)

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread Jim Schwartz via Python-list
, 2023, at 7:55 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00AM Dieter Maurer wrote: o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer wrote: ... There are different kinds of

RE: Question(s)

2023-10-25 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
ed and new features ofteh added and just fixing one bug can break other parts so you would need to verify things over and over and then freeze. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Michael F. Stemper via Python-list Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 9:34 AM To: python-list@

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/26/2023 7:50 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:10 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 08:29 -0500: ... It would appear that something has changed. Went to the Eclipse download page, downloaded and verified (using sha-512). Expanded

Re: Too Broad of an exception

2023-10-26 Thread Rene Kita via Python-list
Rene Kita wrote: > rsutton wrote: >> Hi all, >> I am fairly new to python (ie < 2 years). I have a question about >> pylint. I am running on windows 10/11, python 3.10.11. > [...] >> if p.returncode >= 8: >> raise Exception(f'Invalid result: {p.returncode}') >> >> It actua

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 10/26/23 06:34, o1bigtenor wrote: > Interesting - - - - ". . . see if it runs." - - - that's the issue! > When the code is accessing sensors there isn't an easy way to > check that the code is working until one has done the all of the > physical construction. If I'm trying to control a pulsatio

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 10/26/23 10:41, Michael Torrie wrote: > By the way you definitely can step > through MicroPython code one line at a time with a remote debugger, say > with Visual Studio Code. I meant to edit that bit out. After doing a bit more research, it appears remote debugging with MicroPython may not b

Re: Too Broad of an exception

2023-10-26 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 10/26/23 03:04, Rene Kita via Python-list wrote: Rene Kita wrote: rsutton wrote: Hi all, I am fairly new to python (ie < 2 years). I have a question about pylint. I am running on windows 10/11, python 3.10.11. [...] if p.returncode >= 8: raise Exception(f&#

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/26/2023 4:25 PM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:43 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: On 10/26/23 06:34, o1bigtenor wrote: Interesting - - - - ". . . see if it runs." - - - that's the issue! When the code is accessing sensors there is

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Dan Purgert via Python-list
On 2023-10-26, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:19 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list > wrote: >> >> On 10/25/23 05:51, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: >> > Looks like I have another area to investigate. (grin!) >> > Any suggestions? >> >

RE: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of o1bigtenor via Python-list Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 8:34 AM To: Michael Torrie Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Question(s) On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:19 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: > > On 10/25/23

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 10/26/2023 6:36 PM, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: I am not one for IDLE worship, Tenor. But if you have been getting a message here, it is that there are an amazing number of programs that support your use of python during the development phase and perhaps later. I actually often use an

RE: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
can follow what it is doing, presents special challenges. Now if he ever wants to read in a .CSV file and analyze the data and make graphs and so on, I might chime in. For now, I am dropping out. Avi -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Thomas Passin via Python-list Sent

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-26 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On Behalf Of Thomas Passin via Python-list Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Question(s) On 10/26/2023 6:36 PM, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: I am not one for IDLE worship, Tenor. But if you have been getting a message here, it is that there are

Re: Question(s)

2023-10-27 Thread Greg Ewing via Python-list
On 25/10/23 2:32 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: Error correcting memory, redundant systems, and human monitoring, plus the ability to rewrite the guidance software on the fly if they needed to. Although the latter couldn't actually be done with the AGC, as the software was in ROM. They could poke va

NameError: name '__version__' is not defined

2023-10-27 Thread Loris Bennett via Python-list
Hi, I have two applications. One uses the system version of Python, which is 3.6.8, whereas the other uses Python 3.10.8 installed in a non-system path. For both applications I am using poetry with a pyproject.toml file which contains the version information and __init__.py at the root which con

Re: NameError: name '__version__' is not defined

2023-10-27 Thread Loris Bennett via Python-list
"Loris Bennett" writes: > Hi, > > I have two applications. One uses the system version of Python, which > is 3.6.8, whereas the other uses Python 3.10.8 installed in a non-system > path. For both applications I am using poetry with a pyproject.toml > file which contains the version information

Re: NameError: name '__version__' is not defined

2023-10-27 Thread Loris Bennett via Python-list
"Loris Bennett" writes: > "Loris Bennett" writes: > >> Hi, >> >> I have two applications. One uses the system version of Python, which >> is 3.6.8, whereas the other uses Python 3.10.8 installed in a non-system >> path. For both applications I am using poetry with a pyproject.toml >> file whic

Re: NameError: name '__version__' is not defined

2023-10-27 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list
Loris Bennett wrote at 2023-10-27 09:29 +0200: > ... >For the application with the system Python this mechanism works, but for >the non-system Python I get the error: > > NameError: name '__version__' is not defined If you get exceptions (they usually end in `Error` (such as `NameError`)), look a

PyDev 11.0.2 Released

2023-10-29 Thread Fabio Zadrozny via Python-list
PyDev 11.0.2 Release Highlights Continuing with the updates to Python 3.12, the new release integrates the latest version of typeshed (so, *from typing import override* is now properly recognized). Also, it's now possible to specify vmargs in the python interpreter (and not just in the launch co

How to find any documentation for smbus?

2023-10-30 Thread Chris Green via Python-list
I am using the python3 smbus module, but it's hard work because of the lack of documentation. Web searches confirm that the documentation is somewhat thin! If you do the obvious this is what you get:- >>> import smbus >>> dir (smbus) ['SMBus', '__doc__', '__file__', '__loader__', '__

Re: How to find any documentation for smbus?

2023-10-30 Thread Chris Green via Python-list
km wrote: > Il Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:08:00 +0100, Chris Green ha scritto: > > > I am using the python3 smbus module, but it's hard work because of the > > lack of documentation. Web searches confirm that the documentation is > > somewhat thin! > > > > If you do the obvious this is what you get:-

Re: How to find any documentation for smbus?

2023-10-30 Thread Chris Green via Python-list
Dan Purgert wrote: > On 2023-10-28, Chris Green wrote: > > I am using the python3 smbus module, but it's hard work because of the > > lack of documentation. Web searches confirm that the documentation is > > somewhat thin! > > > > The SMBus spec is available from http://smbus.org (or at least it

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