[issue26362] Approved API for creating a temporary file path

Ben Finney added the comment: > tempfile.mktemp() still exists and works without raising a deprecation > warning. Of course it's still marked as deprecated in the docs. Right. So, the issue is not resolved: Functionality to create a temporary file path is maintained in the standard l

Re: How Do You Replace Variables With Their Values?

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Re: How Do You Replace Variables With Their Values?

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Re: Instance vs Class variable oddity

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Re: convert .py to Android ?

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[issue23297] Clarify error when ‘tokenize.detect_encoding’ receives text

Ben Finney added the comment: On 28-Apr-2019, Berker Peksag wrote: > The original problem has already been solved by making > tokenize.generate_tokens() public in issue 12486. I don't understand how that would affect the resolution of this issue. Isn't the correct resolution here

Re: formatted docstrings

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Re: Syntax for one-line "nonymous" functions in "declaration style"

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Re: configparser - which one?

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Re: Your IDE's?

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Re: Your IDE's?

ect of a programmer's editor like Vim or GNU Emacs. -- \“The reason we come up with new versions is not to fix bugs. | `\ It's absolutely not.” —Bill Gates, 1995-10-23 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- ht

Re: Reasoning of calling a method on class object instead of class instance object

Arup Rakshit writes: Michael Torrie writes: > On 03/18/2019 05:55 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > >> If I call `_c_to_f`, `_f_to_c` methods on `self` instead of > >> `RefrigeratedShippingContainer` class object, still it works. > > > > That's right, and is indeed th

Re: Reasoning of calling a method on class object instead of class instance object

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Re: Not a python question, just programming logic trap?

children. | `\ They had all the paintings up on refrigerators.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Totally Legit Signing Key?

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Re: Two Tier Cloud Network

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Re: Feature suggestions: "Using declarations" i.e. context managers ("with" blocks) tied to scope/lifetime of the variable rather than to nesting

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Re: Multiprocessing performance question

tried using that library and timing the result? -- \ “You don't need a book of any description to help you have some | `\kind of moral awareness.” —Dr. Francesca Stavrakoloulou, bible | _o__) scholar, 2011-05-08 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python

Re: What's the address for?

, and thinking of them that way will frequently lead you to the wrong conclusion. https://nedbatchelder.com/text/names1.html> -- \ “Theology is the effort to explain the unknowable in terms of | `\ the not worth knowing.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__)

Re: The NaNny State

at it | `\is. Every once in a while I'll be listening to the radio and I | _o__) say, ‘I think I might have written that.’” —Steven Wright | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Problem : Generator

o information. They are the tool of choice for the internet | _o__) highwayman.” —Anthony Taylor | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Can't run setup.py offline due to setup_requires - setup.py calls home

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Re: Loop with else clause

her code has decided which items to handle; it becomes correspondingly simpler. -- \ “Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe | `\ or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” —Arthur C. Clarke, | _o__) 1999 | Ben F

Re: When to Use Django & Flask frame work

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Re: Help - Python REST API

. They can only give you answers.” —Pablo | `\ Picasso | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: setup.py and licensing questions

license is a statement, preferably brief, that says exactly what the work is, who holds copyright, who receives a grant of license, and what that grants the recipient to do, under what explicit conditions. For example: Copyright © 2018 Ben Finney Purple Drachma is free sof

[issue33130] functools.reduce signature uses `iterable`, documentation should use the same term

Ben Finney added the comment: Hah, sorry to use a local-filesystem URL. (Hooray for locally-installed developer documentation!) The same section is online at https://docs.python.org/3/library/functools.html#functools.reduce . -- ___ Python

[issue33130] functools.reduce signature uses `iterable`, documentation should use the same term

Ben Finney added the comment: The library documentation (e.g. file:///usr/share/doc/python3/html/library/functools.html#functools.reduce ) also has this dissonance: > functools.reduce(`function`, `iterable` [, `initializer` ]) > >Apply function of two arguments cum

Re: question on the 'calendar' function

o1bigtenor writes: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:09 PM Ben Finney > wrote: > > o1bigtenor writes: > > > It could be useful to see the longer time spans as weeks rather > > > than as days but seeing the larger time frames only as months > > > woul

Re: question on the 'calendar' function

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Re: PEP 394

.” | _o__) —Steven Wright | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ESR "Waning of Python" post

am still receiving” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python indentation (3 spaces)

e business of religion profoundly interesting. | `\ But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take | _o__) it seriously.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Python indentation (correct behaviour) (was: Python indentation (3 spaces))

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Re: This thread is closed [an actual new thread]

Ethan Furman writes: > On 10/01/2018 04:26 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > If there is some specific formal meaning to the above statement, I > > don't know where it's documented. If it's not a specific formal > > statement, that is itself troubling, because it's not clear what

This thread is closed (was: [OT] master/slave debate in Python)

nce. -- \ “Truth would quickly cease to become stranger than fiction, | `\ once we got as used to it.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What's an elegant way to test for list index existing?

Ben Finney writes: > You can use a comprehension, iterating over the full range of index you > want:: > > words = shlex.split(line) > padding_length = 5 > words_padded = [ > (words[index] if index < len(words)) > for index in range(p

Re: What's an elegant way to test for list index existing?

ehension mechanics provide. -- \ “Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in | `\ behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.” —Ambrose | _o__) Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_, 1906 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Which class method is being called when we declare below expression?

Ben Finney writes: > Ajay Patel writes: > > > L = [1,2,3] > > That's not an expression; it is an assignment statement. > > The right-hand side is an expression. […] in this case, [the object] a new > instance of 'list' […] is the result of evaluating the right-hand s

Re: Which class method is being called when we declare below expression?

scription also applies to that assignment statement. -- \“If you go parachuting, and your parachute doesn't open, and | `\you friends are all watching you fall, I think a funny gag | _o__) would be to pretend you were swimming.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney

Re: Enum with nested classes or with types as members

—David Weinberger | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to pass Python command line options (vs arguments) when running script directly vs via Python interpreter?

Pilgrim, 2006 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Good reason not to obfuscate URLs (was: Fishing from PyPI ?)

_o__) _Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to start gnuradio

Grasse Tyson, 2011-02-04 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why did logging not undergo PEP8 API change?

orated into law and policy.” | _o__) —Russell Blackford, 2010-03-06 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Anyone using cloud based monitoring/logging services with Python logging module?

languages, including Python's ‘logging’ module. -- \ “When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd doubled my | `\ age in a year. I thought, if this keeps up, by the time I'm six | _o__) I'll be ninety.” —Steven Wright | Ben Finney -- https://mail.p

Re: coding style - where to declare variables

-typed reference to an object. I expect both of these requests to meet with little satisfaction. -- \ “We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that | `\ divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of | _o__)being correct.” —Niels Bohr (to Wolfgang Pa

Re: For next loops

o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: functions vs methods

ived from it) to improve the documentation as you suggest. -- \ “Come on, if your religion is so vulnerable that a little bit | `\ of disrespect is going to bring it down, it's not worth | _o__) believing in, frankly.” —Terry Gilliam, 2005-01-18 | Ben Finney

Re: functions vs methods

resulted from people who took unpopular | `\ positions.” —Adlai Stevenson | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Looking for a recent quote about dynamic typing, possibly on this list

1988 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Using Python with a website

\ “If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not rightly | `\ owned if it is not shared.” —Augustine of Hippo (354–430 CE) | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 526 - var annotations and the spirit of python

nterested any more. -- \“This sentence contradicts itself — no actually it doesn't.” | `\ —Douglas Hofstadter | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 526 - var annotations and the spirit of python

t rare story of which you happen to have first-hand | _o__) knowledge.” —Erwin Knoll | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

T Berger writes: > On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Finney wrote: > > Given that history [of ignoring user requests for improvement], you > > might want to avoid Google Groups for interacting with forums, and > > choose software that works better with di

Re: PEP 526 - var annotations and the spirit of python

Jim Lee writes: > On 07/03/18 19:58, Ben Finney via Python-list wrote: > > Jim Lee writes: > > > >> If you were to say John had 2 apples, Jane had 4 apples, and Joe had > >> an indefinite number of apples, how many numbers are we talking about? > > Thr

Re: PEP 526 - var annotations and the spirit of python

uot; is a number”. -- \“That's the essence of science: Ask an impertinent question, | `\and you're on the way to the pertinent answer.” —Jacob | _o__) Bronowski, _The Ascent of Man_, 1973 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

Lowell | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

place to get that help. -- \ “I tell you the truth: this generation will certainly not pass | `\ away until all these things [the end of the world] have | _o__) happened.” —Jesus, c. 30 CE, as quoted in Matthew 24:34 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/li

Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

ary. -- \ “The entertainment industry calls DRM "security" software, | `\ because it makes them secure from their customers.” —Cory | _o__) Doctorow, 2014-02-05 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Should nested classes in an Enum be Enum members?

Ethan Furman writes: > On 06/28/2018 05:58 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > > So I remain dumbfounded as to why anyone would want a class to *both* be > > an enumerated type, *and* have callable attributes in its API. > > Perhaps I am using Enum incorrectly, but here is

Re: Should nested classes in an Enum be Enum members?

Ian Kelly writes: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:38 AM Ben Finney wrote: > > > > Ethan Furman writes: > > > > Specifically, I can't make sense of why someone would want to have a > > class that is simultaneously behaving as an enumerated type, *and* > > h

Re: Should nested classes in an Enum be Enum members?

ur measuring | `\ devices tell us about the actual nature of reality.” —Ann | _o__) Druyan, _Cosmos_, 2014 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Quick survey: locals in comprehensions (Python 3 only)

From: Ben Finney Paul Moore writes: > On 24 June 2018 at 06:03, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > Given this function: > > > > def test(): > > a = 1 > > b = 2 > > result = [value for key, value in locals().items()] > > return

Re: Anyone here on Python-Dev mailing list?

From: Ben Finney Steven D'Aprano writes: > Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails > containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from > somebody (some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail > address? I am on

Re: Package directory question

From: Ben Finney Robert Latest via Python-list writes: > Because the main.py script needs to import the tables.py module from > backend, I put this at the top if main.py: > >sys.path.append('../..') >import jobwatch.backend.tables as tables > > My question is: Is t

Re: translating foreign data

From: Ben Finney Richard Damon writes: > On 6/23/18 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >>> Richard Damon wrote: > >>> > Data presented to the user should normally use his locale > >>> > (unless

Re: Quick survey: locals in comprehensions (Python 3 only)

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Re: Anyone here on Python-Dev mailing list?

, and am not receiving anything like that. -- \ “Today, I was — no, that wasn't me.” —Steven Wright | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.pytho

Re: Package directory question

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Re: translating foreign data

sn't inconvenience [lawbreakers] — indeed, over time it | `\ trains law-abiding users to become [lawbreakers] out of sheer | _o__)frustration.” —Charles Stross, 2010-05-09 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is it possible to call a class but without a new instance created?

olving that problem? -- \ “The Vatican is not a state.… a state must have territory. This | `\ is a palace with gardens, about as big as an average golf | _o__) course.” —Geoffrey Robertson, 2010-09-18 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Is it possible to call a class but without a new instance created?

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Re: Metasyntactic thingies

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Re: syntax difference

d it.” —Donald Knuth, 1977-03-29 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: syntax difference

Chris Angelico writes: > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > (or, if you want to continue with the older less-flexible style, (I gave an unhelpful URL for that documentation. Try this instead https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#printf-style-strin

Re: syntax difference

es sense in different use cases. -- \“A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can | `\ take from you.” —Ramsey Clark | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Server warning

e WSGI server). -- \ “[F]reedom of speech does not entail freedom to have your ideas | `\accepted by governments and incorporated into law and policy.” | _o__) —Russell Blackford, 2010-03-06 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: How to apply filters to posts

Dennis Lee Bieber writes: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 05:39:08 +1000, Ben Finney > declaimed the following: > > >Don't choose the daily digest, because it makes a special “digest” > >message for you each day. That message is disconnected from any other > >message, and so yo

[issue14102] argparse: add ability to create a man page

Ben Finney added the comment: On Thu, 2018-06-14 23:46 +, Aaron Meurer wrote: > Couldn't such a tool exist outside the standard library. I've tried writing such a tool. It would ideally re-use as much as feasible of the functionality that assembles the usage mess

[issue14102] argparse: add ability to create a man page

Ben Finney added the comment: On Thu, 2018-06-14 20:02 +, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote: > The (possible) confusion is the existence of a manpage only available > though argparse (`./python foo.py --manpage`) This report isn't asking for that. (I see only one person pro

Re: mutable sequences

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Re: How to apply filters to posts

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[issue14102] argparse: add ability to create a man page

Ben Finney added the comment: On 14-Jun-2018, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote: > I think this should be something that is not included in argparse > itself. I can imagine a scenario in which the manpage is accessible > through `./python foo.py --manpage` but the manpage is not

Re: mutable sequences

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Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

death while praying for a fish.” | _o__) —Anonymous | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Valid encodings for a Python source file

e set (rather than deliberately unspecified)? What are you hoping to do with that information? -- \ “Good design adds value faster than it adds cost.” —Thomas C. | `\ Gale | _o__)

Re: Attachments

place to begin or end, and it's hard to keep track of what | _o__) you've already covered.” —anonymous | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Attachments

| _o__) would be to pretend you were swimming.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How can an int be '+' with a tuple?

it said ‘Adults: $5.00, Children $2.50’. | `\ So I said ‘Give me two boys and a girl.’” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: '_' and '__'

Mike McClain <mike.junk...@att.net> writes: > Steven D'Aprano and Ben Finney used these '_' and '__'. > Steve said, "[[] for _ in range(5)]". > Ben said, "[ [] for __ in range(5) ]". > > These aren't listed separately in the index That's right, the n

Re: Some Issues on Tagging Text

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Re: List replication operator

2008-06-27 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to handle captcha through machanize module or any module

es Stross, 2010-05-09 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Data blocks" syntax specification draft

—_Slapstick_, | `\ Kurt Vonnegut | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what does := means simply?

nt languages :-) -- \ “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be | `\ happy.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: object types, mutable or not?

Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> writes: > On Wed, 16 May 2018 11:30:26 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > An object is not a value; an object *has* a value. The object > > retains its identity even when its value changes. > > Here you have hit

Re: object types, mutable or not?

the “a value is an object” false equivalence needs un-learning, I can't let it pass. -- \“The idea that He would take his attention away from the | `\ universe in order to give me a bicycle with three speeds is | _o__) just so unlikely that I can't go along with it.” —Quentin C

Re: What's the rationale for b"..." in this example?

t question, the answer is no. Rather, the ‘bytes’ and ‘str’ types are now entirely incompatible, and implicit conversions are never done between them. Any conversions between them must be explicit. -- \“There are always those who think they know what is your | `\ resp

Re: object types, mutable or not?

inding (the “variable”). The type is a property of the object. -- \ “It is the fundamental duty of the citizen to resist and to | `\ restrain the violence of the state.” —Noam Chomsky, 1971 | _o__) | Ben Finney --

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