Patrick Maupin added the comment:
You are correct that I have conflated two issues, but they are not orthogonal
-- if you choose to use relative imports, you will never encounter this issue,
because your imports will all be of the 'from ... import' form.
(And, as you point out, the fact
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
concurrent/futures/__init__.py may be a better example than 2to3 for this
issue. It's relatively new code, it's part of the standard library, it's
fairly small and self-contained, and it doesn't follow the promulgated standard.
If it's bad code, it should
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
I don't think anything is wrong with that code. But PEP 8 prescribes a way of
doing something that often won't work (which is unusual for PEP 8), with no
discussion of this fact.
> I think the key thing to take away from this whole discussion is "do
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
The PEP 8 recommendation to "use absolute imports" is completely, totally,
unambiguously meaningless absent the expectation that packages refer to parts
of themselves. And it works, too! (For a single level of package.)
As soon as packages
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
I'm a big fan of stitching things together at the top myself -- maybe that's
partly an unconscious reaction to this very issue.
But I'm not sanguine about how easy it is to express this practice in the docs.
This issue arose in the context of me answering
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
(stuff about cPython)
No, I was curious about whether somebody maintained pure-Python fixes (e.g. to
the re parser and compiler). Those could be in a regular package that fixed
some corner cases such as the capture group you just applied a patch
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
Example
text = 'test1/1.jp2'
text.rstrip('.2jp')
'test1/1'
--
___
Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org
http://bugs.python.org/issue24445
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
I think you misunderstand rstrip -- it works from the right, and checks to see
if the right-most character is in the string you have given it. As long as it
is, then it will remove the character and loop
--
nosy: +Patrick Maupin
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
Thank you for the quick response, Serhiy. I had started investigating and come
to the conclusion that it was a problem with the compiler rather than the C
engine. Interestingly, my next step was going to be to use names for the
compiler constants
New submission from Patrick Maupin:
The addition of a capturing group in a re.split() pattern, e.g. using '(\n)'
instead of '\n', causes a factor of 10 performance degradation.
I use re.split a() lot, but never noticed the issue before. It was extremely
noticeable on 1000 patterns in a 5BG
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
1) I have obviously oversimplified my test case, to the point where a developer
thinks I'm silly enough to reach for the regex module just to split on a
linefeed.
2) '\n(?=(\n))' -- yes, of course, any casual user of the re module would
immediately choose
Patrick Maupin added the comment:
Just to be perfectly clear, this is no exaggeration:
My original file was slightly over 5GB.
I have approximately 1050 bad strings in it, averaging around 11 characters per
string.
If I split it without capturing those 1050 strings, it takes 3.7 seconds
On Nov 3, 9:55 pm, Matt macma...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I am trying to concatenate several hundred files based on their filename..
Filenames are like this:
Q1.HOMOblast.fasta
Q1.mus.blast.fasta
Q1.query.fasta
Q2.HOMOblast.fasta
Q2.mus.blast.fasta
Q2.query.fasta
...
On Nov 1, 11:02 pm, Makoto Kuwata k...@kuwata-lab.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to define a special class which groups functions, like:
class Greepting(FuncGroup):
def hello(): # no self, no @staticmethod!
print(Hello!)
def goodbye(): # no self, no
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:
Yes. Actually, you don't even need the split() -- you can pass an
optional deletechars parameter to translate().
On Oct 31, 5:52 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
That sounds overly complicated and error-prone.
Not
On Oct 31, 9:12 pm, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:
I would claim that a well-written (in C) translate function, without
using the delete option, should be much quicker than any python loop,
even if it does copy the data.
Are you arguing with me? I was agreeing with you, I thought, that
On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 2:05 PM, Patrick Maupin wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:23 pm, Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I do not think everyone else should suffer substantial increase in space
and run time to avoid surprising you.
What substantial
On Oct 27, 10:23 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I do not think everyone else should suffer substantial increase in space
and run time to avoid surprising you.
What substantial increase? There's already a check that winds up
raising an exception. Just make it empty an iterator
On Oct 28, 3:19 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 3:21 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
If the slice has too few elements, you've just blown away the entire
iterator for no good reason.
If the slice is the right length, but the iterator doesn't next raise
StopIteration,
On Oct 28, 4:51 pm, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:19 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 10/28/2011 3:21 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
If the slice has too few elements, you've just blown away the entire
iterator for no good reason.
If the slice
On Oct 28, 8:01 pm, Steven D'Aprano ALREADY LOSES DATA if the
iterator isn't the right size and it raises an
exception.
Yes. What's your point? This fact doesn't support your proposal in the
slightest.
You earlier made the argument that If the slice has too few elements,
you've just blown
Bug or misunderstanding?
Python 2.7.1+ (r271:86832, Apr 11 2011, 18:13:53)
[GCC 4.5.2] on linux2
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
x = 32 * [0]
x[:] = (x for x in xrange(32))
from ctypes import c_uint
x = (32 * c_uint)()
x[:] = xrange(32)
x[:] = (x for x in
On Oct 27, 5:31 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
From the outside, you can't tell how big a generator expression is. It has no
length:
I understand that.
Since the array object has no way of telling whether the generator will have
the correct size, it
On Oct 27, 9:46 pm, candide cand...@free.invalid wrote:
Le 28/10/2011 02:02, MRAB a crit :
No, built-in classes written in C have certain limitations, but why
would you want to do that anyway?
Mainly for learning purpose and Python better understanding.
Actually, I have a class of mine
On Jun 2, 6:25 am, John Machin sjmac...@lexicon.net wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:43 pm, johnty johntyw...@gmail.com wrote:
i'm reading bytes from a serial port, and storing it into an array.
each byte represents a signed 8-bit int.
currently, the code i'm looking at converts them to an unsigned
On Jun 3, 9:54 pm, GZ zyzhu2...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I am looking for an algorithm that can compare to source code files
line by line and find the minimum diff. I have looked at the difflib
included in python. The problem is that it is designed to make the
diff results easier for humans
On May 21, 8:45 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote:
In article
eb0c9aec-428f-45a2-a985-5b33906e0...@z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com,
Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
company which thinks it has a lock on some kind
On May 21, 9:12 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
In article
eb0c9aec-428f-45a2-a985-5b33906e0...@z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com,
Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
On May 22, 2:43 am, sturlamolden stu...@molden.no wrote:
On 21 Mai, 20:20, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, any company in a competitive
market where execution speed is extremely important might choose some
other language because, frankly, the fact that a development tool
On May 22, 5:00 am, Michele Simionato michele.simion...@gmail.com
wrote:
On May 21, 4:20 pm, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote:
What about Go, exactly, do people see as Python-like?
The philosophy of keeping things simple. I find the concurrency
mechanism quite Pythonic.
That's
On May 22, 1:49 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Because, as I said, and as you explain further, Python favors programmer
speed, including speed of testing new algorithms, over raw execution
speed of current algorithms. (Current) speed is (also) easier to test
than improvability and
On May 21, 10:30 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote:
Erm, in fairness, I recall hearing that some speed-critical bits of hg
are written in C. It does lend credence to the Python as glue
language argument though; I doubt hg's extensibility and friendly
interface would have been as easy
On May 22, 6:14 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:13:30 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote about the lack
of exceptions in Go:
Looking at their rationale, it is appears that one or more of the
primary go developers had to deal way too often
On May 21, 5:21 am, Deep_Feelings doctore...@gmail.com wrote:
i could not see many programs written in python
Well you could try PyPi, or even a search on googlecode.
(i will be interested
more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python ).
What do you mean by commercial, and why?
and to be
On May 20, 6:57 pm, Brendan Miller catph...@catphive.net wrote:
I have a python script that sets up some environmental stuff. I would
then like to be able to change back to interactive mode and use that
environment. What's the best way to do that?
import cmd
class MyCmd(cmd.Cmd):
... def
On May 20, 9:56 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I am now trying to allow my classes, all of which subclass a single
class (if that is the term), to provide optional arguments. Here is
some of my code:
class Craft():
def __init__(self,
name,
isAircraft=False,
On May 20, 10:35 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
So how do I get at anything inside **kw? Is it a list?
It's a dictionary. Use *args for a list. (As with self, the name is
whatever you want to use, but some sort of consistency is nice.)
One of the cool things about Python is how easy
On May 19, 9:27 pm, Carbon nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com wrote:
I am new to Python and am trying to write a GUI wrapper script in python
2.5 to get username and passwords from Linux users to send as options to
run an app on a 2X terminal server. I came across the easygui module and
its
On May 19, 10:28 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Better is to use ‘shlex.split’ to split the string as a shell parser
would do URL:http://docs.python.org/library/shlex#shlex.split.
Good point. I always forget about shlex.split because I'm usually
passing (relatively) constant
On May 18, 11:03 am, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2010-05-16 09:25 , Ed Keith wrote:
No, the GPL makes it clear that the responsibly is on the distributor to
either supply the source or written notice, Caveat venditor. The violation
exists regardless of whether or not the
On May 18, 12:31 pm, superpollo ute...@esempio.net wrote:
def myfun():
... return WOW
...
myfun()
'WOW'
now, i would like to list the funcion definition, something like this:
myfun.somethinglikethis()
def myfun():
return WOW
is there something like this around?
On May 18, 1:41 pm, superpollo ute...@esempio.net wrote:
Patrick Maupin ha scritto:
On May 18, 12:31 pm, superpollo ute...@esempio.net wrote:
def myfun():
... return WOW
...
myfun()
'WOW'
now, i would like to list the funcion definition, something like
On May 14, 3:19 am, harry k hkiri...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Write a spell checking tool that will identify all misspelled word in a text
file using a provided dictionary.
Well, this has been educational. Both my daughters just finished
their final exams last week, so I was confused about seeing
On May 17, 8:20 am, a oxfordenergyservi...@googlemail.com wrote:
ps someone helped me with enumerate(), which works on the linux but
not on the windows?
enumerate() works fine on windows. Perhaps your windows box has a
really old Python?
Regards,
Pat
--
On May 17, 3:19 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I am a bit confused about classes. What do you pass a class, since all
the actual information is passed to __init__? For example, say you
have a dog class. The dog object has a name, a size, and a color. I
believe you would say
On May 17, 3:55 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
So what is a subclass compared to a class? Are you saying that what is
passed to the class, so what is in the parentheses of the class, is
really the superclass? If so, what is the advantage of doing this; why
not just create a class that
On May 17, 10:52 pm, shuvro shuvr...@gmail.com wrote:
Suppose I have a class like this -
class myClass(object):
def __init__(self):
self.a = 10
self.b = 20
def my_method(self,var = 20):
self.local_var = var
I want to know about its method(__init__ and
On May 16, 9:19 am, Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand
wrote:
But what about the “freedom” to take away
other
people’s freedom? Is that really “freedom”?
Yes.
But that’s a “freedom” that non-GPL licences do
On May 16, 1:51 pm, Paul Carter pacman...@gmail.com wrote:
We are using python for our build system. Each subproject dir has a
python script that builds it. Parent dirs have python scripts that
recurse into their children and use exec to invoke the python scripts.
Recently we discovered that
On May 16, 4:42 pm, vsoler vicente.so...@gmail.com wrote:
Taken fromwww.python.org, FAQ 2.3 How do I share global variables
across modules?
config.py:
x = 0 # Default value of the 'x' configuration setting
mod.py:
import config
config.x = 1
main.py:
import config # try
On May 16, 5:38 pm, James Mills prolo...@shortcircuit.net.au wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, vsoler vicente.so...@gmail.com wrote:
However, can I be 100% sure that,no matter how I access variable
'x' (with config.x or mod.config.x) it is always the same 'x'. I mean
that either
On May 15, 12:50 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2010 08:37:14 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
The most obvious example was that the University of Berkley counter-sued
Unix System Laboratories over USL's infringement of the BSD licence.
Well, I
On May 15, 1:34 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2010 19:17:20 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
On May 14, 9:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 548024fc-
dd56-48b9-907d-3aa6a722b
On May 14, 8:04 am, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
You've never had to recode something because it was nominally available
under a proprietary licence that you (or your client) was unwilling to
use? Lucky you!
Steven, did you actually read what he wrote? If
On May 15, 12:49 pm, Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl
wrote:
In article
7bdce8a7-bf7d-4f1f-bc9d-1eca26974...@d27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com,
Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
That is correct. All privileges as you put it are merely things
that a user can do
On May 15, 2:59 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
[Rest of the post, that contains points previously debated and well-
refuted, snipped]
Any claim that a licensing change is needed merely to let people
develop open source applications on the platform is dishonest,
See, there you go
On May 15, 7:09 pm, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote:
Nathan Rice wrote:
This is precisely the situation mmap was made for :) It has almost the same
methods as a file so it should be an easy replacement.
snip
Only on a 64bit system, and I'm not sure it's even possible there in
every
On May 15, 7:09 pm, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote:
Nathan Rice wrote:
This is precisely the situation mmap was made for :) It has almost the same
methods as a file so it should be an easy replacement.
snip
Only on a 64bit system, and I'm not sure it's even possible there in
every
On May 14, 8:47 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 05:35, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
I mean, it's in English and very technically precise, but if you
follow all the references, you quickly come to realize that the
license is a patch to the GPL
On May 14, 9:10 am, Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Picking a license
To: python-l...@python.org
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:35 PM
On May 13, 10:07 pm, Lawrence
On May 14, 1:08 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:10:09 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
The broken window fallacy is about labor that could have been spent
elsewhere if someone else had done something differently. The only time
that comes
On May 14, 8:26 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 13 Mai, 22:10, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to deal with your Ubuntu high horse situation first, you should
take a look at the following for what people regard to be the best
practices around GPL-licensed software
On May 14, 6:12 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 2ff3643b-6ef1-4471-8438-
dcba0dc93...@a21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, Patrick Maupin wrote:
On May 13, 10:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman
On May 14, 6:13 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message
2b17ee77-0e49-4a97-994c-7582f86c0...@r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, Patrick
Maupin wrote:
On May 13, 10:06 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
Under the GPL
On May 14, 10:20 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 09:08, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 13, 10:59 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au
wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 17:18:47 -0700, Carl Banks wrote:
2. Reimplment the
On May 14, 11:48 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 17:37, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
Before, you were busy pointing me at the GPL FAQ as authoritative.
No, the licence is the authority, although the FAQ would probably be
useful to clarify the licence
On May 14, 1:07 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 19:00, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
Would you have agreed had he had said that MatLab's license doesn't
do much good and assigned the same sort of meaning to that statement,
namely that the MatLab license
On May 14, 1:38 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 19:15, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 14, 11:48 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
Section 3 of GPLv2 (and section 6(d) of GPLv3 reads similarly): If
distribution of executable or object code
On May 14, 2:26 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 20:36, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
That statement was made in the context of why Carl doesn't use GPL-
licensed *libraries*. He and I have both explained the difference
between libraries and programs
On May 14, 6:42 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
You really should slow down and read a bit more carefully.
You might want to tone down the condescension.
I didn't start out condescending, and I agree I could have worded this
particular statement a bit more clearly, so I apologize
On May 14, 7:24 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
The option to provide an offer for source rather than direct source
distribution is a special benefit to companies equipped to handle a
fulfillment process. GPLv2 § 3(c) and GPLv3 § 6(c) avoid burdening
noncommercial, occasional
On May 14, 6:52 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 14 Mai, 21:14, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
If Joe downloads and burns a CD for his friend, he may not have the
sources and may not have any intention of getting them, and probably
didn't provide a written offer. What
On May 14, 9:02 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message
ab78bcb6-f07c-4d6c-b6aa-961f4ff59...@i9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, Patrick
Maupin wrote:
On May 14, 6:12 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand
wrote:
In message
2ff3643b
On May 14, 9:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 548024fc-
dd56-48b9-907d-3aa6a722b...@l31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, Patrick Maupin
wrote:
The confusion that some are showing in this thread about whether source
must be distributed certainly helps
On May 14, 8:57 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 84a26d03-03b3-47d9-
a1f9-107470b87...@k2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, Patrick Maupin wrote:
I also firmly believe, as I have stated before, that the GPL is a much
more commercial license. If you want
On May 14, 9:21 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman.180.1273860694.32709.python-l...@python.org, Ed Keith
wrote:
I just refuse to use [the GPL] in any code for a client, because I
do not want to require someone who does not know source code
On May 14, 9:32 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
Don't be silly. That's why I started writing open source software in
the first place. But if I start writing stuff to put in the commons
with strings removed, why would I bother with a license that just adds
On May 14, 8:58 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman.158.1273844352.32709.python-l...@python.org, Ed Keith
wrote:
Yes, under the GPL every one has one set of freedoms, under the MIT or
Boost license every one has more freedoms. Under other
On May 14, 9:17 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message
e5a031a3-d097-4a63-b87a-7ddfb9e90...@n15g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, Patrick
Maupin wrote:
After all, lots of software ideas proved their worth in proprietary
systems, and then were later cloned
On May 14, 9:59 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
I think this talk about freedoms is dangerously incomplete, and is
confusing the issue rather than shedding more light. Both licences grant
the same positive freedoms (freedom to do something). MIT-style licences
On May 14, 11:19 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:10:50 -0700, Ed Keith wrote:
But if my client give someone else a copy of the binary I gave them,
they are now in violation. I do not want to put my client in this
position.
If your
On May 13, 2:58 am, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2010 22:16:29 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
On May 12, 10:48 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman.121.1273693278.32709.python-l...@python.org, Ed
On May 13, 7:25 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message
155f1683-9bfd-4a83-b63f-7fb0fc2f5...@g21g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, Patrick
Maupin wrote:
On May 12, 10:48 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman
On May 13, 9:53 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 13 Mai, 01:36, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
Once the court reaches that conclusion, it would only be a tiny step
to find that the FSF's attempt to claim that clisp infringes the
readline copyright to be a misuse
On May 13, 11:19 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
People only have to honour requests for the corresponding source if
asked for it. They are not violating copyright by default.
Well, the gospel according to the FSF says otherwise:
On May 13, 6:30 pm, Brendan Abel 007bren...@gmail.com wrote:
While I think most of the disagreement in this long thread results
from different beliefs in what freedom means, I wanted to add, that
most of the responses that argue that the MIT license permits the user
more freedom than the GPL,
On May 13, 6:39 pm, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 08:06:52 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
If I download an Ubuntu
ISO, burn it and give it away (let's say I give away 100 copies, just to
remove the fair use defense), then I have violated
On May 13, 6:39 pm, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 08:06:52 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
[...]
Only a
tiny proportion of people would discover by their own efforts that the
source code was available
No, I tell my friends that source
On May 13, 6:39 pm, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 08:06:52 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
Perhaps the Apache model doesn't work quite as well as you think?
Apparently it's 66 percent of the web servers for the million busiest
sites
On May 13, 10:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
How exactly does the LGPL lead to a requirement to “relink”?
I think this might be a misconception, but I'm not 100% sure. Since
Ed gives his customers full source code, there may not be the
requirement to
On May 13, 10:03 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 72888d2c-4b1a-4b08-a3aa-
f4021d2ed...@e2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, Patrick Maupin wrote:
If I download an Ubuntu ISO, burn it and give it away (let's say I give
away 100 copies, just to remove
On May 13, 10:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman.142.1273767256.32709.python-l...@python.org, Ed Keith
wrote:
The claim is being made that [the GPL] restricts freedom.
What about the “freedom” to restrict other people’s freedom? Should
On May 13, 10:06 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message mailman.141.1273767256.32709.python-l...@python.org, Ed Keith
wrote:
Assertion I:
If person A is free to do more than person B, then person A has
more freedom then person B.
Assertion
On May 12, 7:10 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 11 Mai, 22:39, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
OK. Now I'm REALLY confused. I said Certainly RMS
carefully lays out that the LGPL should be used sparingly in his Why
you shouldn't use the Lesser GPL for your next
On May 11, 10:06 pm, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote:
The point is, GPL (and OWL) is for programmers who just don't care about
the legal stuffs and would want to spend more time writing code than
writing license.
Absolutely. When I wrote permissive license I was not trying to
imply that
On May 12, 7:26 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 11 Mai, 23:02, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
Huh? Permissive licenses offer much better certainty for someone
attempting a creative mash-up. Different versions of the Apache
license don't conflict with each other. If I
On May 12, 7:43 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 11 Mai, 22:50, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 11, 5:34 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
Yes, *if* you took it. He isn't forcing you to take it, though, is he?
No, but he said a lot of words that I
On May 12, 2:19 am, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/12/10 06:50, Patrick Maupin wrote:
On May 11, 5:34 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 10 Mai, 20:36, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
The fact is, I know the man would force me to pay for the chocolate, so
On May 12, 12:17 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 12 Mai, 16:45, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 12, 7:43 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
Thus, owned my soul joins holy war and Bin Laden on the list.
That rhetorical toolbox is looking pretty empty
On May 12, 1:00 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On 12 Mai, 16:10, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 12, 7:10 am, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
What the licence asks you to do and what the author of the licence
wants you to do are two separate things
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