Worryingly
I was hacking away at some x86_64 assembler today
when I found myself obsessively indenting my code
by EXACTLY 4 spaces or (multiples thereof)
Who'd have thought it.
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any metric you want, a simple KLOC, function point or cost analysis will
be fine.
This is a genuine enquiry and not designed to 'diss' Python in any way.
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On 23/08/12 02:19, Walter Hurry wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:46:43 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
Well I'm a beginner
Then maybe you should read more and write less.
Really ? I read all the responses to my posts and learn more from them
in less time than I ever have from reading
On 23/08/12 05:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:19:49 +, Walter Hurry wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:46:43 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
Well I'm a beginner
Then maybe you should read more and write less.
I think that's uncalled for. Lipska isn't trolling. He's making
On 22/08/12 22:31, Evan Driscoll wrote:
On 08/22/2012 02:45 PM, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 20:03, Evan Driscoll wrote:
Second, this concept isn't *so* unfamiliar to you. If I give you the
following Java code:
void foo(Object o) { ... }
looking at this method declaration I can see
this 'it's not all about you' meaningless
nonsense. It's pointless and wastes mine and no doubt others time.
If you want to carry this on please contact me off list.
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On 23/08/12 17:44, Evan Driscoll wrote:
On 08/23/2012 04:19 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
Well we don't want to turn this into a language comparison thread do we,
that might upset too many people but I can't remember ever writing a
method that took an Object as argument, you just can't do that much
Unicode :-)
I like it, give it a chance and you will probably like it too.
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On 22/08/12 16:58, MRAB wrote:
On 22/08/2012 15:59, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 15:13, shaun wrote:
[snip]
Im very new to python and the object orientated feature doesnt seem
to be as well put together as Java. Can anyone help with this problem?
From one Java head to another I
On 22/08/12 17:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/08/2012 17:10, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 16:58, MRAB wrote:
On 22/08/2012 15:59, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 15:13, shaun wrote:
[snip]
Im very new to python and the object orientated feature doesnt seem
to be as well put together
On 22/08/12 18:01, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 8/22/2012 10:59 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
There is no real enforced concept of information hiding, no binding of
type to variable in fact no concept of typing at all as far as I can
see.
Given that type(valid_name) always returns a type(class
On 22/08/12 19:15, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
If, in a language, I find I am able to say
a = 1
[snip]
You're conflating strong typing with static typing. Strong typing
does not refer to restrictions on what type
On 22/08/12 19:07, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/08/2012 18:06, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 17:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/08/2012 17:10, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 16:58, MRAB wrote:
On 22/08/2012 15:59, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 15:13, shaun wrote:
[snip]
Maybe
On 22/08/12 20:03, Evan Driscoll wrote:
On 08/22/2012 12:46 PM, lipska the kat wrote:
If you can show me a 'type' that cannot be assigned to
a
in the same scope then I would be most interested to know, I haven't
found one yet.
[snip]
Second, this concept isn't *so* unfamiliar to you
On 20/08/12 08:50, gianpy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
as you can argue from the subject, i'm really,really new to python.
What is the best way to achieve that with python? Because the syntax
int('30',2) doesn't seem to work
x = bin(30)[2:]
x
'0'
int(x, 2)
30
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information.
s = chr(0x + 1)
a, b = s
a
'\ud800'
b
'\udc00'
The date stamp is different but the Python version is the same
No idea why this is happening, I just thought it was interesting
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On 19/08/12 11:19, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The date stamp is different but the Python version is the same
Check out what 'sys.maxunicode' is in each of those Pythons. It's
possible that one is a wide build
be ...
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On 09/08/12 20:45, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 8/9/2012 1:39 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples
On 09/08/12 03:59, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:31:57 +0100, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
[snip]
If a node is a father or mother, and it takes one of each to
produce a leaf, your tree has just
, how many other
potentially useful classes are lurking undocumented in the library
This is NOT intended as a criticism but it is frustrating.
many thanks
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On 09/08/12 18:39, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples for
socketserver.BaseRequestHandler
So far as I can
On 09/08/12 18:39, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples for
socketserver.BaseRequestHandler
So far as I can
On 09/08/12 19:55, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 09/08/2012 19:37, lipska the kat wrote:
On 09/08/12 18:39, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we
On 09/08/12 20:07, Peter Otten wrote:
lipska the kat wrote:
If there isn't how does one go about
contributing to the documentation.
http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/bugs.html
A similar link should be right there in the footer of the socketserver
documentation.
It is indeed, thank you
with this but thank you for contributing
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comments but I will be working on this
more to help me understand exactly what is going on
http://pastebin.com/iFzK7fuk SpaceTravellers.py
http://pastebin.com/TdqPwMGi NetworkPickler.py
http://pastebin.com/DF5DtYRZ NetworkUnpickler.py
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On 08/08/12 14:50, S.B wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:48:43 PM UTC+3, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 14:32, S.B wrote:
[snip]
Thank you so much !
The examples are very helpful.
What happens if I have a regular text file I want to send via the network.
Do I need to read the file
On 08/08/12 17:42, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:51:45 +0100, lipska the kat
lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
The point I'm obviously struggling to make is that words convey concepts
The word Person conveys a whole lifetime
On 07/08/12 06:35, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:24:10 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
er, the point I was trying to make is that when you say 'interface' it
could mean so many things. If you say 'facade' everyone knows exactly
what you are talking about. And that is EXACTLY
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:55:24 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
[snip]
The clue is in the name 'Object Oriented' ... anything else is (or
should
On 07/08/12 10:44, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:23:19 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 13:19, rusi wrote:
I suggest this
http://steve-yegge.blogspot.in/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-
nouns.html
http://bpfurtado.livejournal.com/2006/10/21/
Unfortunately
On 07/08/12 12:21, S.B wrote:
Can anyone provide a simple code example of the client and server sides?
Working on it
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have to 'remove' a Person from my designs
as they never get through the door in the first place.
The only time I have ever had to agree that a Person belongs in a
computer is when I saw Tron.
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On 07/08/12 15:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:19:31 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
But what *really* gets me is not the existence of poor terminology. I
couldn't care less what terminology Java programmers use among
themselves
include such a Class.
Person however is an entirely different matter and will never appear in
my systems in any way shape or form ...this is not dogma, it's a fact.
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It does take a bit of application though.
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On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
rant
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our world that you are trying to encapsulate in
computer language. The language you use is (should
On 06/08/12 09:55, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
rant
snip
Well as you seem to be so concerned with terminology I'd have to
disagree with you here. An interface (in computing) has any number
://steve-yegge.blogspot.in/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html
Particularly useful if you are a bit drunk on snake-oil
You take out the garbage.
I've got automatic garbage collection
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haven't tried that yet
Learn Python by all means, the interactive mode is particularly fun,just
try and get a good idea of what OO is all about before you start.
Just my opinion
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On 04/08/12 00:29, Cousin Stanley wrote:
lipska the kat wrote:
I can now create, debug and test a simple IRC server
written in Java and an IRC Bot that I am attempting
to build in Python
For a bit of inspiration python-irc-bot-wise
you might look at supybot
Yep, it's
written in Java
and an IRC Bot that I am attempting to build in Python side by side in
the same IDE simply by switching profiles (click one button). Astonishing.
You might like to try it
Just FYI so please don't tell me off (again).
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On 03/08/12 13:10, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 03/08/2012 12:34, lipska the kat wrote:
A while ago someone asked me what I thought of the Eclipse plugin for
python,
snip
My opinion of Eclipse is unchanged by your words, it's like trying to
run a legless carthorse in the Grand National
On 03/08/12 13:40, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 03/08/2012 13:23, lipska the kat wrote:
On 03/08/12 13:10, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 03/08/2012 12:34, lipska the kat wrote:
A while ago someone asked me what I thought of the Eclipse plugin for
python,
snip
it's like trying to
run a legless
doesn't get excited) If I try that in Java
the sky falls in. Of course I'm about as far away from being a Python
expert as it's possible to be.
Anyway, if and when I find out more I'll let you know. It will be a
while though.
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On 03/08/12 17:40, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:51:26 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
I can write a
Python class and call it Foo and save it in a file called Bar and it's
no big deal (at least Eclipse doesn't get excited) If I try that in Java
the sky falls in.
:)
Correct
you an ignoramus (it's a funny word though isn't it,
makes me smile anyway).
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On 01/08/12 09:06, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 01/08/2012 00:31, David wrote:
On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote:
[1] as in beer
[2] for research purposes
There's one (as in 1 above) in the pump for you.
Great, more beer = better research
) in the pump for you.
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what we spend 80% of our developer time
writing.
snip
We are very sorry to say that due to licensing constraints we cannot
allow access to Songza for listeners located outside of the United States.
Arse :-(
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are ...
How is python used in the real world.
What sized projects are people involved with
Are applications generally written entirely in python or is it more
often used for a subset of functionality.
I hope this is an acceptable question for this group
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everything I want to.
JavaAnt everyday
Cmake a while back
python well I sort of got sidetracked by python
... and then I got sidetracked by git !!!
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are not
being added to sys.path
I also have an empty file __init__.py in the mods directory
Not sure what I'm doing wrong here
Any help much appreciated.
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On 23/07/12 11:19, Dave Angel wrote:
On 07/23/2012 06:02 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Hello again pythoners
snip
That line isn't the way you showed it in the source. You showed us
source as fibo.fib(1000), and the error message shows it as fib(1000)
So you're either cutting pasting wrong
, I'll read again
Thanks for taking the time to reply
It all works now
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On 21/07/12 21:10, Dave Angel wrote:
On 07/21/2012 03:08 PM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Greetings Pythoners
A short while back I posted a message that described a task I had set
myself. I wanted to implement the following bash shell script in Python
snip
A totally off-the-wall query
way' again.
I'm going to do 'proper OO' version of the shell script to learn about
wiring different modules together ... I find the official documentation
hard to navigate though.
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On 22/07/12 11:17, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Bergbahamutzero8...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/22/2012 3:37 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Many in
the Linux world seem to use git.
snip
Use source control now; you'll reap the benefits later!
from sudo apt-get
://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/index.htm
that looks like it could be worth reading
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-learning make. Enough already; but if there's a python plugin I
guess I'll get around to it eventually
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#just catch the error and continue
None
for c in range(lineCount):
t=l[c]
print(t[0], t[1], sep='\t', end='')
Thanks
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On 19/07/12 07:09, rusi wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:34 am, Steven D'Apranosteve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:40:00 +0100, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Object Oriented programming is all about encapsulating human concepts in
a way that makes sense to human beings. Make
On 18/07/12 01:46, Andrew Cooper wrote:
On 17/07/2012 19:36, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 19:18, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 18:29, Ethan Furman wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
snip
Take for example a Linux system call handler
looks like an interesting language and I will certainly spend
time getting to know it but at the moment it seems to me that calling it
an Object Oriented language is just plain misleading.
There, I've said it, trolls and flamers beware, I take no prisoners.
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On 18/07/12 16:09, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Lipska the Kat
lip...@lipskathekat.com wrote:
hmm, I've been using tabs ...
snip
We must meet half way, you know.
Seems reasonable to me, I'll let you suggest it ;-)
As to tab vs spaces: I'm a fan of tabs
On 18/07/12 16:32, Ethan Furman wrote:
Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 18/07/12 14:05, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Even with a break, why bother continuing through the body of the
function
when you already have the result? When your calculation is done, it's
done, just return for goodness sake. You
.
Is there a previous discussion in the group that I could read.
Many thanks
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On 17/07/12 10:30, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
Welcome!
Am 17.07.2012 10:45, schrieb Lipska the Kat:
I was expecting (hoping) to see in depth documentation relating to Class
construction, extension mechanisms and runtime polymorphism.
In addition to this forum for direct help and discussion, two
background.
more reading I guess.
snip
-- Devin
Thanks for your time and I'll try to do a bit better with the reading
thing before asking more questions... not sure about this obsession with
code indentation though :-|
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On 17/07/12 12:37, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/17/2012 6:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Anyway, I'm looking at Python as a rapid prototyping language.
snip
Pythonic is (or at least should be) a word you encounter frequently in
discussions of Python code. Learn what is considered Pythonic
On 17/07/12 09:45, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Pythoners
Python 2.7.3
Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS
I've been taking a brief look at Python.
snip
Well I've set myself a task.
I have a text file containing a list of stock items
each line contains the number in stock followed by a tab followed
On 17/07/12 12:37, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/17/2012 6:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
snip
On a side note, I would highly recommend learning Python 3 (3.2 is the
latest stable version) unless you have an explicit need for Python 2
(some major 3rd-party libraries have not been ported yet). Python
i'm sure there are interpreted languages that
allow pre-execution type checking ... aren't there ? Oh yes, there's one
called Java :-)
Still, I'm sure you're only kidding around with me :-)
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On 17/07/12 15:16, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/17/2012 9:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Wow, that was a blast from the past
Just downloaded, unzipped, untarred, configured, made and installed
python 3.2.3 ... it's YEARS since I've done this, makes me feel young again.
Most Linux distributions should
On 17/07/12 17:26, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 15:23, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 14:52, Roy Smith wrote:
snip
Still, I'm sure you're only kidding around with me :-)
Kidding around on a Python mailing list, never, how dare you Sir, simply
wouldn't be cricket
On 17/07/12 18:24, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 8:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 09:45, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Pythoners
Python 2.7.3
Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS
I've been taking a brief look at Python.
snip
Well I've set myself a task.
I have a text file containing a list
On 17/07/12 19:18, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 18:29, Ethan Furman wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Well 'type-bondage' is a strange way of thinking about compile time
type
checking and making code easier to read (and therefor debug
'type
On 17/07/12 18:07, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Well 'type-bondage' is a strange way of thinking about compile time type
checking and making code easier to read (and therefor debug
snip
How easy was it to write max, or a universal sort in Java?
Well
On 17/07/12 20:39, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 20:29, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 18:07, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
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How easy was it to write max, or a universal sort in Java?
Well java.lang.Math.max() (or min() depending on what you
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