On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Steven D'Aprano
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Python is a programming language. It can be used for scripting, but
that's not all it can do. Describing it as a scripting language is like
describing a fully-equipped professional kitchen as a left-over warming
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:11:51 -0700, sturlamolden wrote:
Yes. And because Python is a scripting language
Python is a programming language. It can be used for scripting, but
that's not all it can do. Describing it as a scripting language is
like describing a
I vote a strong yes! I went through a MIS major and learned java first.
This was a disaster for me typing these long nonsense lines (I didn't
understand how classes and their members worked). Next was C and we had
to use a command line and notepad to do all our programs. I really
didn't learn
Paul Rubin wrote:
Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've been learning a fair amount about functional programming
recently, mostly because compile-time C++ turns out to be a pure
functional programming language. Where should I go for a solid
grounding in lambda-calculus?
For PL theory
John Nagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What a mess. That's some professor inventing his very own variation on
predicate calculus and writing a book using his own notation and terminology.
I thought it was all pretty standard. It's the same notation I see in
other PL stuff.
There's no
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:15:00 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
That's some professor inventing his very own variation on predicate
calculus and writing a book using his own notation and terminology.
There's no sign of footnotes or references to prior work. The notation
doesn't seem to do anything not
On Mar 22, 5:40 pm, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and
On Mar 23, 8:14 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:15:00 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
That's some professor inventing his very own variation on predicate
calculus and writing a book using his own notation and terminology.
There's no sign of
On 2008-03-22, bsoist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
Thank you.
I for one can't
On Mar 22, 10:40 am, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, despite reassurances to the contrary, I still get the impression
that there is a strong anti-lambda sentiment among the Python in
crowd. Is it just a question of the word lambda, as opposed to
perceived cleaner syntax?
On Mar 23, 12:24 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
The problem with lambda is that too often it results in clutter (this is
a strictly made-up example off the top of my head for illustrative
purposes rather than any real code, but I've seen plenty of code similar
at various times):
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:24:35 -0700, Aahz wrote:
The problem with lambda is that too often it results in clutter (this is
a strictly made-up example off the top of my head for illustrative
purposes rather than any real code, but I've seen plenty of code similar
at various times):
Also, despite reassurances to the contrary, I still get the impression
that there is a strong anti-lambda sentiment among the Python in
crowd. Is it just a question of the word lambda, as opposed to
perceived cleaner syntax?
There is a fundamental disharmony in how functions and other
On Mar 23, 4:24 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, despite reassurances to the contrary, I still get the impression
that there is a strong anti-lambda sentiment among the Python in
crowd. Is it just a question of
On Mar 22, 6:40 pm, Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:51:34 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
On the other hand, when I do:
def torture():
woman.putInChair()
cushion.poke()
rack.turn()
I've also done two things. First, I've created a function object (i.e.
a lambda body), and I've also bound the name torture to
On 23 Mrz., 09:31, Arnaud Delobelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 23, 8:14 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:15:00 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
That's some professor inventing his very own variation on predicate
calculus and writing a
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:51:34 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
On the other hand, when I do:
def torture():
woman.putInChair()
cushion.poke()
rack.turn()
I've also done two things. First, I've created a function object (i.e.
a
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:36:35 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
I've also done two things. First, I've created a function object
(i.e. a lambda body), and I've also bound the name torture to that
function object, in much the same way I did with the list. But, it's
different. The function object
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
Thank you.
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On Mar 22, 1:40 pm, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
Linux and Python are a nearly
jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
I'm not from
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
Thank you.
ABSOLUTELY. Get
Larry Bates wrote:
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
Thank you.
On Mar 22, 3:48 pm, Arnaud Delobelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first
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Jeff Schwab wrote:
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience?
It's at least pretty good. It's not ideal, but nothing ever is.
What I mean is: it's the best
On Mar 22, 7:00 pm, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jmDesktop wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
Arnaud Delobelle wrote:
Anyway, here the conclusion that I draw: learn lambda-calculus and
Turing machines. The rest is syntactic sugar.
How is the lambda-calculus fundamentally different from Turing
machine-based implementations?
I've been learning a fair amount about functional
On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and
On Mar 22, 3:34 pm, bsoist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and
On Mar 22, 11:40 am, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and
On 22 Mar, 23:42, 7stud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beginning programmers in grades 9-12 are not going to understand
issues like that, and it would be a mistake to try and introduce
them. Beginning programmers should be concentrating their efforts on
learning the syntax of a language and basic
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:11:51 -0700, sturlamolden wrote:
On 22 Mar, 23:42, 7stud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beginning programmers in grades 9-12 are not going to understand issues
like that, and it would be a mistake to try and introduce them.
Beginning programmers should be concentrating
jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For students 9th - 12th grade, with at least Algebra I. Do you think
Python is a good first programming language for someone with zero
programming experience? Using Linux and Python for first exposure to
programming languages and principles.
I guess I
Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've been learning a fair amount about functional programming
recently, mostly because compile-time C++ turns out to be a pure
functional programming language. Where should I go for a solid
grounding in lambda-calculus?
For PL theory in general, try
On Mar 22, 11:29�pm, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:11:51 -0700, sturlamolden wrote:
On 22 Mar, 23:42, 7stud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beginning programmers in grades 9-12 are not going to understand issues
like that, and it would be a
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