On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Roy Smith wrote:
In article mailman.105.1357349909.2939.python-l...@python.org,
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
| Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently
| (21st century C). So what's the
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Hans Mulder han...@xs4all.nl writes:
Don't bother: Python comes with a free IDE named IDLE.
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Anssi Saari a...@sci.fi wrote:
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes:
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
candidates), and a terminal multiplexor
If you are going to review an IDE, or multiple, I would recommend Komodo and
Komodo Edit.
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:01:16 PM UTC-6, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes:
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
candidates), and a terminal multiplexor (such as ‘tmux’ or GNU
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
| Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently
| (21st century C). So what's the greatness that terminal multiplexors
| offer over tabbed terminals? Especially for software development?
Do you include tiling terminal emulators? I
In article mailman.105.1357349909.2939.python-l...@python.org,
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
| Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently
| (21st century C). So what's the greatness that terminal multiplexors
| offer
Wayne Werner wa...@waynewerner.com wrote:
Yep. That's how I feel. I had used ViEmu in Visual Studio for coding in .NET at
work - but I found that the buffers macros were more powerful. So now I do
most of my programming in Vim, and only head to VS if I need autocomplete or
some of it's
On 2012-12-30, Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net wrote:
Stick with what you've been using for the last couple of
decades. These tools have stood the test of time for a good
reason: they're powerful, efficient and made for the task of
programming.
There is a good Python plugin for Vim that
On 2012-12-29, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
emacs will parse that, highlight the filenames and line numbers
and if I type M-`, it'll take me to the line of the next error
(including opening the file if it's not already open).
I assume other smart editors have similar capabilities.
That's really a question for you - do you want the features of an IDE?
Aptana includes pydev, and is built on eclipse which is a great
swiss-army-knife IDE. If you like KISS, vim is an excellent choice. Go with
whichever you are more comfortable using.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Neil
On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times).
Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines
for me, the same result as d3enter. Another favorite command is d or
c followed by a number and then the right
On 01/02/2013 04:33 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times).
Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines
for me, the same result as d3enter. Another favorite command is
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times).
Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines
for me, the same result as d3enter. Another favorite command is d
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
That's true with Vim, as well, especially when I'm making a custom
mapping and I can NEVER remember what some combination does, even though
if I actually needed to use it, it pops right out, so to find out, I
have
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Ramchandra Apte wrote:
On Friday, 28 December 2012 01:31:16 UTC+5:30, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly
On 01/02/2013 10:17 PM, Wayne Werner wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
That's true with Vim, as well, especially when I'm making a custom
mapping and I can NEVER remember what some combination does, even though
if I actually needed to use
On 01Jan2013 03:46, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info
wrote:
| On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0500, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
| [...] For instance, if I need to change
| a block inside parens, I type ci) (stands for change inside parens),
| while with a regular editor I'd have to
On 01/01/13 04:12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I must admit I find Apple's help search box neat this way - you
can type a keyword is it will actually find the menu item for
you. Not that I use this for vi, of course...
If you've not used it, Vim's :helpgrep command provides full Vim
regexp power
On 12/31/2012 10:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0500, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
I think the general idea is that with editors like Vim you don't get
distracted by having to do some kind of an editor task, letting you keep
your full attention on the code logic. For
In article mailman.1528.1357065822.29569.python-l...@python.org,
Mitya Sirenef msire...@lightbird.net wrote:
Clunky is the last word I'd use to describe it (ok maybe for Emacs :-)
I probably remember about 200 commands, plus or minus, but a lot of them
fit into a consistent scheme which makes
On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
In article mailman.1528.1357065822.29569.python-l...@python.org,
Mitya Sirenef msire...@lightbird.net wrote:
Clunky is the last word I'd use to describe it (ok maybe for Emacs :-)
I probably remember about 200 commands, plus or minus, but a lot of
FWIW on the Windows platform the Zeus IDE has support for Python:
http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html
Zeus does the standard Python syntax highlighting, code completion, smart
indenting, class browsing, code folding etc.
Zeus also has limited Python debugger support and is fully scriptable
On Friday, 28 December 2012 01:31:16 UTC+5:30, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I
On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 12:01 -0800, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the
On 31/12/12 12:57:59, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 12:01 -0800, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu
Hans Mulder han...@xs4all.nl writes:
Don't bother: Python comes with a free IDE named IDLE.
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
candidates), and a terminal multiplexor (such as ‘tmux’ or
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Hans Mulder han...@xs4all.nl writes:
Don't bother: Python comes with a free IDE named IDLE.
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or
On Monday 2012 December 31 14:46, Ben Finney wrote:
“I bought some powdered water, but I don't know what to add.”
Suggest to Stephen Wright to add hot coffee.
--
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strainers.
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0500, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
I think the general idea is that with editors like Vim you don't get
distracted by having to do some kind of an editor task, letting you keep
your full attention on the code logic. For instance, if I need to change
a block inside
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:30:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
estate. But yes, vital to be able to see that. Even when I'm sitting
*right next to* my boss and
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:30:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
estate.
* Yuvraj Sharma aleast...@gmail.com [2012-12-28 01:37:23 -0800]:
Use IDLE
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The OP is already a proficient C, C++, perl, ... hacker using console based
tools and hardcore UNIX editors like vi(1) - I doubt he'll stay with IDLE for
very
On 12/27/2012 12:01 PM, mogul wrote:
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I
spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in...
so shaving a few seconds here and there are less important to me.
On 2012-12-27, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the
On 12/29/2012 12:44 PM, Monte Milanuk wrote:
Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I spend far more time
'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in... so shaving a
few seconds here and there are less important to me.
I think the general idea is
Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I
spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in...
If more professional programmers spent more time thinking and less
type typing, the world would be
On 12/29/2012 11:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
[regarding
Bracket matching
Language-sensitive auto-indentation
and automatically indents
Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring. And keyword highlighting.
And autocompletion of variable names.
I'll probably
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
[regarding
Bracket matching
Language-sensitive auto-indentation
and automatically indents
Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring. And keyword highlighting.
And autocompletion of
In article mailman.1446.1356816523.29569.python-l...@python.org,
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
Auto-complete is handy, but not critical.
You just wait until your finger joints get to be my age and tell me that
auto-complete isn't critical :-)
It's extremely handy; not only errors
On 12/29/2012 04:52 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
up one. Yeah there. On that line, why do you ...
with:
On line 647, why do you ...
It's even better when
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
In article mailman.1446.1356816523.29569.python-l...@python.org,
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
It's extremely handy; not only errors from
compilation/execution, but things like a 'git grep -n' fit too.
Emacs has
On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
up one. Yeah there. On that line, why do you ...
with:
On line 647, why do you ...
Absolutely! Though
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Mitya Sirenef msire...@lightbird.net wrote:
On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
up one. Yeah there. On that
* Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid [121229 10:02]:
On 2012-12-27, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tim Johnson t...@akwebsoft.com wrote:
Along the way, I did use emacs as well and ended doing quite a bit
of elisping.
elispsis. n. the intentional omission of unnecessary work which can be
inferred by the editor; often indicated with three consecutive
Use IDLE
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On 2012.12.28 00:51, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
The benefit of the tmux client (terminal multiplexer) is that I can see
all the screens at the same time and quickly switch between them. I
believe Linux has screen(1) which does the same thing.
tmux is generally easily available for Linux, and
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Berg bahamutzero8...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012.12.28 00:51, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
The benefit of the tmux client (terminal multiplexer) is that I can see
all the screens at the same time and quickly switch between them. I
believe Linux has screen(1)
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:
'Aloha!
Hello!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
You are already awesome,
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my
Le jeudi 27 décembre 2012 21:01:16 UTC+1, mogul a écrit :
'Aloha!
holà !
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
About same than me, though I had not to use/work with perl for new projects,
too much ide for python
PyCharm
PyDev(Eclipse)
Pyscripter
Sublime Text
TextMate UliPad
Vim
for beginner best choiceidle
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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 12:01:16PM -0800, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Westley Martínez aniko...@gmail.com wrote:
I only use vim for everything. IDEs just seem to get in my way.
I've just (like ten minutes ago) come across a perfect example of what
makes an IDE useful. My mother maintains a collection of documents
(book indexes,
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
vim, git,
Some would argue that vim is always good enough, especially with its plugin
system.
I bounce between vim and Sublime Text 2, and recently bought PyCharm went
it went on sale a week ago.
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I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Welcome to the club!
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or
On 12/27/2012 05:01 PM, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:01:16 -0800, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on
unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as
On 12/27/2012 3:01 PM, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:01:16 -0800, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on
unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as
On 12/27/12 14:01, mogul wrote:
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I
do, or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the
next 20 years too for me?
Coding Python (and before that C, Pascal, and even some VB in there)
using vi/vim has worked for about 10
On 12/27/2012 01:01 PM, mogul wrote:
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20
years too for me?
I've never ever used an IDE with Python. With Python I can code for an
hour in vim and it runs with
On 12/27/2012 02:25 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
Alas, one of the worst parts about programming in Python is that I
now find it hard to go back to any of the other languages that I
know. :-)
Amen. I find myself wishing for a python-like language for programming
Arduino boards.
--
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
vim,
On 27Dec2012 12:01, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:
| I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
| on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
|
| Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
|
| Do I really need a real IDE,
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:01 AM, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 years too for
me?
Welcome!
No, you don't *need* an IDE. Some people like them
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'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
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TommyVee x...@xx.xxx wrote:
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 years too for
me?
You'll do fine with vim (or emacs, or whatever).
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:01:16 -0800, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on
unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as
* mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com [2012-12-27 12:01:16 -0800]:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need
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