Re: OT: usenet reader software
Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com wrote: Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the headers. 8( Actually, here we have the reason why Usenet died. ... and the alternatives have the ability to filter/score based on the message body do they? :-) -- Chris Green · -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the headers. 8( Actually, here we have the reason why Usenet died. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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memilanuk memila...@gmail.com writes: I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird for a lng time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years, tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up back @ Thunderbird. About the only thing it doesn't do that I really want is scoring/kill-files. I always thought Thuderbird was a lost cause especially with News but it has some serious issues as a mail client too. Probably part of the reason why it never caught on and development stopped. Pretty good and nice to have a cross platform thing but they kept it an island, unable to sync contacts to anything else. Well, the Mac version could at least use the Mac addressbook but on Windows and Linux it's just WTF. Slrn has those, and I do use vim on occasion so that worked well enough... but when people *do* post links or html it didn't handle that stuff gracefully like Thunderbird. I don't really know about about html and slrn since I don't see much of it but links in a terminal application is usually something for the terminal to handle. I run Gnus on a remote machine and use a local terminal for display, Konsole in Linux and mintty in Windows. In both of those terminals URLs are opened with a right click on the link and selecting open link from the menu that pops up. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net writes: Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Well, here you are at URL: news:comp.lang.python, in the middle of all that noise. Besides, there's been a slight resurgence in comp.misc at least, apparently some people got angry about something at slashdot and wanted a more free forum, hence a bunch of posts there and some other groups recently. Other than that, I think most of the angry people and spammers have left Usenet alone. All the better for those of us who stick with it but I have to say the average age of people posting to comp.arch at least is probably over 60... The only younger people around seem to be the kids asking for people to do their homework. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Aye I found a couple of groups that are still active. Most of it seems to be a digital ghost town though. A bit sad, I was once actively involved in setting up the se. * hierarchy. /martin s On 22 Jul 2014, Anssi Saari a...@sci.fi wrote: Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net writes: Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Well, here you are at URL: news:comp.lang.python, in the middle of all that noise. Besides, there's been a slight resurgence in comp.misc at least, apparently some people got angry about something at slashdot and wanted a more free forum, hence a bunch of posts there and some other groups recently. Other than that, I think most of the angry people and spammers have left Usenet alone. All the better for those of us who stick with it but I have to say the average age of people posting to comp.arch at least is probably over 60... The only younger people around seem to be the kids asking for people to do their homework. -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing.-- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 7/22/2014 11:14 AM, Anssi Saari wrote: I don't really know about about html and slrn since I don't see much of it but links in a terminal application is usually something for the terminal to handle. I run Gnus on a remote machine and use a local terminal for display, Konsole in Linux and mintty in Windows. In both of those terminals URLs are opened with a right click on the link and selecting open link from the menu that pops up. That is correct and the way slrn works. You set browser and/or guibrowser options in .slrnrc. With those set, SHIFT-G will troll an open message for web addresses, and you use up and down arrow to select the link you want from the generated list. Then it launches the browser you configured. Getting the escaping, path, and syntax of the browser setting correct was a pain, but after that it worked great. That said, I got tired of the inability to display most special characters correctly (slrn could only do as well the cmd.exe), and have switched to Thunderbird. -- Neil Cerutti -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi stuffstorehouse2...@gmail.com wrote: Herion,,Actavis promethazine codeine 16oz and 32oz available Ketamine Oxycontine Hydrocodone xanax and medicated marijuana US- free shipping and other related products for sell at competitive prices.We do world wide shipping to any clear address.Delivery is 100% safe due to our discreetness and experience.Try our quality and experience then have a story to tell another day. Email Address:stuffstorehouse2014 (AT) gmail.com CONTACT NUMBER: (407)-4852249 * Pleas text me only Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the headers. 8( -- All right, breaks over. Back on your heads! ;) Reach me @ memilanuk at gmail dot com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi stuffstorehouse2...@gmail.com wrote: [drugs for sale] Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the headers. 8( slrn filtered that out just fine based on headers alone, thank you. So, I didn't see it at all until you quoted the whole thing. Here's the relevent slrn scoring rule: Score:: =- Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Did I say I was at a sardine? Or a bus??? gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-22, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi stuffstorehouse2...@gmail.com wrote: [drugs for sale] Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the headers. 8( slrn filtered that out just fine based on headers alone, thank you. So, I didn't see it at all until you quoted the whole thing. Here's the relevent slrn scoring rule: Score:: =- Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com True... but what if I don't want to be quite that elitist and black-ball every one posting via google groups? Some mailing lists I read via gmane *originate* on google groups (web2py list, for one). Other people posting from google groups are not malicious/trolls/jerks/spammers - and honestly until I started using slrn again, I didn't understand what all the fuss was about - gui news readers like Thunderbird handle the messages from there just fine. Maybe slrn needs an upgrade to gracefully handle html formatted messages - good bad or otherwise, they're pretty much here to stay, kind of like google groups. There are programs like lynx, elinks, etc. that can handle simple html via a cli program... so its not entirely beyond the realm of possibility. -- All right, breaks over. Back on your heads! ;) Reach me @ memilanuk at gmail dot com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Other people posting from google groups are not malicious/trolls/jerks/spammers - and honestly until I started using slrn again, I didn't understand what all the fuss was about - gui news readers like Thunderbird handle the messages from there just fine. Look at what happens when GG people reply to messages without explicitly fixing the quoted text. It comes out all double-spaced. That's not malice on their part, but eventually, some people just get sick of it and blacklist all those posts, because it's just not worth digging through the junk. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-07-22, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi stuffstorehouse2...@gmail.com wrote: [drugs for sale] Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the headers. 8( slrn filtered that out just fine based on headers alone, thank you. So, I didn't see it at all until you quoted the whole thing. Here's the relevent slrn scoring rule: Score:: =- Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com True... but what if I don't want to be quite that elitist and black-ball every one posting via google groups? Some mailing lists I read via gmane *originate* on google groups (web2py list, for one). There are one or two mailing lists that originate on GG, and I don't apply the rule to those lists. Other people posting from google groups are not malicious/trolls/jerks/spammers - True. But if they persist in posting via a well-known span-conduit that's also famous for various other breakages, then I don't see how they can be too surprised that not everybody sees their posts. I occasionally disable that rule, and it's never seemed like I was missing anything valuable. Maybe slrn needs an upgrade to gracefully handle html formatted messages - good bad or otherwise, they're pretty much here to stay, kind of like google groups. There are programs like lynx, elinks, etc. that can handle simple html via a cli program... so its not entirely beyond the realm of possibility. Even if they were nicely formatted, I'd still probably plonk GG posts just to avoid the garbage. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! An Italian is COMBING at his hair in suburban DES gmail.comMOINES! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com writes: c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. There are plenty of non-Thunderbird news clients... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I'm trying gnus again, and immediately see the beauty of it. Actually Usenet is fast and commercial free, and easier to secure from prying NSA etc al (?) so maybe it will receive a general revival eventually. /martin s On 21 Jul 2014, Paul Rudin paul.nos...@rudin.co.uk wrote: Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com writes: c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. There are plenty of non-Thunderbird news clients... -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing.-- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-21, Paul Rudin paul.nos...@rudin.co.uk wrote: Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com writes: c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. There are plenty of non-Thunderbird news clients... But relatively few GUI clients on Linux... which was what I was looking for. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-20, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Ctrl-X in Angband, Ah-HAH! I've been trying to remember what the name was of an old CLI game that I used to play via a dialup ssh connection (using PuTTY) to a Panix.com account (they ran on NetBSD). Screen was my friend due to dropped connections, and I eventually moved from pine/pico to mutt/slrn/vim/bitchx (though to be honest I never warmed up to mutt all that much) until I got a Mac (OS X) and then later started dual-booting my PCs with Linux. Angband was the name of the game I played back then... sweet! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Monte Milanuk memila...@invalid.com wrote: On 2014-07-20, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Ctrl-X in Angband, Ah-HAH! I've been trying to remember what the name was of an old CLI game that I used to play via a dialup ssh connection (using PuTTY) to a Panix.com account (they ran on NetBSD). Screen was my friend due to dropped connections, and I eventually moved from pine/pico to mutt/slrn/vim/bitchx (though to be honest I never warmed up to mutt all that much) until I got a Mac (OS X) and then later started dual-booting my PCs with Linux. Angband was the name of the game I played back then... sweet! Heh. I still have, sitting around, a modified Angband - which I did before I knew about source control, so it'd be a bit of a pain to try to rebase my changes onto a newer build. It has a whole lot of UI improvements, a new character class, a few new races (they're easy), a new gear slot, racial abilities, and a bunch of smaller features that don't come to mind right now. I should clean it up and throw it onto Github or something. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Well, here you are at URL: news:comp.lang.python, in the middle of all that noise. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Well, here you are at URL: news:comp.lang.python, in the middle of all that noise. Or at python-list@python.org - a lot of the newsgroup spam simply doesn't make it across the bridge. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Well, here you are at URL: news:comp.lang.python, in the middle of all that noise. Or at python-list@python.org - a lot of the newsgroup spam simply doesn't make it across the bridge. Spam? What spam? There's a lot of hot air but I have yet to encounter spam. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Well, here you are at URL: news:comp.lang.python, in the middle of all that noise. Or at python-list@python.org - a lot of the newsgroup spam simply doesn't make it across the bridge. Spam? What spam? There's a lot of hot air but I have yet to encounter spam. That means you have good filtering. There are several levels of spam filtering happening. Fortunately, they do a pretty good job of catching most of it; I occasionally see junk mail on the list, but most of it gets caught and discarded. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: There's a lot of hot air but I have yet to encounter spam. That means you have good filtering. Interesting. Who's filtering comp.lang.python? Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: There's a lot of hot air but I have yet to encounter spam. That means you have good filtering. Interesting. Who's filtering comp.lang.python? Possibly your provider, possibly your client, hard to say. But I'm pretty confident you do NOT see all the spam that goes through, because it's definitely there. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Interesting. Who's filtering comp.lang.python? Possibly your provider, possibly your client, hard to say. But I'm pretty confident you do NOT see all the spam that goes through, because it's definitely there. Well, anyway, spam is not a reason to avoid comp.lang.python. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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memilanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? If slrn was a maybe then there's also tin for text mode news readers, it's what I have always used. I don't know what it does with HTML as none of the groups I frequent ever have any HTML in them. It does add one 'GUIness' to its text mode, it's mouse aware so you can click on messages in a list to open them. -- Chris Green · -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com wrote: Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? leafnode That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. -- Chris Green · -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. news.gmane.org can be a convinient way to read mailing lists instead of getting tons of mail. Sturla -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. Sturla -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 19/07/2014 23:38, Sturla Molden wrote: c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. Sturla So what does clicking on Message-Create filter from message... do exactly? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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From what I've seen so far it's more like your limited standard mail filtering tool. IIRC when I used Usenet much gnus on Emacs had much more powerful capabilities. /martin s On 20 Jul 2014, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 19/07/2014 23:38, Sturla Molden wrote: c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. Sturla So what does clicking on Message-Create filter from message... do exactly? -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing.-- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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From what I've seen so far it's more like your limited standard mail filtering tool. IIRC when I used Usenet much gnus on Emacs had much more powerful capabilities. /martin s On 20 Jul 2014, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 19/07/2014 23:38, Sturla Molden wrote: c...@isbd.net wrote: That doesn't address the problem at all! :-) You still need a news reader. The problem was that Thunderbird does not support killfiles when used as a newsreader. Leafnode adds filtering capabilities which Thunderbird (supposedly) does not have. Sturla So what does clicking on Message-Create filter from message... do exactly? -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing.-- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-19, Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelm ed signal by a factor of something close to 542. Martin, Fair enough question. Seems like a lot of usenet groups have become spam-fests, and using it to d/l various binaries of questionable origin seems to be the major 'driving force' for a lot of people any more - for pure usenet. As others point out, you can filter the spam fairly easily with a good client program. You don't get (as much of) that kind of spam in forums, depending on the authentication process and the vigilance of the forum staff/moderators. I used to subscribe to a bunch of different Linux and programming-related mailing lists... some of which could run to several hundred messages per month *each*. Yeah, decent filters and storage can mute a lot of that, but not as effeciently as reading the groups via news.gmane.org which provides a mail2news gateway for a lot of mailing lists like this one. I don't have to receive or store all those messages anymore (most of which I skim the subject and then mark as read). That said, the irony that there seems to be a distinct *lack* of GUI usenet reader programs for Linux just kills me. Seems like its either Pan, or knode if you're into KDE. Otherwise... you get to go dredge up old CLI programs like this one (slrn). Works pretty well (better than I remember, actually) but still... having to exit the program and restart it to open a different server is *very* old-school :/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-07-19, c...@isbd.net c...@isbd.net wrote: memilanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? If slrn was a maybe then there's also tin for text mode news readers, it's what I have always used. I don't know what it does with HTML as none of the groups I frequent ever have any HTML in them. It does add one 'GUIness' to its text mode, it's mouse aware so you can click on messages in a list to open them. slrn does have that option as well... just needs turned on (its off by default) in the config file. I seem to recall it not working so hot... but I tried it on a link in a post last night and it worked like a peach. For whatever reason I never really tried tin (or trn). I might have to give them a whirl... though I must say that using slrn seems kind of like riding a bicycle... my fingers apparently remember more than my brain does ;) -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Monte Milanuk memila...@invalid.com wrote: That said, the irony that there seems to be a distinct *lack* of GUI usenet reader programs for Linux just kills me. Seems like its either Pan, or knode if you're into KDE. Otherwise... you get to go dredge up old CLI programs like this one (slrn). Works pretty well (better than I remember, actually) but still... having to exit the program and restart it to open a different server is *very* old-school :/ When I wanted to post a question to sci.math, I ended up with Xpn, which seems decent. Got it from the Debian Wheezy repo, so it's convenient to grab. Out of curiosity I just now went back there, found the thread I'd started (no new posts), and skimmed everything that had come in since then. What I'm seeing is: 1) Heaps of threads by one John Gabriel, which have in several cases been followed up with public service announcements saying CRANK ALERT. He seems to be the sci.math equivalent of either Ranting Rick or jmf... but worse than either by a significant margin. Seriously, he makes me happy about how well-off c.l.p is. 2) Other crank threads, boasting of how Newton is right and Einstein wrong, or something. I'm not sure if Archimedes Plutonium is an alias of John Gabriel or not, but I can't be bothered reading the threads to find out. 3) Straight-up spam about adwords, Islam is not a Religion of Extremism (which comes through to c.l.p too, and even crosses the boundary to python-list at times; I see some of that in my Gmail spam box), etc 4) A few homework problems, again similar to what we see here 5) About two threads, and this across roughly two and a half weeks, that are actually interesting and potentially useful. I might be overstating the problem a bit; a sci.math regular might read a bunch of them and find that a few more are useful than the ones that I picked out based on their subject lines. But certainly there is a LOT of spam there. Not as much as there is utter junk that isn't spam (ridiculous crank-posted rubbish outnumbers spam threads by probably 3:1 or more), but still a lot of spam. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Monte Milanuk memila...@invalid.com wrote: For whatever reason I never really tried tin (or trn). I might have to give them a whirl... though I must say that using slrn seems kind of like riding a bicycle... my fingers apparently remember more than my brain does ;) Heh, totally. I go back to an old game for some reason, and my fingers know exactly what the Quick Save key is. My brain knows that there are function keys for quick save and quick load in a lot of programs, but is never sure which is which (and it'd be pretty bad to hit the wrong one)... but my fingers always get it right. F1 and F4 for American McGee's Alice, and F9 and F10 for Captain Bible... F6 in CC Renegade (that one's easy, there's no quick load)... Ctrl-X in Angband, although that doesn't quite count... yep, my fingers know them a lot better than my brain does. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Given the ongoing hub-bub about Google Groups and some recent long threads where I *really* wanted to be able to mute/ignore certain individuals/subjects... I started looking into other choices for Usenet reader software again. I use news.gmane.org as a mail2news gateway for reading a lot of lists besides just this one, and gmane is about the most convenient way to do so without being bombarded by emails every day. I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird for a lng time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years, tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up back @ Thunderbird. About the only thing it doesn't do that I really want is scoring/kill-files. Slrn has those, and I do use vim on occasion so that worked well enough... but when people *do* post links or html it didn't handle that stuff gracefully like Thunderbird. Pan... locks up and crashes often enough to be annoying, and I can't get it to display 'Threads with Unread' (i.e. new unread posts *with* their associated threads for context) - just 'Unread' or 'everything'. Never messed with gnus... emacs was never really my thing. Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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memilanuk memila...@gmail.com: Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? I use GNUS under emacs for both news and mail. Its main selling point is that the same keyboard commands work for news, mail, Python, C, gdb, pdb, guile. IOW, there is one tool for typing and editing text. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
On 2014.07.18 14:10, memilanuk wrote: I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird for a lng time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years, tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up back @ Thunderbird. About the only thing it doesn't do that I really want is scoring/kill-files. Tools - Message Filters... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
On 07/18/2014 01:10 PM, memilanuk wrote: ... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? You've already tried them, but I bounce between Thunderbird and Pan. The former because it's integrated with the most of the rest of my messaging (mail, RSS); the latter for its great filtering. I too have had stability problems with Pan, but compiling from source fixed that for me. -- Warren Post https://warrenpost.wordpress.com/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:10:02 -0700, memilanuk wrote: Given the ongoing hub-bub about Google Groups and some recent long threads where I *really* wanted to be able to mute/ignore certain individuals/subjects... I started looking into other choices for Usenet reader software again. I use news.gmane.org as a mail2news gateway for reading a lot of lists besides just this one, and gmane is about the most convenient way to do so without being bombarded by emails every day. I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird for a lng time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years, tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up back @ Thunderbird. About the only thing it doesn't do that I really want is scoring/kill-files. Slrn has those, and I do use vim on occasion so that worked well enough... but when people *do* post links or html it didn't handle that stuff gracefully like Thunderbird. Pan... locks up and crashes often enough to be annoying, and I can't get it to display 'Threads with Unread' (i.e. new unread posts *with* their associated threads for context) - just 'Unread' or 'everything'. Never messed with gnus... emacs was never really my thing. Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? interesting apart from an issue i had with multiple postings (due to a setting change i made) I have never had any issues with pan -- Newman's Discovery: Your best dreams may not come true; fortunately, neither will your worst dreams. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? leafnode -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
On 07/18/2014 12:34 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.07.18 14:10, memilanuk wrote: I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird for a lng time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years, tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up back @ Thunderbird. About the only thing it doesn't do that I really want is scoring/kill-files. Tools - Message Filters... Yeah... never seems to work quite the same - or consistently. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
memilanuk memila...@gmail.com writes: Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? emacs/gnus. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
On 07/18/2014 01:46 PM, Sturla Molden wrote: Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing? leafnode Used leafnode way back when... correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves its a small news spool /server, not really a client/reader type application. Used to be popular back before slrnpull came about. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
memilanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Used leafnode way back when... correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves its a small news spool /server, not really a client/reader type application. Used to be popular back before slrnpull came about. Leafnode is an NNTP proxy server. It allows you to filter messages on headers, etc. Just run Leafnode and tell Thunderbird to use localhost as NNTP server. Whomever you plonk with Leafnode's killfilter will never be seen in Thunderbird. Sturla -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
On 07/18/2014 02:45 PM, Sturla Molden wrote: memilanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Used leafnode way back when... correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves its a small news spool /server, not really a client/reader type application. Used to be popular back before slrnpull came about. Leafnode is an NNTP proxy server. It allows you to filter messages on headers, etc. Just run Leafnode and tell Thunderbird to use localhost as NNTP server. Whomever you plonk with Leafnode's killfilter will never be seen in Thunderbird. Ah... I see. Guess I never explored that facet of leafnode's functionality. Thanks, Monte -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. (Just curiou) /martin s On 18 Jul 2014, memilanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/18/2014 02:45 PM, Sturla Molden wrote: memilanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Used leafnode way back when... correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves its a small news spool /server, not really a client/reader type application. Used to be popular back before slrnpull came about. Leafnode is an NNTP proxy server. It allows you to filter messages on headers, etc. Just run Leafnode and tell Thunderbird to use localhost as NNTP server. Whomever you plonk with Leafnode's killfilter will never be seen in Thunderbird. Ah... I see. Guess I never explored that facet of leafnode's functionality. Thanks, Monte -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing.-- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: usenet reader software
Martin S shieldf...@gmail.com writes: Is there a point to still use Usenet? Last time I checked noise overwhelmed signal by a factor of something close to 542. My experience is quite the opposite; Usenet discussions are far easier to filter for useful content than e.g. Google Groups. So that's a major reason for continuing to discuss on Usenet. -- \ “Of all classes the rich are the most noticed and the least | `\ studied.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, _The Age of Uncertainty_, | _o__) 1977 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
