J Kenneth King wrote:
In many contexts I'm sure there is reason to use Perl instead of Python
just as there are situations where C is more appropriate than either.
However, the mark of a poor programmer in my line of reasoning is one
who cannot recognize such distinctions.
One must be aware
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:55:19 -0500, J Kenneth King wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:44:29 -0500, J Kenneth King wrote:
A programmer that
lacks critical thinking is a bad
On 12/24/2009 12:11 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
This buggy idiom survived many years of Python development, missed by
virtually everyone.
The last statement is false. The hazard of using and/or was well-known
back in '97 or so when I discovered or learned it and I believe it was
mentioned in the
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:44:29 -0500, J Kenneth King wrote:
A programmer that
lacks critical thinking is a bad programmer. The language they use has
no bearing on such human facilities.
That's nonsense, and I can demonstrate it by
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:55:19 -0500, J Kenneth King wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:44:29 -0500, J Kenneth King wrote:
A programmer that
lacks critical thinking is a bad programmer. The language they use
has no bearing on such
Instead the accepted, idiomatic Python way of writing this was to use
short-circuit booleans:
result = condition and x or y
However this idiom is buggy! If x is a false-value (say, 0) then result
gets set to y no matter what the value of condition.
This is only a bug if one expects
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:11:25 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
Instead the accepted, idiomatic Python way of writing this was to use
short-circuit booleans:
result = condition and x or y
However this idiom is buggy! If x is a false-value (say, 0) then
result gets set to y no matter what the value
Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes:
On 12/17/2009 3:17 PM, J Kenneth King wrote:
A language is a thing. It may have syntax and semantics that bias it
towards the conventions and philosophies of its designers. But in the
end, a language by itself would have a hard time convincing a human
J Kenneth King wrote:
snipple
c) This has nothing to do with programming languages. A programmer that
lacks critical thinking is a bad programmer. The language they use has
no bearing on such human facilities.
The language may well have a bearing on the quality of the programs
generated
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:44:29 -0500, J Kenneth King wrote:
A programmer that
lacks critical thinking is a bad programmer. The language they use has
no bearing on such human facilities.
That's nonsense, and I can demonstrate it by reference to a single
programming language, namely Python.
On 12/17/2009 3:17 PM, J Kenneth King wrote:
A language is a thing. It may have syntax and semantics that bias it
towards the conventions and philosophies of its designers. But in the
end, a language by itself would have a hard time convincing a human
being to adopt bad practises.
Perhaps
On 2009-12-16, J Kenneth King ja...@agentultra.com wrote:
The language doesn't encourage anything. It's just a medium
like oil paints and canvas. A painting can be good or bad
despite the medium it is constructed on. The skill of the
painter is what matters.
Technically, oil paints do
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:20:21 -0500, Steve Holden wrote:
Simon Forman wrote:
[...]
As far as the OP rant goes, my $0.02: bad programmers will write bad
code in any language, with any tool or system or environment they're
given.
J Kenneth King wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:20:21 -0500, Steve Holden wrote:
snip
Hear, hear!
That's all very well, but some languages and techniques encourage the
programmer to write bad code.
That's just BS.
Bad code
r0g aioe@technicalbloke.com writes:
J Kenneth King wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:20:21 -0500, Steve Holden wrote:
snip
Hear, hear!
That's all very well, but some languages and techniques encourage the
programmer to write
Neil Cerutti ne...@norwich.edu writes:
On 2009-12-16, J Kenneth King ja...@agentultra.com wrote:
The language doesn't encourage anything. It's just a medium
like oil paints and canvas. A painting can be good or bad
despite the medium it is constructed on. The skill of the
painter is what
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mick Krippendorf mad.m...@gmx.de writes:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was I (hope!)
I read it somewhere once, I just can't find or even remember the source.
I definitely didn't make it up, though I wish I had.
I found exactly one google hit for it, which is this clpy
Simon Forman wrote:
[...]
As far as the OP rant goes, my $0.02: bad programmers will write bad
code in any language, with any tool or system or environment they're
given. If you want to avoid bad code there's (apparently) no
substitute for smrt programmers who are familiar with the tools
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:20:21 -0500, Steve Holden wrote:
Simon Forman wrote:
[...]
As far as the OP rant goes, my $0.02: bad programmers will write bad
code in any language, with any tool or system or environment they're
given. If you want to avoid bad code there's (apparently) no
Aaron Watters aaron.watt...@gmail.com writes:
On Oct 16, 10:35 am, mario ruggier mario.rugg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:25 pm, Aaron Watters aaron.watt...@gmail.com wrote:
Occasionally I fantasize about making a non-trivial change
to one of these programs, but I strongly resist going
On Oct 16, 10:35 am, mario ruggier mario.rugg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:25 pm, Aaron Watters aaron.watt...@gmail.com wrote:
Occasionally I fantasize about making a non-trivial change
to one of these programs, but I strongly resist going further
than that because the ORM meatgrinder
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 01:01 +0200, Mick Krippendorf wrote:
Maybe my English (and my memory) is just not so good. I'm german, and
here abnormal and anormal are both negations of normal, but with
a slight difference in meaning. anormal means just not normal,
whereas the meaning of abnormal is
Steve Holden wrote:
Many such designs make mistakes like using multiple columns
(or, even worse, comma-separated values) instead of many-to-many
relationships.
BTW, the comma-separted-values-in-a-field is officially called the First
Anormal Form. There *has to be* some value to it since I've
Mick Krippendorf wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
Many such designs make mistakes like using multiple columns
(or, even worse, comma-separated values) instead of many-to-many
relationships.
BTW, the comma-separted-values-in-a-field is officially called the First
Anormal Form. There *has to be*
Ethan Furman schrieb:
Mick Krippendorf wrote:
BTW, the comma-separted-values-in-a-field is officially called the First
Anormal Form. There *has to be* some value to it since I've seen it used
quite a few times...
Just because you've seen something, doesn't mean it has value; [...]
The
Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us writes:
BTW, the comma-separted-values-in-a-field is officially called the
First Anormal Form. There *has to be* some value to it since I've
seen it used quite a few times... Mick.
Just because you've seen something, doesn't mean it has value; just
Mick Krippendorf wrote:
Ethan Furman schrieb:
Mick Krippendorf wrote:
BTW, the comma-separted-values-in-a-field is officially called the First
Anormal Form. There *has to be* some value to it since I've seen it used
quite a few times...
Just because you've seen something, doesn't mean it
Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us writes:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was I (hope!)
It appears to be a made-up term.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Ethan Furman schrieb:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was [...]
This refers to the Normal Forms one goes through when normalizing
relational databases.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization#Normal_forms)
The First Anormal Form (FAN) means just lumpin' data together in a comma
Paul Rubin schrieb:
Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us writes:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was I (hope!)
It appears to be a made-up term.
I read it somewhere once, I just can't find or even remember the source.
I definitely didn't make it up, though I wish I had.
Mick.
--
Mick Krippendorf mad.m...@gmx.de writes:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was I (hope!)
I read it somewhere once, I just can't find or even remember the source.
I definitely didn't make it up, though I wish I had.
I found exactly one google hit for it, which is this clpy thread.
--
On 2009-10-15 16:37 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
Mick Krippendorfmad.m...@gmx.de writes:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was I (hope!)
I read it somewhere once, I just can't find or even remember the source.
I definitely didn't make it up, though I wish I had.
I found exactly one google hit for
Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com writes:
I believe he mistyped it. Try First Abnormal Form:
http://www.sqlmag.com/Article/ArticleID/21369/sql_server_21369.html
Ah, that makes sense. Article is subscriber-only but would seem to
explain the situation.
--
Mick Krippendorf mad.m...@gmx.de writes:
Paul Rubin schrieb:
Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us writes:
If I knew what First Anormal Form was I (hope!)
It appears to be a made-up term.
I read it somewhere once, I just can't find or even remember the
source. I definitely didn't make it
Ben Finney schrieb:
Mick Krippendorf mad.m...@gmx.de writes:
The word “anormal” appears to have been made up by you.
The negation of the word “normal” is “abnormal”, perhaps you meant
“First Abnormal Form”?
Maybe my English (and my memory) is just not so good. I'm german, and
here abnormal
On Oct 5, 7:25 am, Aaron Watters aaron.watt...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
RESOLVED: Using ORMs leads lazy programmers
to make bad database designs. It's better to
carefully design your database with no
Carl Banks a écrit :
On Oct 5, 7:25 am, Aaron Watters aaron.watt...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
RESOLVED: Using ORMs leads lazy programmers
to make bad database designs. It's better to
carefully design your
Diez B. Roggisch a écrit :
Aaron Watters schrieb:
(snip)
FOR EXAMPLE: Consider blogging. The most
successful blog software is WORDPRESS. Here
is the WordPress data model:
http://blog.kapish.co.in/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wp_2.7.png
(snip)
Now let's look at the Sakai Blogger tool data
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 5, 7:25 am, Aaron Watters aaron.watt...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
RESOLVED: Using ORMs leads lazy programmers
to make bad
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
RESOLVED: Using ORMs leads lazy programmers
to make bad database designs. It's better to
carefully design your database with no invisible
means of support and there is no reason to not
use SQL
Aaron Watters a écrit :
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
What I am mostly allergic to is manipulating sql queries as strings and
resultsets as lists of tuples. I strongly prefer a higher level
representation of both the queries
Aaron Watters schrieb:
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
RESOLVED: Using ORMs leads lazy programmers
to make bad database designs. It's better to
carefully design your database with no invisible
means of support and there is no
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Aaron Watters schrieb:
This is a bit off topic except that many Python
programmers seem to be allergic to typing SQL.
RESOLVED: Using ORMs leads lazy programmers
to make bad database designs. It's better to
carefully design your database with no invisible
means of
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes:
It seems to me that the biggest sin in databases is a failure to use
rigorous design techniques. If somebody doesn't understand relational
theory
Where does one find out about this? I've somehow managed to avoid
it for an awfully long time, but it
Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid writes:
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes:
It seems to me that the biggest sin in databases is a failure to use
rigorous design techniques. If somebody doesn't understand relational
theory
Where does one find out about this? I've somehow
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Paul Rubin
http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes:
It seems to me that the biggest sin in databases is a failure to use
rigorous design techniques. If somebody doesn't understand relational
theory
Where does one find out
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