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Re: Python web server weirdness SOLVED

[Gregory Ewing]

Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Never mind -- it turned out I had an "index.html" file in the directory 
which had been wget'ed from LiveJournal.


That's okay, then. The other possibility was that your computer
had been recruited into an evil botnet set up by LiveJournal
to create backup servers for their site...

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Re: Python web server weirdness

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:32:10 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> python3.5 -m http.server 8000
[...]


Thank you to everyone who responded, pointing out that I should check for 
an index.html file. That was exactly the problem.

And yes, I acknowledge that my original post was lacking in some 
necessary debugging detail. Mea culpa.



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Re: Python web server weirdness

[Tim Chase]

On 2018-06-07 13:32, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'm following the instructions here:
> 
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html
> 
> and running this from the command line as a regular unprivileged
> user:
> 
> python3.5 -m http.server 8000
> 
> What I expected was a directory listing of my current directory.
> 
> What I got was Livejournal's front page.

A couple things to check:

1) you don't mention which URL you pointed your browser at.  I
*presume* it was http://localhost:8000 but without confirmation, it's
hard to tell.  Also, you don't mention if you had anything in the
{path} portion of the URL such as
"http://localhost:8000/livejournal_homepage.html;

2) you don't mention whether your command succeeded with "Serving
HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000" or if it failed because perhaps something
else was listening on that port ("OSError: [Errno 98] Address already
in use").

3) when your browser made the request to that localhost URL, did that
command produce output logging the incoming requests?

4) do you have any funky redirection for localhost in your /etc/hosts
file (or corresponding file location on Windows)

-tkc



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Re: Python web server weirdness

[Ed Kellett]

On 2018-06-07 14:32, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'm following the instructions here:
> 
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html
> 
> 
> and running this from the command line as a regular unprivileged user:
> 
> python3.5 -m http.server 8000
> 
> What I expected was a directory listing of my current directory.
> 
> What I got was Livejournal's front page.
> 
> W.T.F.???
> 
> 

Do you have LiveJournal's index.html in your current directory?



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Re: Python web server weirdness SOLVED

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:32:10 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

[...]
> python3.5 -m http.server 8000
> 
> What I expected was a directory listing of my current directory.
> 
> What I got was Livejournal's front page.

Never mind -- it turned out I had an "index.html" file in the directory 
which had been wget'ed from LiveJournal. When I deleted that, it worked 
as expected.




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Re: Python web server weirdness

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-06-07, Steven D'Aprano  wrote:
> I'm following the instructions here:
>
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html
>
>
> and running this from the command line as a regular unprivileged user:
>
> python3.5 -m http.server 8000
>
> What I expected was a directory listing of my current directory.
>
> What I got was Livejournal's front page.

That's very odd. What I get is the message below:

$ python3.5 -m http.server 8000
Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000 ...

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Re: Python web server weirdness

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-06-07, Steven D'Aprano  wrote:
> I'm following the instructions here:
>
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html
>
>
> and running this from the command line as a regular unprivileged user:
>
> python3.5 -m http.server 8000
>
> What I expected was a directory listing of my current directory.
>
> What I got was Livejournal's front page.

Looking into the crystal ball and guessing that "got" means you
pointed a browser at "http://localhost:8000/;...

Do you have a file named "index.html" in your home directory?

https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html

  If the request was mapped to a directory, the directory is checked
  for a file named index.html or index.htm (in that order). If found,
  the file’s contents are returned;

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Python web server weirdness

[Steven D'Aprano]

I'm following the instructions here:

https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html


and running this from the command line as a regular unprivileged user:

python3.5 -m http.server 8000

What I expected was a directory listing of my current directory.

What I got was Livejournal's front page.

W.T.F.???


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Re: Python Web Scrapping : Within href readonly those value that have href in it

[Jesse Alama]

To complement what Peter wrote: I'd approach this problem using
XPath. XPath is a query language for XML/HTML documents; it's a great
tool to have in your web scraping toolbox (among other tasks). With
Python's excellent lxml library you can do some XPath processing. Here's
how I might tackle this problem:

== [ scrape.py ] ==

from lxml import etree

# ...somehow get HTML/XML into the variable xml

root = etree.HTML(xml)

hrefs = root.xpath("//a[@href and starts-with(@href, 'http://')]/@href")

# magic =>  ^^

print(hrefs) # if you want to see what this looks like

== [ end scrape.py ] ==

The argument to the xpath method here is an XPath expression.  The
overall form is:

//a[.]/@href

The '//a' at the beginning means: starting at the root node of the
document, find all a (anchor) elements that match the condition
specified by ".".  The '/@href' at the end means: give me the href
attribute of the nodes (if any) that remain.

Looking inside the square brackets (what's known as the predicate in the
XPath world), we find

@href and starts-with(@href, 'http://')

The 'and' bit should be clear (there are two conditions that need to be
checked).  The first part says: the a element should have an href
attribute.  The second part says that the value of the href element had
better start with 'http://'.

In fact, we could simplify the predicate to

  starts-with(@href, 'http://')

If an element does not even have an href attribute, its value does not
start with 'http://'. It's not an error, and no exception will be
thrown, when the XPath evaluator applies the starts-with function to an
a element that does not have an href attribute.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Jesse

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Re: Python Web Scrapping : Within href readonly those value that have href in it

[Peter Otten]

shahs...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am trying to scrape a webpage just for learning. In that webpage there
> are multiple "a" tags. consider the below code
> 
>  Something 
> 
>  Something

These are probaly all forward slashes.

> Now i want to read only those href in which there is http. My Current code
> is
> 
> for link in soup.find_all("a"):
> print link.get("href")
> 
> i would like to change it to read only http links.

You mean href values that start with "http://;?
While you can do that with a callback

def check_scheme(href):
return href is not None and href.startswith("http://;)

for a in soup.find_all("a", href=check_scheme):
print(a["href"])

or a regular expression

import re

for a in soup.find_all("a", href=re.compile("^http://;)):
print(a["href"])

why not keep things simple and check before printing? Like

for a in soup.find_all("a"):
href = a.get("href", "") # empty string if href is missing
if href.startswith("http://;):
print(href)


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Python Web Scrapping : Within href readonly those value that have href in it

[shahsn11]

I am trying to scrape a webpage just for learning. In that webpage there are 
multiple "a" tags. consider the below code

 Something 

 Something


Now i want to read only those href in which there is http. My Current code is

for link in soup.find_all("a"):
print link.get("href")

i would like to change it to read only http links.
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Django (Python Web Framework) Tutorial

[Cai Gengyang]

So I am using Mac OS X Yosemite Version 10.10.2, going through the django 
tutorial : https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/intro/tutorial01/ and learning 
to use it. Am currently on the 2nd chapter "Creating a Project" and got a 
question to ask :

This is the series of steps I took to reach this point :

A) I created a folder called "Weiqi" in my home directory. (named after the 
game I am best at!)

B) Then I typed the command $ cd Weiqi in the "Terminal"

CaiGengYangs-MacBook-Pro:~ CaiGengYang$ cd Weiqi --- input

and got this output :

CaiGengYangs-MacBook-Pro:Weiqi CaiGengYang$ --- output

C) Then I ran the following command in the Terminal : $ django-admin 
startproject mysite.
This created a mysite folder which appeared inside the original Weiqi folder in 
my home directory.
When I clicked on the mysite folder, there is a manage.py file and another 
mysite folder inside the original mysite folder.
When I click on the mysite folder, there are 4 files in it : __init__.py , 
settings.py , urls.py and wsgi.py.

D) The next chapter of the tutorial says this :
"Where should this code live?
If your background is in plain old PHP (with no use of modern frameworks), 
you're probably used to putting code under the Web server's document root (in a 
place such as /var/www). With Django, you don't do that. It's not a good idea 
to put any of this Python code within your Web server's document root, because 
it risks the possibility that people may be able to view your code over the 
Web. That's not good for security.
Put your code in some directory outside of the document root, such as 
/home/mycode."

Question : I am a little confused about the last paragraph : What exactly is a 
"directory outside of the document root, such as /home/mycode." and how do you 
"Put your code in this directory" ?

Thanks a lot !

Appreciate it

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Re: Django (Python Web Framework) Tutorial

[Cai Gengyang]

On Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 11:46:13 AM UTC+8, John Gordon wrote:
> In <1421a34f-d8cc-4367-adab-2c2b46504...@googlegroups.com> Cai Gengyang 
>  writes:
> 
> > Question : I am a little confused about the last paragraph : What exactly
> > is a "directory outside of the document root, such as /home/mycode." and
> > how do you "Put your code in this directory" ?
> 
> Django is a web application framework.  So, you have to use it together with
> a web server.  The "document root" is the directory where the web server
> expects to find files to be served as web pages.
> 
> You said you put the Django project code in a subdirectory of your home
> directory.  That should be fine.
> 
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Ok.

As for the next chapter(Database setup), I opened up mysite/settings.py as per 
the instructions on the Django tutorial.

However, when I try to run the following command : $ python manage.py migrate 
to create the tables in the database,

CaiGengYangs-MacBook-Pro:Weiqi CaiGengYang$ python manage.py migrate  input

I get the following error message :

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python:
 can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory  output

Any idea how to solve this issue?

Thanks a lot !

Gengyang
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Re: Django (Python Web Framework) Tutorial

[John Gordon]

In <1421a34f-d8cc-4367-adab-2c2b46504...@googlegroups.com> Cai Gengyang 
 writes:

> Question : I am a little confused about the last paragraph : What exactly
> is a "directory outside of the document root, such as /home/mycode." and
> how do you "Put your code in this directory" ?

Django is a web application framework.  So, you have to use it together with
a web server.  The "document root" is the directory where the web server
expects to find files to be served as web pages.

You said you put the Django project code in a subdirectory of your home
directory.  That should be fine.

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How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

[subhabrata . banerji]

Dear Group,

I am slightly new in Python Web Frameworks. I could learn bit of Django, Flask 
and Bottle. 
But I am looking for a good web based tutorial like Python or NLTK. 
Somehow, I did not find documentations for web frameworks are very good, one 
has to do lot of experiments even to learn basic things.
 
I am looking for a good book like Dive into Python or some good web based 
tutorials. 

I tried to search but unfortunately could not find. 

I am using Python2.7+ on Windows 7. 

If any one of the members may kindly suggest.

Regards,
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Re: How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

[Laura Creighton]

web2py http://www.web2py.com/
has extensive tutorials, videos, and a book.

Laura

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Re: How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

[Nonami Animashaun]

The official Django docs is pretty detailed
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/

You could also look at the Django book but it confesses to being written
for version 1.4 even though it goes ahead to assure us that it's not
outdated
https://django-book.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
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Re: How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

[darnold via Python-list]

you'll find a very extensive Flask tutorial at 
http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world .
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Re: emacs for python web development

[Sayth]

Thanks, got the python bit down is just the Web for flask and django. Getting 
the templates and snippets to work in a good flow is where I am looking for 
advice. 

Cheers

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emacs for python web development

[Sayth]

Has anyone got a good configuration or advice for setting up a good python web 
development environment in emacs?

Sayth
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Re: emacs for python web development

[Ben Finney]

Sayth flebber.c...@gmail.com writes:

 Has anyone got a good configuration or advice for setting up a good
 python web development environment in emacs?

You can start at the Python Wiki page on Emacs as an editor
URL:https://wiki.python.org/moin/EmacsEditor.

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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Vimal Rughani]

On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 13:55:24 UTC+5:30, Vimal Rughani  wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 
 
 Greetings !
 
 
 
 I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on python. 
 Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP, but after working 
 bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my requirement. So I decided to create 
 my own python based web framework for ERP. Can you please suggest me better 
 book / video / resources / content which help me to build proper web 
 framework for ERP.
 
 
 
 Thanks

Thanks to all for your kind support. I looking into different suggestions given 
by you. Thanks again for your time
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How to create python web framework for ERP

[Vimal Rughani]

Hi All,

Greetings !

I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on python. 
Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP, but after working 
bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my requirement. So I decided to create 
my own python based web framework for ERP. Can you please suggest me better 
book / video / resources / content which help me to build proper web framework 
for ERP.

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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Stéphane Wirtel]

On 9 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Vimal Rughani wrote:


Hi All,

Greetings !

I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on 
python. Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP, 
but after working bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my 
requirement. So I decided to create my own python based web framework 
for ERP. Can you please suggest me better book / video / resources / 
content which help me to build proper web framework for ERP.


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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Vimal Rughani]

On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:09:48 UTC+5:30, Stéphane Wirtel  wrote:
 On 9 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Vimal Rughani wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi All,
 
 
 
  Greetings !
 
 
 
  I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on 
 
  python. Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP, 
 
  but after working bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my 
 
  requirement. So I decided to create my own python based web framework 
 
  for ERP. Can you please suggest me better book / video / resources / 
 
  content which help me to build proper web framework for ERP.
 
 
 
  Thanks
 
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 Use Odoo.
 
 
 
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Thanks Stéphane, for your suggestion. I know about Odoo and Odoo is good choice 
for domain related to Business. I am developing solution for Education / 
schools / colleges. Requirements are bit complex so I want to have own 
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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Adam Nešpůrek]

I would say you can still use Django. See django-oscar for instance, it is
'ecommerce framework', based od Django. I would highly recommend to stick
around Django, because of its huge ecosystem. You can still add/write some
missing parts yourself.

Can you be more specific, why Django does not suit your needs?

2014-09-09 12:06 GMT+02:00 Vimal Rughani vimal.rugh...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:09:48 UTC+5:30, Stéphane Wirtel  wrote:
  On 9 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Vimal Rughani wrote:
 
 
 
   Hi All,
 
  
 
   Greetings !
 
  
 
   I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on
 
   python. Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP,
 
   but after working bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my
 
   requirement. So I decided to create my own python based web framework
 
   for ERP. Can you please suggest me better book / video / resources /
 
   content which help me to build proper web framework for ERP.
 
  
 
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  Use Odoo.
 
 
 
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 Thanks Stéphane, for your suggestion. I know about Odoo and Odoo is good
 choice for domain related to Business. I am developing solution for
 Education / schools / colleges. Requirements are bit complex so I want to
 have own framework.
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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Matteo Boscolo]

Use the only odoo framework.. without addons .. will be the best choice 
.. do not reinvent the whell
if you do not need web interface, you can have a look at 
http://www.tryton.org/


otherwise you could have flask for the top of flexibility

regards,
Matteo


Il 09/09/2014 12:06, Vimal Rughani ha scritto:

On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:09:48 UTC+5:30, Stéphane Wirtel  wrote:

On 9 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Vimal Rughani wrote:




Hi All,
Greetings !
I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on
python. Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP,
but after working bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my
requirement. So I decided to create my own python based web framework
for ERP. Can you please suggest me better book / video / resources /
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for domain related to Business. I am developing solution for Education / 
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framework.


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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[thequietcenter]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 6:53:37 AM UTC-4, Adam Nešpůrek wrote:
  I would highly recommend to stick around Django, because of its huge 
 ecosystem.

Django's ORM layer does not perform intelligent object creation does it? It 
naively creates two instances for the same row and does not handle commits 
gracefully, often resulting in stale object errors?

it's been awhile since I used it. But I think SQLAlchemy has solved all the 
problems the Django ORM has not and can't solve?
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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Andre Duarte]

Vimal,

Django is a more generic framework(was built initialy for content management). 
Odoo is a valid sugestion but take some time to see Frappe.io. ERPNext was 
built on top of this framework and is a great application for small bussiness.

[]'s
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Re: How to create python web framework for ERP

[Gerd Niemetz]

Am Dienstag, 9. September 2014 10:25:24 UTC+2 schrieb Vimal Rughani:
 Hi All,
 
 
 
 Greetings !
 
 
 
 I am bit familiar with Django and Python. I want to create ERP on python. 
 Initially I feel Django will be good option for My Own ERP, but after working 
 bit on that I feel it doesn't fit with my requirement. So I decided to create 
 my own python based web framework for ERP. Can you please suggest me better 
 book / video / resources / content which help me to build proper web 
 framework for ERP.
 
 
 
 Thanks

Take a look at www.web2py.com
Actively developed and a great community here at google groups - 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/web2py

best regards
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Gunstar - Another python web framework.

[Allisson Azevedo]

It's a recent project, check this out: http://github.com/allisson/gunstar

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Re: Best python web framework to build university/academic website

[bryanjugglercryptographer]

b.kris...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got a chance to build an university website, within very short period of 
 time.
 I know web2py, little bit of Django, so please suggest me the best to build 
 rapidly.

Web2py rocks like nothing else for getting up fast. If you already know it, 
problem solved.

That said, Django has more available production-quality (free) utility apps. 
You might might want to check whether someone else has already done your work 
for you.

I'm leaning toward Django because it's ahead of Web2py in Python 3 support.

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Best python web framework to build university/academic website

[b . krishna2020]

Hi,

I got a chance to build an university website, within very short period of time.
I know web2py, little bit of Django, so please suggest me the best to build 
rapidly.

Thanks in advance

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Authomatic - New Authorization / Authentication Client Package for Python WEB Applications

[Peter Hudec]

Hi there,

I would like to introduce Authomatic, an authorization / authentication client 
library for Python WEB applications.

project home: http://peterhudec.github.io/authomatic
code: https://github.com/peterhudec/authomatic
live demo: http://authomatic-example.appspot.com/

Features:

* Loosely coupled.
* Tiny but powerfull interface.
* The python-openid library is the only optional dependency.
* CSRF protection.
* Framework agnostic thanks to adapters.
* Ready to accommodate future authorization/authentication protocols.
* Makes calls to provider APIs a breeze.
* Supports asynchronous requests.
* JavaScript library as a bonus.
* Out of the box support for:
* Authorization with 10 OAuth 1.0a providers
* Authorization with 16 OAuth 2.0 providers
* python-openid and Google App Engine based OpenID authentication.

It's my first Python project, so feedback of any kind is very welcome.

Use and enjoy

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Re: Screencast: Creating and deploying an advanced python web application in under 15 minutes!

[timothy crosley]

I apologize for the audio from the original screen cast, it was really sub-par. 
I bought a new microphone and re-recorded it: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8TsmrZPLgfeature=youtu.be

Thanks!

Timothy

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:54:15 AM UTC-4, timothy crosley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 
 
 I've created a screen cast showing how a message board with live-validation 
 and Ajax calls written in python can be built and deployed in under 15 
 minutes. You can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucougrZK9wI
 
 
 
 I hope some of you find it useful,
 
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 
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Re: Screencast: Creating and deploying an advanced python web application in under 15 minutes!

[Karim]

On 29/03/2013 14:53, timothy crosley wrote:

I apologize for the audio from the original screen cast, it was really sub-par. I 
bought a new microphone and re-recorded it: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8TsmrZPLgfeature=youtu.be

Thanks!

Timothy

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:54:15 AM UTC-4, timothy crosley wrote:

Hi,



I've created a screen cast showing how a message board with live-validation and 
Ajax calls written in python can be built and deployed in under 15 minutes. You 
can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucougrZK9wI



I hope some of you find it useful,



Thanks!



Timothy

Hi Timothy,

Very interesting!

Thx a lot!
Cheers
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Re: Screencast: Creating and deploying an advanced python web application in under 15 minutes!

[timothy crosley]

Thanks Karim!

On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:41 AM UTC-4, Karim wrote:
 On 29/03/2013 14:53, timothy crosley wrote:
 
  I apologize for the audio from the original screen cast, it was really 
  sub-par. I bought a new microphone and re-recorded it: 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8TsmrZPLgfeature=youtu.be
 
 
 
  Thanks!
 
 
 
  Timothy
 
 
 
  On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:54:15 AM UTC-4, timothy crosley wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  I've created a screen cast showing how a message board with 
  live-validation and Ajax calls written in python can be built and deployed 
  in under 15 minutes. You can view it here: 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucougrZK9wI
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  I hope some of you find it useful,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Thanks!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Timothy
 
 Hi Timothy,
 
 
 
 Very interesting!
 
 
 
 Thx a lot!
 
 Cheers
 
 Karim

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Screencast: Creating and deploying an advanced python web application in under 15 minutes!

[timothy crosley]

Hi,

I've created a screen cast showing how a message board with live-validation and 
Ajax calls written in python can be built and deployed in under 15 minutes. You 
can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucougrZK9wI

I hope some of you find it useful,

Thanks!

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Re: Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Steve Petrie]

On Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:42:42 AM UTC-5, Kev Dwyer wrote:
 Steve Petrie wrote:
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:32:40 AM UTC-5, Kev Dwyer wrote:
 
  Hello List,
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  I have to build a simple web service which will:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   - receive queries from our other servers
 
  
 
   - forward the requests to a third party SOAP service
 
  
 
   - process the response from the third party
 
  
 
   - send the result back to the original requester
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  From the point of view of the requester, this will happen within the
 
  scope
 
  
 
  of a single request.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  The data exchanged with the original requester will likely be encoded as
 
  
 
  JSON; the SOAP service will be handled by SUDS.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  The load is likely to be quite light, say a few requests per hour, though
 
  
 
  this may increase in the future.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Given these requirements, what do you think might be a suitable software
 
  
 
  stack, i.e. webserver and web framework (if a web framework is even
 
  
 
  necessary)?
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Candidates should be compatible with Python2.7, though I'd be happy to
 
  
 
  consider Python 3 if anyone knows of a Python3 SOAP library that has good
 
  
 
  WSDL support.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Cheers,
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Kev
 
  
 
  I'm using the Bottle web framework (http://bottlepy.org) to integrate
 
  requests and replies originating in a Drupal site, a Beanstream (payment
 
  processor) account, and a Salesforce instance.
 
  
 
  Communication with Salesforce is done through the Salesforce Python
 
  Toolkit (http://code.google.com/p/salesforce-python-toolkit/), which uses
 
  Suds.
 
  
 
  Communication with the Drupal site uses Python's (and PHP's on the Drupal
 
  side) native JSON support.
 
  
 
  This is under Python 2.6.8 and Apache 2.2.23 running on an AWS EC2
 
  instance.
 
  
 
  No (major) problems so far, though still in the early stages of this
 
  project.
 
  
 
  Steve
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  I chose Bottle after trying a few other frameworks because, well, I can't
 
  remember exactly why, though thinking back it's probably because of the
 
  clarity of Bottle's approach and the simplicity of the documentation.
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello Steve,
 
 
 
 Thanks for  your comment.
 
 
 
 I'm curious, did you consider any web servers other than Apache? 
 
 
 
 Kev

You're telling me that there are other web servers? ;)

I didn't try any others seriously, no.  My experience is with Apache and IIS, 
and I try to stay away from Windows.

I should mention, given Dieter Maurer's comment, that Bottle is a (fairly thin) 
layer built over WSGI.  I've built applications directly over WSGI as well; 
that's another way to go, it's quite straightforward.  mod_python is no longer 
supported: 
http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2010/05/modpython-project-soon-to-be-officially.html.
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Re: Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Kev Dwyer]

Steve Petrie wrote:

 On Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:42:42 AM UTC-5, Kev Dwyer wrote:
 Steve Petrie wrote:
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:32:40 AM UTC-5, Kev Dwyer wrote:
 
  Hello List,
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  I have to build a simple web service which will:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   - receive queries from our other servers
 
  
 
   - forward the requests to a third party SOAP service
 
  
 
   - process the response from the third party
 
  
 
   - send the result back to the original requester
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  From the point of view of the requester, this will happen within the
 
  scope
 
  
 
  of a single request.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  The data exchanged with the original requester will likely be encoded
  as
 
  
 
  JSON; the SOAP service will be handled by SUDS.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  The load is likely to be quite light, say a few requests per hour,
  though
 
  
 
  this may increase in the future.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Given these requirements, what do you think might be a suitable
  software
 
  
 
  stack, i.e. webserver and web framework (if a web framework is even
 
  
 
  necessary)?
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Candidates should be compatible with Python2.7, though I'd be happy to
 
  
 
  consider Python 3 if anyone knows of a Python3 SOAP library that has
  good
 
  
 
  WSDL support.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Cheers,
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Kev
 
  
 
  I'm using the Bottle web framework (http://bottlepy.org) to integrate
 
  requests and replies originating in a Drupal site, a Beanstream
  (payment
 
  processor) account, and a Salesforce instance.
 
  
 
  Communication with Salesforce is done through the Salesforce Python
 
  Toolkit (http://code.google.com/p/salesforce-python-toolkit/), which
  uses
 
  Suds.
 
  
 
  Communication with the Drupal site uses Python's (and PHP's on the
  Drupal
 
  side) native JSON support.
 
  
 
  This is under Python 2.6.8 and Apache 2.2.23 running on an AWS EC2
 
  instance.
 
  
 
  No (major) problems so far, though still in the early stages of this
 
  project.
 
  
 
  Steve
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  I chose Bottle after trying a few other frameworks because, well, I
  can't
 
  remember exactly why, though thinking back it's probably because of the
 
  clarity of Bottle's approach and the simplicity of the documentation.
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello Steve,
 
 
 
 Thanks for  your comment.
 
 
 
 I'm curious, did you consider any web servers other than Apache?
 
 
 
 Kev
 
 You're telling me that there are other web servers? ;)
 
 I didn't try any others seriously, no.  My experience is with Apache and
 IIS, and I try to stay away from Windows.
 
 I should mention, given Dieter Maurer's comment, that Bottle is a (fairly
 thin) layer built over WSGI.  I've built applications directly over WSGI
 as well; that's another way to go, it's quite straightforward.  mod_python
 is no longer supported:
 http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2010/05/modpython-project-soon-to-be-
officially.html.


Based on Dieter's comment I'm using Bottle as a framework, with gunicorn 
(behind nginx) as the webserver.  Even Bottle is probably overkill for my 
use case, but my time is rather limited, so I'm happy to use an off the 
shelf solution.  And I must say, configuring gunicorn and nginx contrasted 
pleasantly with my memories of struggling with httpd.conf :)



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Re: Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Kev Dwyer]

Dieter Maurer wrote:

snip
 
 From your description (so far), you would not need a web framework
 but could use any way to integrate Python scripts into a web server,
 e.g. mod_python, cgi, WSGI, 
 Check what ways your web server will suport.

Hello Dieter

Thanks for your comment.  I certainly want a lightweight solution so 
CGI or one of the micro-frameworks are what I am considering. 

Cheers

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Re: Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Steve Petrie]

On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:32:40 AM UTC-5, Kev Dwyer wrote:
 Hello List,
 
 
 
 I have to build a simple web service which will:
 
 
 
  - receive queries from our other servers
 
  - forward the requests to a third party SOAP service
 
  - process the response from the third party
 
  - send the result back to the original requester
 
 
 
 From the point of view of the requester, this will happen within the scope 
 
 of a single request.  
 
 
 
 The data exchanged with the original requester will likely be encoded as 
 
 JSON; the SOAP service will be handled by SUDS.
 
 
 
 The load is likely to be quite light, say a few requests per hour, though 
 
 this may increase in the future.
 
 
 
 Given these requirements, what do you think might be a suitable software 
 
 stack, i.e. webserver and web framework (if a web framework is even 
 
 necessary)?  
 
 
 
 Candidates should be compatible with Python2.7, though I'd be happy to 
 
 consider Python 3 if anyone knows of a Python3 SOAP library that has good 
 
 WSDL support.
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
 Kev

I'm using the Bottle web framework (http://bottlepy.org) to integrate requests 
and replies originating in a Drupal site, a Beanstream (payment processor) 
account, and a Salesforce instance.

Communication with Salesforce is done through the Salesforce Python Toolkit 
(http://code.google.com/p/salesforce-python-toolkit/), which uses Suds.

Communication with the Drupal site uses Python's (and PHP's on the Drupal side) 
native JSON support.

This is under Python 2.6.8 and Apache 2.2.23 running on an AWS EC2 instance.

No (major) problems so far, though still in the early stages of this project.

Steve



I chose Bottle after trying a few other frameworks because, well, I can't 
remember exactly why, though thinking back it's probably because of the clarity 
of Bottle's approach and the simplicity of the documentation.
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Re: Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Dieter Maurer]

Kev Dwyer kevin.p.dw...@gmail.com writes:

 I have to build a simple web service which will:

  - receive queries from our other servers
  - forward the requests to a third party SOAP service
  - process the response from the third party
  - send the result back to the original requester

 From the point of view of the requester, this will happen within the scope 
 of a single request.  

 The data exchanged with the original requester will likely be encoded as 
 JSON; the SOAP service will be handled by SUDS.

 The load is likely to be quite light, say a few requests per hour, though 
 this may increase in the future.

 Given these requirements, what do you think might be a suitable software 
 stack, i.e. webserver and web framework (if a web framework is even 
 necessary)?  

From your description (so far), you would not need a web framework
but could use any way to integrate Python scripts into a web server,
e.g. mod_python, cgi, WSGI, 
Check what ways your web server will suport.

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Re: Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Kev Dwyer]

Steve Petrie wrote:

 On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:32:40 AM UTC-5, Kev Dwyer wrote:
 Hello List,
 
 
 
 I have to build a simple web service which will:
 
 
 
  - receive queries from our other servers
 
  - forward the requests to a third party SOAP service
 
  - process the response from the third party
 
  - send the result back to the original requester
 
 
 
 From the point of view of the requester, this will happen within the
 scope
 
 of a single request.
 
 
 
 The data exchanged with the original requester will likely be encoded as
 
 JSON; the SOAP service will be handled by SUDS.
 
 
 
 The load is likely to be quite light, say a few requests per hour, though
 
 this may increase in the future.
 
 
 
 Given these requirements, what do you think might be a suitable software
 
 stack, i.e. webserver and web framework (if a web framework is even
 
 necessary)?
 
 
 
 Candidates should be compatible with Python2.7, though I'd be happy to
 
 consider Python 3 if anyone knows of a Python3 SOAP library that has good
 
 WSDL support.
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
 Kev
 
 I'm using the Bottle web framework (http://bottlepy.org) to integrate
 requests and replies originating in a Drupal site, a Beanstream (payment
 processor) account, and a Salesforce instance.
 
 Communication with Salesforce is done through the Salesforce Python
 Toolkit (http://code.google.com/p/salesforce-python-toolkit/), which uses
 Suds.
 
 Communication with the Drupal site uses Python's (and PHP's on the Drupal
 side) native JSON support.
 
 This is under Python 2.6.8 and Apache 2.2.23 running on an AWS EC2
 instance.
 
 No (major) problems so far, though still in the early stages of this
 project.
 
 Steve
 
 
 
 I chose Bottle after trying a few other frameworks because, well, I can't
 remember exactly why, though thinking back it's probably because of the
 clarity of Bottle's approach and the simplicity of the documentation.


Hello Steve,

Thanks for  your comment.

I'm curious, did you consider any web servers other than Apache? 

Kev

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RE: Python Web Routing Benchmark

[Andriy Kornatskyy]

Web Routing Benchmark has been updated with latest version of various web 
frameworks. 

http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-routing-benchmark.html

Note, wheezy.web seo routing benchmark has been improved by approximately 40%.

Thanks.

Andriy Kornatskyy



 From: andriy.kornats...@live.com
 To: python-list@python.org
 Subject: Python Web Routing Benchmark
 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:05:08 +0300


 How fast web frameworks process routing (URL dispatch)?

 Here is a benchmark for various web frameworks (bottle, django, flask, 
 pyramid, tornado and wheezy.web) running the following routing: static, 
 dynamic, SEO and missing... with a trivial 'hello world' application (all 
 routes are pointing to the same handler).

 http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-routing-benchmark.html

 Benchmark is executed in isolated environment using CPython 2.7. Source is 
 here:

 https://bitbucket.org/akorn/helloworld/src/tip/02-routing

 Comments or suggestions are welcome.

 Thanks.

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Suitable software stacks for simple python web service

[Kev Dwyer]

Hello List,

I have to build a simple web service which will:

 - receive queries from our other servers
 - forward the requests to a third party SOAP service
 - process the response from the third party
 - send the result back to the original requester

From the point of view of the requester, this will happen within the scope 
of a single request.  

The data exchanged with the original requester will likely be encoded as 
JSON; the SOAP service will be handled by SUDS.

The load is likely to be quite light, say a few requests per hour, though 
this may increase in the future.

Given these requirements, what do you think might be a suitable software 
stack, i.e. webserver and web framework (if a web framework is even 
necessary)?  

Candidates should be compatible with Python2.7, though I'd be happy to 
consider Python 3 if anyone knows of a Python3 SOAP library that has good 
WSDL support.

Cheers,

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Python Web Frameworks PEP8 Consistency

[Andriy Kornatskyy]

The code is read much more often than it is written. The PEP8 guidelines are 
intended to improve the readability of code. We will take a look at web 
frameworks source code readability 
(bottle, cherrypy, circuits, django, flask, pyramid, tornado, web.py, web2py 
and wheezy.web):

http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-pep8-consistency.html

The ratio between a web framework total python source lines to PEP8 errors 
found represents PEP8 error rate in respectful framework.

Readability counts, no doubt, but readability consistency is important, it is 
equally important to know when to be inconsistent. The report makes excuse for 
the following:

E501 line too long ( 79 characters)
E231 missing whitespace after ',:'
W291 trailing whitespace
W293 blank line contains whitespace

Comments or suggestions are welcome.

Thanks.

Andriy Kornatskyy
  
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Python Web Routing Benchmark

[Andriy Kornatskyy]

How fast web frameworks process routing (URL dispatch)?
 
Here is a benchmark for various web frameworks (bottle, django, flask, pyramid, 
tornado and wheezy.web) running the following routing: static, dynamic, SEO and 
missing... with a trivial 'hello world' application (all routes are pointing to 
the same handler).

http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-routing-benchmark.html
 
Benchmark is executed in isolated environment using CPython 2.7. Source is here:

https://bitbucket.org/akorn/helloworld/src/tip/02-routing
 
Comments or suggestions are welcome.
 
Thanks.
 
Andriy Kornatskyy
  
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Re: Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Gilles]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:03:33 +0200, Gilles nos...@nospam.com wrote:
Does it mean that ASO only supports writing Python web apps as
long-running processes (CGI, FCGI, WSGI, SCGI) instead of embedded
Python à la PHP?

I need to get the big picture about the different solutions to run a
Python web application.

From what I read, it seems like this is the way things involved over
the years:

CGI : original method. Slow because the server has to spawn a new
process to run the interpreter + script every time a script is run.

mod_python : Apache module alternative to CGI. The interpreter is
loaded once, and running a script means just handling the script

mod_wsgi : mod_python is no longer developped, and mod_wsgi is its new
reincarnation

FastCGI and SCGI: Faster alternativees to CGI; Run as independent
programs, and communicate with the web server through either a Unix
socket (located on the same host) or a TCP socket (remote  host)

Is this correct?

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Re: Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Emile van Sebille]

On 8/16/2012 7:01 AM Gilles said...

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:03:33 +0200, Gilles nos...@nospam.com wrote:

Does it mean that ASO only supports writing Python web apps as
long-running processes (CGI, FCGI, WSGI, SCGI) instead of embedded
Python à la PHP?


I need to get the big picture about the different solutions to run a
Python web application.


From what I read, it seems like this is the way things involved over

the years:

CGI : original method. Slow because the server has to spawn a new
process to run the interpreter + script every time a script is run.

mod_python : Apache module alternative to CGI. The interpreter is
loaded once, and running a script means just handling the script

mod_wsgi : mod_python is no longer developped, and mod_wsgi is its new
reincarnation

FastCGI and SCGI: Faster alternativees to CGI; Run as independent
programs, and communicate with the web server through either a Unix
socket (located on the same host) or a TCP socket (remote  host)

Is this correct?

Thank you.




I'm sure there's no single correct answer to this.

Consider (python 2.6]:

emile@paj39:~$ mkdir web
emile@paj39:~$ cd web
emile@paj39:~/web$ cat  test.html
hello from test.html
emile@paj39:~/web$ python -m SimpleHTTPServer

Then browse to localhost:8000/test.html

Emile



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Re: Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Gilles]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:26:19 +0100, Tim Golden m...@timgolden.me.uk
wrote:
Just to make a point: one person's isn't a good solution is another 
person's works perfectly well for me. Modern servers are really quite 
quick: the cost of starting up a Python process and generating an HTML 
page can be really quite low. I've certainly had low-traffic production 
websites running for years on CGI without anyone complaining.

Thanks Tim for the input. I'll try the different solutions available
and see if CGI is good enough for my needs.
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Re: Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Gilles]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:56:26 +0200, Dieter Maurer
die...@handshake.de wrote:
You should probably read the mentioned forum resources to learn
details about the Python support provided by your web site hoster.

Yup, but so far, no answer, so I figured someone here might now.

Those articles seem to indicate that CGI isn't a good solution when
mod_python isn't available, so it looks like I'll have to investigate
FastCGI, WSGI, etc.

http://docs.python.org/howto/webservers.html
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/219110/how-python-web-frameworks-wsgi-and-cgi-fit-together

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Re: Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Tim Golden]

On 12/08/2012 21:52, Gilles wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:56:26 +0200, Dieter Maurer
die...@handshake.de wrote:

You should probably read the mentioned forum resources to learn
details about the Python support provided by your web site hoster.


Yup, but so far, no answer, so I figured someone here might now.

Those articles seem to indicate that CGI isn't a good solution when
mod_python isn't available


Just to make a point: one person's isn't a good solution is another 
person's works perfectly well for me. Modern servers are really quite 
quick: the cost of starting up a Python process and generating an HTML 
page can be really quite low. I've certainly had low-traffic production 
websites running for years on CGI without anyone complaining.


If speed was an issue or if I thought that I'd be getting more requests 
than I am then I'd consider a more sophisticated solution.


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Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Gilles]

Hello

I use A Small Orange (ASO) as my web provider. Asking the question in
their forum so far didn't work, so I figured I might have a faster
answer by asking here.

Support replied this in an old thread: Just a CGI option. We don't
have enough users to justify adding mod_python support.
http://forums.asmallorange.com/topic/4672-python-support/page__hl__python
http://forums.asmallorange.com/topic/4918-python-fcgi-verses-mod-python/

Does it mean that ASO only supports writing Python web apps as
long-running processes (CGI, FCGI, WSGI, SCGI) instead of embedded
Python à la PHP?

If that's the case, which smallest tool would you recomment to write
basic apps, eg. handling forms, etc.?

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Re: Running Python web apps on shared ASO servers?

[Dieter Maurer]

Gilles nos...@nospam.com writes:

 ...
 Support replied this in an old thread: Just a CGI option. We don't
 have enough users to justify adding mod_python support.
 http://forums.asmallorange.com/topic/4672-python-support/page__hl__python
 http://forums.asmallorange.com/topic/4918-python-fcgi-verses-mod-python/

 Does it mean that ASO only supports writing Python web apps as
 long-running processes (CGI, FCGI, WSGI, SCGI) instead of embedded
 Python à la PHP?

It looks as if you could use CGI to activate Python scripts.
There seems to be no mod_python support.

You should probably read the mentioned forum resources to learn
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Python web-framework+db with the widest scalability?

[Alec Taylor]

I am building a project requiring high performance and scalability, entailing:

• Role-based authentication with API-key licensing to access data of specific 
users
• API exposed with REST (XML, JSON), XMLRPC, JSONRPC and SOAP
• Easily configurable getters and setters to create APIs accessing the same 
data but with input/output in different schemas

A conservative estimate of the number of tables—often whose queries require 
joins—is: 20.

Which database type—e.g.: NoSQL or DBMS—key-value data store or 
object-relational database—e.g.: Redis or PostgreSQL—and web-framework—e.g. 
Django, Web2Py or Flask—would you recommend?

Thanks for all suggestions,

Alec Taylor
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Re: Python web-framework+db with the widest scalability?

[elektrrrus]

Hi,

From my experience while NoSQL databases are very fast and scalable, there is 
lack of _good_ support for popular frameworks. I've try with django and 
mongoengine, but results was poor. In my company we're building now large 
api-driven application with django and postgresql as a base. Django has two 
great api engines - piston and tastypie. Consider looking to nosql eg. mongodb 
as caching engine and session storage. Django is mature and stable framework, 
it has some limitations but there are good and documented use cases for doing 
almost everything You may need. Look also at server layer - popular apache and 
cgi-like solutions has very poor performance. Maybe You have use-cases to 
develop with messages queues like celery. 

W dniu sobota, 12 maja 2012 10:32:09 UTC+2 użytkownik Alec Taylor napisał:
 I am building a project requiring high performance and scalability, entailing:
 
 • Role-based authentication with API-key licensing to access data of specific 
 users
 • API exposed with REST (XML, JSON), XMLRPC, JSONRPC and SOAP
 • Easily configurable getters and setters to create APIs accessing the same 
 data but with input/output in different schemas
 
 A conservative estimate of the number of tables—often whose queries require 
 joins—is: 20.
 
 Which database type—e.g.: NoSQL or DBMS—key-value data store or 
 object-relational database—e.g.: Redis or PostgreSQL—and web-framework—e.g. 
 Django, Web2Py or Flask—would you recommend?
 
 Thanks for all suggestions,
 
 Alec Taylor

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Python web-framework with the widest scalability?

[Alec Taylor]

I am building a project requiring high performance and scalability,
entailing:

   - Role-based
authenticationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-based_access_controlwith
   
API-keyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_programming_interface_keylicensing
to access data of specific users
   - API http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_programming_interfaceexposed
with
   REST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REST
(XMLhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML,
   JSON http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON),
XMLRPChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLRPC,
   JSONRPC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSONRPC and
SOAPhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOAP
   - Easily configurable getters and
settershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutator_methodto create APIs
accessing the same data but with input/output in different
   schemas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_schema

A conservative estimate of the number of tables—often whose queries require
joins—is: 20.

Which database type—e.g.: NoSQL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoSQL
or DBMShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_system
—key-value data store
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key-value_data_storeor
object-relational
database http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_database—e.g.:
Redis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redis or
PostgreSQLhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL—and
web-framework http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application_framework—e.g.
Django http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_%28web_framework%29,
Web2Pyhttp://www.web2py.com/or
Flask http://flask.pocoo.org/—would you recommend?
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Re: Python web-framework with the widest scalability?

[Tim Chase]

On 05/12/12 03:30, Alec Taylor wrote:
 I am building a project requiring high performance and scalability,
 entailing:

Most of the frameworks are sufficiently scalable.  Scalability
usually stems from design decisions (architecture and algorithm) and
caching, and you'll usually hit bandwidth or algorithm/architecture
limits long before the frameworks are your primary bottleneck.

-tkc



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Re: standalone python web server

[Thomas Bach]

Rita rmorgan...@gmail.com writes:

 I am building a small intranet website and I would like to use
 Python. I was wondering if there was a easy and medium performance
 python based web server available. 

Are you going to use a framework? Most of these ship with a light
web server implementation… You probably want to check these out too…

I got a pretty robust setup via
+ nginx,
+ supervisord,
+ the web server shipped with Pyramid

If you want to use the WSGI standard I'd recommend to read

http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/deployment.html
 

This document describes several possible set ups to serve an WSGI
application…


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Re: standalone python web server

[Rita]

yes, I would like to use a framework. I like the twisted method the user
posted. Are there any examples of it using a framework, get/post, etc..?



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Thomas Bach thb...@students.uni-mainz.dewrote:

 Rita rmorgan...@gmail.com writes:

  I am building a small intranet website and I would like to use
  Python. I was wondering if there was a easy and medium performance
  python based web server available.

 Are you going to use a framework? Most of these ship with a light
 web server implementation… You probably want to check these out too…

 I got a pretty robust setup via
 + nginx,
 + supervisord,
 + the web server shipped with Pyramid

 If you want to use the WSGI standard I'd recommend to read


 http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/deployment.html

 This document describes several possible set ups to serve an WSGI
 application…


 Regards,
vince




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standalone python web server

[Rita]

I am building a small intranet website and I would like to use Python. I
was wondering if there was a easy and medium performance python based web
server available. I would like to run it on port :8080 since I wont have
root access also I prefer something easy to deploy meaning I would like to
move the server from one physical host to another without too much fuss.

Currently, I am using flask (development server) and everything is ok but
the performance is really bad.



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Re: standalone python web server

[Rodrick Brown]

On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Rita rmorgan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am building a small intranet website and I would like to use Python. I was 
 wondering if there was a easy and medium performance python based web server 
 available. I would like to run it on port :8080 since I wont have root access 
 also I prefer something easy to deploy meaning I would like to move the 
 server from one physical host to another without too much fuss. 
 
 Currently, I am using flask (development server) and everything is ok but the 
 performance is really bad.
 

Checkout TwistedWeb it's an HTTP server that can be used as a library or 
standalone server.

$ twistd web --path . --port 8080
 
 
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Re: standalone python web server

[Roy Smith]

In article mailman.5563.1328760741.27778.python-l...@python.org,
 Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Rita rmorgan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I am building a small intranet website and I would like to use Python. I 
  was wondering if there was a easy and medium performance python based web 
  server available. I would like to run it on port :8080 since I wont have 
  root access also I prefer something easy to deploy meaning I would like to 
  move the server from one physical host to another without too much fuss. 
  
  Currently, I am using flask (development server) and everything is ok but 
  the performance is really bad.
  
 
 Checkout TwistedWeb it's an HTTP server that can be used as a library or 
 standalone server.
 
 $ twistd web --path . --port 8080


Another one to look at is gunicorn.
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Re: standalone python web server

[anon hung]

 I am building a small intranet website and I would like to use Python. I
 was wondering if there was a easy and medium performance python based web
 server available. I would like to run it on port :8080 since I wont have
 root access also I prefer something easy to deploy meaning I would like
 to
 move the server from one physical host to another without too much fuss.

 Currently, I am using flask (development server) and everything is ok but
 the performance is really bad.

How about cherrypy?

Best,
anonhung


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Re: How to select Python web frameworks and which one is the best framework ?

[Kushal Kumaran]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:23 AM, VGNU Linux vgnuli...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, VGNU Linux vgnuli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I am confused on which web framework to select for developing a small data
 driven web application. Application will have features generally found in
 now-a-days web application like security, database connectivity,
 authentication etc. I found few web frameworks over the net like django,
 zope 2/3, pylons, turbogears, web2py, grok etc. etc.
 I just want to know that how developers/managers/organizations select a
 framework which best suits their needs ? what are the parameters for
 selection ?
 also which is the best and widely used web framework for python ?
 I apologize if this is a repeated question.

 Please guys help as I am novice to web development.

Search the list archives.  This topic has been discussed many many times.

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Re: How to select Python web frameworks and which one is the best framework ?

[VGNU Linux]

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, VGNU Linux vgnuli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I am confused on which web framework to select for developing a small data
 driven web application. Application will have features generally found in
 now-a-days web application like security, database connectivity,
 authentication etc. I found few web frameworks over the net like django,
 zope 2/3, pylons, turbogears, web2py, grok etc. etc.
 I just want to know that how developers/managers/organizations select a
 framework which best suits their needs ? what are the parameters for
 selection ?
 also which is the best and widely used web framework for python ?

 I apologize if this is a repeated question.

 Regards,
 VGNU


Please guys help as I am novice to web development.

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How to select Python web frameworks and which one is the best framework ?

[VGNU Linux]

Hi all,

I am confused on which web framework to select for developing a small data
driven web application. Application will have features generally found in
now-a-days web application like security, database connectivity,
authentication etc. I found few web frameworks over the net like django,
zope 2/3, pylons, turbogears, web2py, grok etc. etc.
I just want to know that how developers/managers/organizations select a
framework which best suits their needs ? what are the parameters for
selection ?
also which is the best and widely used web framework for python ?

I apologize if this is a repeated question.

Regards,
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Re: Python Web App

[Sean]

@Katie
Thank you I considered this option until I realized it wouldn't let me
do anything other than ping from the command line.

The rest of you all make valid points after doing a little more
research on my own I found some really nice web based text editors but
they didn't have any testing abilities which meant learning in that
environment wasn't feasible in my opinion. I am inclined to agree that
chrome OS will probably not do as well as they want it to but with the
kind of capital Google has they could easily flood the market. In the
end I wound up giving the notebook to my mom because all she really
does is check her email and Facebook so it was perfect for her.

Thank You for all the responses they were a great help with me testing
the notebook.

On Dec 25, 9:02 pm, Katie T ka...@coderstack.co.uk wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
  Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
  form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
  few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
  python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
  success with them.

 Your best bet is probably just to SSH to a *nix box and use something
 like vim or emacs. None of the web solutions are anywhere near acceptable.

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Re: Python Web App

[Katie T]

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

Your best bet is probably just to SSH to a *nix box and use something
like vim or emacs. None of the web solutions are anywhere near acceptable.

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Re: Python Web App

[Daniel Fetchinson]

 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

 Personally, I think a web app based IDE would be ghastly; but, you might
 have a look at Mozilla Skywriter (formerly Bespin):

 Why grashtly?

 I don't personally think the web makes a good framework for highly
 interactive applications as they must work within the constraints of the
 browser and IDEs are highly interactive applications by their very nature.
 Perhaps HTML5/CSS3 will change things; but, standard DOM manipulation,
 as I am accustomed to seeing it, cannot generate the kind of rendering
 that is available from native applications.  Attempts to do so end up being
 kludgy.

 It also cannot handle the kinds of desktop integrations that are common
 for native applications without opening up serious security trust issues.
 (Can everybody say ActiveX fiasco?)

So, in essence, you are predicting that google's chrome OS will be a
failure, right?

 Finally, there are difficulties in handling keystrokes without conflicting
 with the browser's native key bindings.  I seldom ever touch a mouse
 and I am a huge fan of vi, mutt, slrn, screen, ratpoison, etc. where
 the primary interface is totally accessable through the keyboard without
 having to tab through many options.

Well, implementing vi or other text based tools in the browser is
trivial. I mean it will function in exactly the same way as a native
vi.

Cheers,
Daniel


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Re: Python Web App

[Octavian Rasnita]

From: Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com

 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

 Personally, I think a web app based IDE would be ghastly; but, you might
 have a look at Mozilla Skywriter (formerly Bespin):

 Why grashtly?

 I don't personally think the web makes a good framework for highly
 interactive applications as they must work within the constraints of the
 browser and IDEs are highly interactive applications by their very nature.
 Perhaps HTML5/CSS3 will change things; but, standard DOM manipulation,
 as I am accustomed to seeing it, cannot generate the kind of rendering
 that is available from native applications.  Attempts to do so end up being
 kludgy.

 It also cannot handle the kinds of desktop integrations that are common
 for native applications without opening up serious security trust issues.
 (Can everybody say ActiveX fiasco?)
 
 So, in essence, you are predicting that google's chrome OS will be a
 failure, right?


It will surely be. But it won't, because Google's monopoly in an important 
field will help it to promote that OS, not because that OS will be so great.

 Finally, there are difficulties in handling keystrokes without conflicting
 with the browser's native key bindings.  I seldom ever touch a mouse
 and I am a huge fan of vi, mutt, slrn, screen, ratpoison, etc. where
 the primary interface is totally accessable through the keyboard without
 having to tab through many options.
 
 Well, implementing vi or other text based tools in the browser is
 trivial. I mean it will function in exactly the same way as a native
 vi.


Not exactly. Because not all the computer users can see, and the browsers don't 
offer the same accessibility features for screen readers as the standard GUIS.
(And Google's software is very poor in this field anyway.)

Octavian

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Re: Python Web App

[Tim Harig]

On 2010-12-23, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I don't personally think the web makes a good framework for highly
 interactive applications as they must work within the constraints of the
 browser and IDEs are highly interactive applications by their very nature.
 Perhaps HTML5/CSS3 will change things; but, standard DOM manipulation,
 as I am accustomed to seeing it, cannot generate the kind of rendering
 that is available from native applications.  Attempts to do so end up being
 kludgy.

 It also cannot handle the kinds of desktop integrations that are common
 for native applications without opening up serious security trust issues.
 (Can everybody say ActiveX fiasco?)

 So, in essence, you are predicting that google's chrome OS will be a
 failure, right?

No, most people are happy using web based email interfaces and never even
know that native email clients exist.  More is the pity.

 Finally, there are difficulties in handling keystrokes without conflicting
 with the browser's native key bindings.  I seldom ever touch a mouse
 and I am a huge fan of vi, mutt, slrn, screen, ratpoison, etc. where
 the primary interface is totally accessable through the keyboard without
 having to tab through many options.

 Well, implementing vi or other text based tools in the browser is
 trivial. I mean it will function in exactly the same way as a native
 vi.

Not exactly.  I occassionally use web based terminals (Ajaxterm, Anyterm,
Shellinabox, etc) to access my systems.  This works only partially since
many of the keystrokes I use conflict with keystrokes that the browser
uses or which cause signals that the browser either does not catch or does
not pass on to be accessed by client side scripting.  The terminals must
therefore place buttons or synthetic keyboards on the screen to allow
you to simulate the keystrokes.  That kind of negates the advantages of
keystrokes in the first place.  It doesn't make fore a pleasant experience.
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Python Web App

[Sean]

Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
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Re: Python Web App

[Hidura]

I am creating one, is on test, what kind of app do you want create?

2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:
 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
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Re: Python Web App

[Tim Harig]

On 2010-12-22, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

Personally, I think a web app based IDE would be ghastly; but, you might
have a look at Mozilla Skywriter (formerly Bespin):

https://mozillalabs.com/skywriter/
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Re: Python Web App

[Hidura]

Why grashtly?

2010/12/22, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net:
 On 2010-12-22, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

 Personally, I think a web app based IDE would be ghastly; but, you might
 have a look at Mozilla Skywriter (formerly Bespin):

 https://mozillalabs.com/skywriter/
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Re: Python Web App

[Sean]

I am wanting to learn python and I am test a Chrome OS notebook at the
same time so I need something that will atleast tell me if I have any
syntax errors. Although the more features the better that way learning
is an easier experience.

On Dec 22, 7:05 pm, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am creating one, is on test, what kind of app do you want create?

 2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:

  Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
  form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
  few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
  python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
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Re: Python Web App

[Sean]

Forgot to point out that Chrome OS has no local storage accessable to
the user. Hence why I need a web based solution.

On Dec 22, 8:51 pm, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am wanting to learn python and I am test a Chrome OS notebook at the
 same time so I need something that will atleast tell me if I have any
 syntax errors. Although the more features the better that way learning
 is an easier experience.

 On Dec 22, 7:05 pm, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:







  I am creating one, is on test, what kind of app do you want create?

  2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:

   Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
   form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
   few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
   python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
   success with them.
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Re: Python Web App

[Hidura]

Use editarea, that's the best option if you want something small, but
as i said before i am developing a framework that allows you to create
app's from the web and is much more complete than editarea.

2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:
 I am wanting to learn python and I am test a Chrome OS notebook at the
 same time so I need something that will atleast tell me if I have any
 syntax errors. Although the more features the better that way learning
 is an easier experience.

 On Dec 22, 7:05 pm, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am creating one, is on test, what kind of app do you want create?

 2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:

  Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
  form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
  few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
  python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
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Re: Python Web App

[Hidura]

My framework let you store online on a hosting server that the same
framework provide.

2010/12/22, Hidura hid...@gmail.com:
 Use editarea, that's the best option if you want something small, but
 as i said before i am developing a framework that allows you to create
 app's from the web and is much more complete than editarea.

 2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:
 I am wanting to learn python and I am test a Chrome OS notebook at the
 same time so I need something that will atleast tell me if I have any
 syntax errors. Although the more features the better that way learning
 is an easier experience.

 On Dec 22, 7:05 pm, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am creating one, is on test, what kind of app do you want create?

 2010/12/22, Sean secr...@gmail.com:

  Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
  form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
  few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
  python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
  success with them.
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Re: Python Web App

[Tim Harig]

[Reordered to preserve context in bottom posting]
On 2010-12-23, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/12/22, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net:
 On 2010-12-22, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

 Personally, I think a web app based IDE would be ghastly; but, you might
 have a look at Mozilla Skywriter (formerly Bespin):

 Why grashtly?

I don't personally think the web makes a good framework for highly
interactive applications as they must work within the constraints of the
browser and IDEs are highly interactive applications by their very nature.
Perhaps HTML5/CSS3 will change things; but, standard DOM manipulation,
as I am accustomed to seeing it, cannot generate the kind of rendering
that is available from native applications.  Attempts to do so end up being
kludgy.

It also cannot handle the kinds of desktop integrations that are common
for native applications without opening up serious security trust issues.
(Can everybody say ActiveX fiasco?)

Finally, there are difficulties in handling keystrokes without conflicting
with the browser's native key bindings.  I seldom ever touch a mouse
and I am a huge fan of vi, mutt, slrn, screen, ratpoison, etc. where
the primary interface is totally accessable through the keyboard without
having to tab through many options.
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Re: Python Web App

[Hidura]

Ok, but you are comparing a web-based framework with a native-based
framework that use the components of the system to make all the things
that need, a web-based framewok use the resourses of the browser to
make it all, so the developer that use a framework on the web can't
expect get the same results, in my case i beleive that a web-based
framework adjust better to the needs if you'll make a web-app,
otherwise use eclipse or netbeans.

2010/12/22, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net:
 [Reordered to preserve context in bottom posting]
 On 2010-12-23, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/12/22, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net:
 On 2010-12-22, Sean secr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anybody know where I can find a Python Development Environment in the
 form of a web app for use with Chrome OS. I have been looking for a
 few days and all i have been able to find is some old discussions with
 python developers talking about they will want one for the OS to be a
 success with them.

 Personally, I think a web app based IDE would be ghastly; but, you might
 have a look at Mozilla Skywriter (formerly Bespin):

 Why grashtly?

 I don't personally think the web makes a good framework for highly
 interactive applications as they must work within the constraints of the
 browser and IDEs are highly interactive applications by their very nature.
 Perhaps HTML5/CSS3 will change things; but, standard DOM manipulation,
 as I am accustomed to seeing it, cannot generate the kind of rendering
 that is available from native applications.  Attempts to do so end up being
 kludgy.

 It also cannot handle the kinds of desktop integrations that are common
 for native applications without opening up serious security trust issues.
 (Can everybody say ActiveX fiasco?)

 Finally, there are difficulties in handling keystrokes without conflicting
 with the browser's native key bindings.  I seldom ever touch a mouse
 and I am a huge fan of vi, mutt, slrn, screen, ratpoison, etc. where
 the primary interface is totally accessable through the keyboard without
 having to tab through many options.
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Re: Python Web App

[Tim Harig]

On 2010-12-23, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, but you are comparing a web-based framework with a native-based
 framework that use the components of the system to make all the things
 that need, a web-based framewok use the resourses of the browser to

Right.  That is exactly what I am comparing.

 make it all, so the developer that use a framework on the web can't
 expect get the same results, in my case i beleive that a web-based

Which is exactly the problem with web apps that are highly interactive.  My
suggestion, is not to develope a web based IDE or use one.  It just isn't
something that the web was designed to do well.

 expect get the same results, in my case i beleive that a web-based
 framework adjust better to the needs if you'll make a web-app,

Most IDEs that are targeted at web developement have a built in web browser
or strong integration with one to run the web app as you are developing it.
I don't see any advantage or the necessity of actually running the IDE code
itself in the browser.

 otherwise use eclipse or netbeans.

I would; but then, I wouldn't purchase an operating system that is entirely
based on a web browser.
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Re: Re: Python Web App

[hidura]

Which is exactly the problem with web apps that are highly interactive. My
suggestion, is not to develope a web based IDE or use one. It just isn't
something that the web was designed to do well.


Is not a problem of the IDE, the problem is on what the developer expect
as i said i you want something to the desktop well use an IDE that creates
apps for desktop, but if you need something for the web you can try on a
web-based IDE.

Most IDEs that are targeted at web developement have a built in web  
browser
or strong integration with one to run the web app as you are developing  
it.
I don't see any advantage or the necessity of actually running the IDE  
code

itself in the browser.


That's the problem an integration with one, my IDE works on all of them and
the result is the same in IE and Chrome or FF, a web page cannot be designed
to one browser it has to be designed to all the browser and have to be  
same. On
the visualization is more difficult but nobody could control perfectly that  
but on

the results of the data is has to be the same.

I would; but then, I wouldn't purchase an operating system that is  
entirely

based on a web browser.


I support that, but the target of those OS are use the share resources of  
the pc,

smartphone, etc and the server.


On Dec 22, 2010 11:54pm, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote:

On 2010-12-23, Hidura hid...@gmail.com wrote:



 Ok, but you are comparing a web-based framework with a native-based



 framework that use the components of the system to make all the things



 that need, a web-based framewok use the resourses of the browser to





Right. That is exactly what I am comparing.





 make it all, so the developer that use a framework on the web can't



 expect get the same results, in my case i beleive that a web-based





Which is exactly the problem with web apps that are highly interactive. My



suggestion, is not to develope a web based IDE or use one. It just isn't



something that the web was designed to do well.





 expect get the same results, in my case i beleive that a web-based



 framework adjust better to the needs if you'll make a web-app,




Most IDEs that are targeted at web developement have a built in web  
browser


or strong integration with one to run the web app as you are developing  
it.


I don't see any advantage or the necessity of actually running the IDE  
code



itself in the browser.





 otherwise use eclipse or netbeans.




I would; but then, I wouldn't purchase an operating system that is  
entirely



based on a web browser.



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Re: The Python Web Authoring and Application Pages

[python]

Travis,

Great job - thanks for sharing your research!

Note: you may want to add cherrypy.org to your framework page. This is
an excellent, light weight, template agnostic framework. Turbogears runs
on top of CherryPy.

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The Python Web Authoring and Application Pages

[travis]

I've got five pages of information linked to from here:

http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/

LWMLs
template systems
static web page generators
microframeworks
web app frameworks

It seems like many web app programmers and web authors know one
system, or possibly two, and so you don't often get good answers to
the questions like which one should I choose?, and what features
would make me choose one over the other?  I suppose this is because
most people just have to use whatever their employer is using, and few
are in the enviable position of being able to choose.

Man, that is a lot of work.  And it just keeps growing; as I track
down web app frameworks, for example, I discover new templating
systems, and have to go back and update _that_ information, and then
have to figure out if the other web app frameworks support it, and it
also references some more templating languages as influencing it, and
it just goes on and on...

If I hadn't scrapped the idea of covering this for all languages, ruby
and PHP would have given a combinatorial explosion beyond all
measure..

For those who'd like to see such information overload, my initial
attempt at this is here:

http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/static_blog_generators.html
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Re: python web service or Apache?

[Peng Yu]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Simon Forman sajmik...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following
 webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web
 server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your
 own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both
 Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want
 to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache
 rather than python to provide web service, right?

 http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php


 Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit
 mention of the criteria used for the evaluation.

 To determine what is best you must first answer for what?


 (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with
 mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...)

I have never made a web server before. So I don't know what criterion
I should use? If possible, would you please let me know what pros and
cons you can think of?

How to use apache and python together? Does each of them offer some
functions that are not available in the other? Thank you!
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Re: python web service or Apache?

[Simon Forman]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Simon Forman sajmik...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following
 webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web
 server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your
 own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both
 Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want
 to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache
 rather than python to provide web service, right?

 http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php


 Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit
 mention of the criteria used for the evaluation.

 To determine what is best you must first answer for what?


 (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with
 mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...)

 I have never made a web server before. So I don't know what criterion
 I should use? If possible, would you please let me know what pros and
 cons you can think of?

Well, criteria like, how much traffic do you need to support?  How
often will you be changing your code?  Do you have your own server or
are you using some sort of hosting plan with another company?  Those
are pretty general.  I'm not a web server expert.

I recently wrote a small server script. It's only job was to listen
for POST requests from a third-party SVN repository service that
indicated a commit had been made and then trigger a buildbot
build/test cycle.  For this the BaseHTTPServer module was sufficient.

Apache is highly regarded, but I've heard Nginx is, or can be, faster
(I don't know if that's true, but I've heard it...)

Apache has a /lot/ of features and capabilities, which can mean it
will have a steep learning curve (again depending on what you want to
do with it.)  But if you're using an OS with good package support,
like Ubuntu linux, getting a basic Apache installation up and running
takes one command. (And some time understanding the default
configuration...)

There are also options like CherryPy (http://www.cherrypy.org/) or
Twisted Web (http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/) which are HTTP servers
(and more) written in python.

Probably the most important question to answer is, How much do you
want to learn?

 How to use apache and python together? Does each of them offer some
 functions that are not available in the other? Thank you!

You're welcome. :)

Possibly the simplest method is to write a CGI script in python.  I've
already mentioned mod_python and mod_wsgi which are Apache modules
that let you use python with Apache.

There are also web frameworks like Django and TurboGears which can
work with Apache.

These options all offer different functions while providing
essentially the same functionality.  You'll have to do your own
homework to figure out which is the best for you.

Regards,
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Re: python web service or Apache?

[rurpy]

On 10/26/2009 08:00 AM, Peng Yu wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Simon Forman sajmik...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following
 webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web
 server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your
 own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both
 Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want
 to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache
 rather than python to provide web service, right?

 http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php


 Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit
 mention of the criteria used for the evaluation.

 To determine what is best you must first answer for what?


 (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with
 mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...)

 I have never made a web server before. So I don't know what criterion
 I should use? If possible, would you please let me know what pros and
 cons you can think of?

Apache requires root access to the server machine, is quite complex
and requires some learning and work to setup and use.
On the other hand it is very powerful, will handle high traffic,
and can handle the requirements of most any web site, so even if
you start with a simple site you can be pretty sure it will handle
your needs in the future as your web site grows.  Because Apache
is widely used, there an many places and people that can provide
help and advice on how to run it.

A small simple custom web server built with Python will likely
only work well with a very small traffic volume and will have
very limited capabilities but is very quick to get up and running.
You can run it on a non-privileged port if you do not have
root access to your server machine.

 How to use apache and python together? Does each of them offer some
 functions that are not available in the other? Thank you!

Apache, like most general purpose web servers, supports the CGI
protocol.  You can setup Apache so that when a request is made
for a file ending with .py, it will run the python file and
send the program's output to the client browser.  This allows
you to generate html output from the Python program.  Python's
standard lib contains the cgi module that will help in writing
python code for this.

There are other more efficient ways of using Python with
a web server such as mod_python, or wsgi, but cgi is probably
the simplest, and has the most how-to info available.

HTH
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Re: python web service or Apache?

[Paul Rubin]

ru...@yahoo.com writes:
 Apache requires root access to the server machine,

Only to access the privileged ports.

 A small simple custom web server built with Python will likely...
 You can run it on a non-privileged port if you do not have
 root access to your server machine.

You can do that with apache as well.  Which is more complicated is a
little bit subjective.  I use both, and for something simple I
generally find it easier to throw together a custom server with
SocketServer.py, but it takes some familiarity with Python networking
to be able to do that.
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Re: python web service or Apache?

[Gabriel Genellina]

En Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:47:43 -0300, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com escribió:


Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following
webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web
server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your
own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both
Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want
to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache
rather than python to provide web service, right?


Note that web server != web service.

Apache is a web server; it handles HTTP requests to serve web pages,  
typically HTML documents, images, videos, etc. Usually those requests come  
from a human browsing the web. Apache is highly optimized to serve  
static documents (those that are already prebuilt, and aren't dependent  
on specific details of the current request, e.g. a photo).
dynamic documents (e.g. your bank account statement) have to be  
generated for each specific request - there is a program behind those  
dynamic documents, and that program may be written in Python (or Perl, or  
PHP, or whatever). That is, Python is used to build dynamic content --  
pages that cannot be prebuilt.


Although you can write a web server in Python itself, and it works fine  
for low-volume sites, it cannot compete (in speed, number of concurrent  
transactions, and other features) with Apache or lighttpd.


A web service is a program that exposes some sort of API that can be  
accessed thru a web interfase, mostly intended to be used by other  
programs, not humans. Web services usually are built on top of HTTP as the  
transport layer, so they run behind Apache or other web server. Python is  
perfectly adequate to write web services.


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python web service or Apache?

[Peng Yu]

Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following
webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web
server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your
own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both
Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want
to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache
rather than python to provide web service, right?

http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php
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Re: python web service or Apache?

[Simon Forman]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following
 webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web
 server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your
 own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both
 Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want
 to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache
 rather than python to provide web service, right?

 http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php


Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit
mention of the criteria used for the evaluation.

To determine what is best you must first answer for what?


(Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with
mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...)


Regards,
~Simon
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python web mail clients, are there any decent ones?

[Bodo Lomo]

Hi,

I've been looking but it seems I cannot find a decent web mail client on a
python platform.
I'm looking for something like roundcube or conjoon or thehorde, but I don't
want to use a PHP solution mostly because the web app is python (django) and
I want to continue using the apache worker mpm (php needs prefork, as it's
not thread safe).

Doesn't matter if imap or pop3, although I'd prefer direct maildir access.

Has anyone come along anything nice?

Thanks,
BL
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[ANN] Pyjamas 0.6pre2 Python Web Widget Set and Javascript Compiler

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

http://pyjs.org

this is a pre-release announcement, 0.6pre2, of the pyjamas widget set
and python-to-javascript compiler.  there are over 110 entries in the
CHANGELOG since the last stable release, 0.5p1, and so it was deemed
sensible to invite people to test this version before its next stable
release, 0.6.

pyjamas, being a port of GWT to python, comprises four main components:
* a stand-alone python-to-javascript compiler
* a desktop-based wrapper around python-xpcom or pywebkitgtk
* a browser DOM model wrapper interface
* a widget set similar to pygtk2 / pyqt4, based on DOM manipulation

significantly in the 0.6 series, pyjamas-desktop has been incorporated
into the build: python Hello.py will start a stand-alone app (just
as you would with pygtk2 or pyqt4) and pyjsbuild Hello will compile
the javascript version(s).

the combination means that pyjamas can run python applications -
unmodified - in all major web browsers, or on the desktop (using gecko
or webkit) in a similar fashion to adobe AIR.

in the javascript version: somewhere along the line, a massive
performance hit was introduced by accident. this has now been fixed.
however, random desperate attempts to improve performance, before the
mistake was corrected, mean that the pyjamas 0.6pre2
python-to-javascript compiler produces code that is stunningly quick.

also in the 0.6pre2 release, strict python options have now been
introduced, so that developers can expect much more support for the
standard python 2.5 / 2.6 language semantics.  the -O option
disables many of these features, bringing a quite significant speed
increase, by sacrificing python compatibility.  that's just the way it
has to be.

downloads can be found by following the links from http://pyjs.org -
sourceforge, code.google.com, pypi, all the usual places.

lastly - thank you to everyone who's helped with pyjamas: bernd,
bernd, jurgen, christian, kees, ondrej and many more, and especially
thank you to the people who helped out by pointing out bugs in the
0.6pre1 release, please keep it up!

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[ANN] Pyjamas 0.6pre2 Python Web Widget Set and Javascript Compiler

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

http://pyjs.org

this is a pre-release announcement, 0.6pre2, of the pyjamas widget set
and python-to-javascript compiler.  there are over 110 entries in the
CHANGELOG since the last stable release, 0.5p1, and so it was deemed
sensible to invite people to test this version before its next stable
release, 0.6.

pyjamas, being a port of GWT to python, comprises four main components:
* a stand-alone python-to-javascript compiler
* a desktop-based wrapper around python-xpcom or pywebkitgtk
* a browser DOM model wrapper interface
* a widget set similar to pygtk2 / pyqt4, based on DOM manipulation

significantly in the 0.6 series, pyjamas-desktop has been incorporated
into the build: python Hello.py will start a stand-alone app (just
as you would with pygtk2 or pyqt4) and pyjsbuild Hello will compile
the javascript version(s).

the combination means that pyjamas can run python applications -
unmodified - in all major web browsers, or on the desktop (using gecko
or webkit) in a similar fashion to adobe AIR.

in the javascript version: somewhere along the line, a massive
performance hit was introduced by accident. this has now been fixed.
however, random desperate attempts to improve performance, before the
mistake was corrected, mean that the pyjamas 0.6pre2
python-to-javascript compiler produces code that is stunningly quick.

also in the 0.6pre2 release, strict python options have now been
introduced, so that developers can expect much more support for the
standard python 2.5 / 2.6 language semantics.  the -O option
disables many of these features, bringing a quite significant speed
increase, by sacrificing python compatibility.  that's just the way it
has to be.

downloads can be found by following the links from http://pyjs.org -
sourceforge, code.google.com, pypi, all the usual places.

lastly - thank you to everyone who's helped with pyjamas: bernd,
bernd, jurgen, christian, kees, ondrej and many more, and especially
thank you to the people who helped out by pointing out bugs in the
0.6pre1 release, please keep it up!

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Re: Best Python Web Framework ?

[SKYLAB]

On 21 Nisan, 23:56, laplacia...@gmail.com laplacia...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Apr 21, 2:46 pm, SKYLAB zky...@gmail.com wrote:

  Greetings..

  First , my english is not good .

  I heard that was written in python ( Youtube Programming Language :
  PYTHON :S ) Correct ?

  That's not correct ? Then youtube is PHP application ?

  That's correct ; Which python web framework in friendfeed ? Web.py ?
  Django ? web2py ?

  Thanks..

 There may not be a best web framework -- only one that is best for
 you and what you need to do with it.

 If you want a large and feature-rich framework, try django.

 If you want something smaller and simpler, maybe try Karrigell. Also,
 Werkzeughttp://werkzeug.pocoo.org/seems actively developed and well-
 documented.

 Dunno what youtube or friendfeed use. Google might tell you.

 Enjoy experimenting. :)

Thanks. Django 4EVER :)

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Re: Best Python Web Framework ?

[Luis Gonzalez]

On Apr 21, 11:46 am, SKYLAB zky...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings..

 First , my english is not good .

 I heard that was written in python ( Youtube Programming Language :
 PYTHON :S ) Correct ?

 That's not correct ? Then youtube is PHP application ?

 That's correct ; Which python web framework in friendfeed ? Web.py ?
 Django ? web2py ?

 Thanks..

FriendFeed has an in-house framework inspired by web.py and
Appengine's webapp. It was written by Bret Taylor, who was the PM of
appengine when it started, but is now working for FriendFeed.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=523544
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