Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-06 Thread Gregor Horvath
Am Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:32:13 -0500 schrieb Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com: On 07/05/2010 02:50 AM, Gregor Horvath wrote: Am Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:51:54 -0500 schrieb Tim Chasepython.l...@tim.thechases.com: I think it's the same venting of frustration that caused veteran VB6

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote: Any online group is an opportunity to register dissent in a way that is public, open, immediate, interactive, and will (probably) be preserved for historians to check. The fact is, some people have gripes with Python 3;

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread Gregor Horvath
Am Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:51:54 -0500 schrieb Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com: I think it's the same venting of frustration that caused veteran VB6 developers to start calling VB.Net Visual Fred -- the language was too different and too non-backwards-compatible. VB6 - VB.NET and

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.247.1278309447.1673.python-l...@python.org, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:05:03 -0400, Roy Smith r...@panix.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: In article mailman.238.1278287528.1673.python-l...@python.org,

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/4/2010 9:20 PM, CM wrote: On Jul 4, 7:14 pm, Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote: I think there's a good point to Python 3 put-downs (if I take put-down to mean generally reasonable criticism, which is what I've read here recently, and not trolling). And that is simply to register

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread Tim Chase
On 07/05/2010 02:50 AM, Gregor Horvath wrote: Am Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:51:54 -0500 schrieb Tim Chasepython.l...@tim.thechases.com: I think it's the same venting of frustration that caused veteran VB6 developers to start calling VB.Net Visual Fred -- the language was too different and too

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread CM
On Jul 5, 2:33 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 7/4/2010 9:20 PM, CM wrote: On Jul 4, 7:14 pm, Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu  wrote: I think there's a good point to Python 3 put-downs (if I take put-down to mean generally reasonable criticism, which is what I've read here

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:32:13 -0500, Tim Chase wrote: On 07/05/2010 02:50 AM, Gregor Horvath wrote: Am Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:51:54 -0500 schrieb Tim Chasepython.l...@tim.thechases.com: I think it's the same venting of frustration that caused veteran VB6 developers to start calling VB.Net

Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-04 Thread Terry Reedy
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Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-04 Thread Tim Chase
I think it's the same venting of frustration that caused veteran VB6 developers to start calling VB.Net Visual Fred -- the language was too different and too non-backwards-compatible. The 2to3 tools are better (partly due to the less drastic language changes compared to the Fred'ification of

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-04 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.238.1278287528.1673.python-l...@python.org, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: I've often wondered if changing the name of the language (such as Adder, Served, Dwarf or Fawlty for the Britcom fans in the crowd) would have mitigated some of the more

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-04 Thread Chris Rebert
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.238.1278287528.1673.python-l...@python.org,  Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: I've often wondered if changing the name of the language (such as Adder, Served, Dwarf or Fawlty for the Britcom fans

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-04 Thread Ben Finney
Roy Smith r...@panix.com writes: Maybe it should have been Python five, no, THREE! +1 QOTW -- \ “Our products just aren't engineered for security.” —Brian | `\ Valentine, senior vice-president of Microsoft Windows | _o__)

Re: Python 3 put-downs: What's the point?

2010-07-04 Thread CM
On Jul 4, 7:14 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: I think there's a good point to Python 3 put-downs (if I take put-down to mean generally reasonable criticism, which is what I've read here recently, and not trolling). And that is simply to register dissent. Any online group is an