QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]

2008-07-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote:

 +1 QOTW
 
 Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted
 here in the past week?

Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that 
somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark, 
that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't 
quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun.

But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults 
everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I 
replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly?


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Re: QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]

2008-07-28 Thread member thudfoo
On 28 Jul 2008 14:07:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote:

   +1 QOTW
  
   Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted
   here in the past week?

  Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that
  somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark,
  that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't
  quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun.

  But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults
  everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I
  replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly?


  --
  Steven


 It is difficult to not offend the insult-sensitive.
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Re: QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]

2008-07-28 Thread castironpi
On Jul 28, 9:07 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cybersource.com.au wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
  +1 QOTW

  Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted
  here in the past week?

 Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that
 somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark,
 that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't
 quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun.

 But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults
 everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I
 replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly?

 --
 Steven

No insult was intended.  The writer stated that where Java minimizes
bad, Python maximizes good.  This is a non-trivial truth, and a non-
trivial observation.  Also, clever.  I agreed and said so, and
compliments go a long way.  Do you?

 everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I
 replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly?

Arf, arf.

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Re: QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]

2008-07-28 Thread Russ P.
On Jul 28, 7:07 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cybersource.com.au wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
  +1 QOTW

  Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted
  here in the past week?

 Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that
 somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark,
 that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't
 quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun.

 But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults
 everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I
 replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly?

 --
 Steven

That would all be true if the comment that was called QOTW was
indeed clever or, for that matter, true. It was neither.

The idea that Python does not try to discourage bad programming
practice is just plain wrong. Ask yourself why Python doesn't allow
assignment within a conditional test (if x = 0), for example. Or,
why it doesn't allow i++ or ++i? I'll leave it as an exercise for
the reader to give more examples.

Also, the whole idea of using indentation to define the logical
structure of the code is really a way to ensure that the indentation
structure is consistent with the logical structure. Now, is that a way
to encourage good practice, or is it a way to discourage bad
practice? The notion that the two concepts are very different (as
the QOTW claimed) is just plain nonsense.
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