Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-05-02 Thread Bob Ippolito
On May 2, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Frederick C. Lee wrote: Greetings all... I'm a Python neophyte and am trying to run packages on the Mac (now 'Tiger'). Structurally, Potentially Python is a great scripting software and great for modeling systems being developed into Cocoa/Obj-C. What struc

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-05-02 Thread Frederick C. Lee
Greetings all... I'm a Python neophyte and am trying to run packages on the Mac (now 'Tiger'). Structurally, Potentially Python is a great scripting software and great for modeling systems being developed into Cocoa/Obj-C. What struck me as a big problem on the OS X is the lac

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Lee Cullens wrote: On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Dethe Elza wrote: Another low-tech solution would be to start a wiki page with known latest versions, urls to download the latest versions, and the above script. No reinvention of the wheel needed, just leveraging

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Lee Cullens
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Dethe Elza wrote: Another low-tech solution would be to start a wiki page with known latest versions, urls to download the latest versions, and the above script. No reinvention of the wheel needed, just leveraging what we already have in a different way. --Deth

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couldn't be determined). Another low-tech solution would be to start a wiki page with known latest versions, urls to download the latest versions, and Something better already exists, the Python Package Index. Unfortunately many packages ar

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread konrad . hinsen
On 18.04.2005, at 18:09, Dethe Elza wrote: new installer process. Encouraging vendors to add metadata to their distutils scripts for a) version, and b) a URL to check for updates, would be Most do, but the data is not kept in the installation. useful. A good place to start would be to build a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18.04.2005, at 17:43, Bob Ippolito wrote: Unfortunately it's not that simple because you want to change the way the runtime works. But only by adding a strategy for searching for packages. Those who don't use it will never find out. That d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Dethe Elza wrote: On 18-Apr-05, at 8:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. The problem I have with it is not installation, but version management. Finding out what versions of what packages are installed is not straightforward. If the problem is version management, the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Dethe Elza
On 18-Apr-05, at 8:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. The problem I have with it is not installation, but version management. Finding out what versions of what packages are installed is not straightforward. If the problem is version management, the solution may not be to build a new installer p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Chris Barker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can users be trusted to put Python packages in the right place on their own? If they have multiple versions of Python installed? I would say no. They do manage for applications, so why wouldn't they for Python packages? No, they don't. Mac users put Applications all over

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread konrad . hinsen
On 18.04.2005, at 17:43, Bob Ippolito wrote: Unfortunately it's not that simple because you want to change the way the runtime works. But only by adding a strategy for searching for packages. Those who don't use it will never find out. I don't think that Installer will silently downgrade stuff

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 18, 2005, at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2005, at 15:51, Bob Ippolito wrote: 4) Hundreds of hours spent pushing a new format to the rest of the Python world The Python world would not care, the packages bundles would be created with some tool based on distutils, just like

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread konrad . hinsen
On Apr 18, 2005, at 15:51, Bob Ippolito wrote: 4) Hundreds of hours spent pushing a new format to the rest of the Python world The Python world would not care, the packages bundles would be created with some tool based on distutils, just like py2app does today. Only the Mac Python world would be

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Package installation

2005-04-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 18, 2005, at 9:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While installing some Mac applications, I wondered if Python package installation could not be just as simple as application installation: copy a bundle to some folder (/Applications/PythonPackages or /Library/Python or whatever) and use it.