On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:50 AM, Roger Binns wrote:
Yeah, exactly. There's not even twice as many Windows projects as
Mac OS X projects, and far more Linux projects that Windows projects.
Note that it didn't include Windows 98 or the generic Win32 category
(trying to categorise a project on SourceForg
Yeah, exactly. There's not even twice as many Windows projects as Mac
OS X projects, and far more Linux projects that Windows projects.
Note that it didn't include Windows 98 or the generic Win32 category
(trying to categorise a project on SourceForge is a real pain!)
It doesn't matter how chea
On 8-Feb-05, at 9:07 PM, Roger Binns wrote:
- QT (Unix)
- GTK (Unix)
- wxWidgets (Windows)
- Tk (Unix)
- Fltk (Unix)
- Fox (Unix)
Of course there are also:
- Swing (Unix)
- Mozilla/XUL Runner (???)
- GnuStep (Unix) [This lets you use most of the OS X UI on Unix and
Windows]
- PyGame (Unix?)
On Feb 9, 2005, at 12:07 AM, Roger Binns wrote:
This is a very valid point, but since when has that really mattered
to people writing open source software? Windows certainly doesn't
seem to have more support from the open source community than
anything else.
http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/t
This is a very valid point, but since when has that really mattered to
people writing open source software? Windows certainly doesn't seem to
have more support from the open source community than anything else.
http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=418
As a counter-point, de
Chris Barker wrote:
I really think we can get a complete set of OS-X friendly packages out
for all to use. it's really not all that hard, once you've got the
tricks figured out. We'll have a MUCH easier time getting folks to use
python on OS-X if we have nice friendly binaries for them to instal
> Well, whenever I have to use wxPython, that's how it feels. I
> definitely recommend it over Tkinter, pyGTK, and PyQT, though.
Hmmm. I like portable applications, so am usually forced to write UIs
in Java Swing. But when I do use Python, I prefer PyGTK; I think the
toolkit is better designed
On Feb 8, 2005, at 22:12, Roger Binns wrote:
Mac OS X has only been around a few years and there aren't many
people working on making it better (though I'm sure there are lots of
people using it), so you can't really expect a best of breed solution
just yet.
There was, and still is to a certain
> If wxPython is the toolkit you settle on, check out Stani's Python
> Editor (SPE): it's built with wxPython and is a nice overall package.
> The core IDE includes an editor and syntax checker, but it also includes
> ~ wxGlade (a GUI designer), Kiki (regular expressions), and some other
> goodies.
Probably because most of the Python world isn't developing GUI
applications (though seems to be a big swing in this direction).
As a counterpoint, there are approximately 30,000 downloads of
wxPython for each version. wxPython is typically used by developers
and the packaged apps are used by the
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Also,
Mac OS X has only been around a few years and there aren't many people
working on making it better (though I'm sure there are lots of people
using it), so you can't really expect a best of breed solution just yet.
True, but frankly, the IDE situation is not that much b
If you try SPE, I'd be very interested to hear your results. It's
beautiful, and very extensive. But I have not been able to make it
work. (The same has been true for me with wxGlade. It may be my fault,
or the fault of my system.)
Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
http:/
On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:59:46 -0500, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
cohesive toolset. There are thousands of individual parts and pieces,
lots of semi-working IDEs and debuggers...
Welcome to fre
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Troy,
If wxPython is the toolkit you settle on, check out Stani's Python
Editor (SPE): it's built with wxPython and is a nice overall package.
The core IDE includes an editor and syntax checker, but it also includes
~ wxGlade (a GUI designer), Kiki (reg
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:59:46 -0500, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
> > cohesive toolset. There are thousands of individual parts and pieces,
> > lots of semi-working IDEs and debuggers...
>
> Welcome to free software?
Ha. Fair enough.
On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
3) A GUI toolkit (wxWidgets?)
I'd highly recommend PyObjC if cross-platform isn't an immediate goal.
Well, if it's a goal at all, consider other options. Otherwise, Bob is
right, even though I've never used it.
Well if it's not an
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Getting you, the Mac user who is familiar with scripting, up and
running with -
1) Python
There are a number of good books out there. I recommend "Dive Into
Python" (in print or on the web) and "Learning Python"
2) An IDE and debugger (Xcode?)
Don't be too dismayed by the lac
> I don't know if I
> want to tackle this without the "security" of an environment which
> includes code colorization (if not completion), a debugger, and
> ideally a interactive interpreter tied in for command line testing.
I use Emacs for all of this. python-mode.el works well for
colorization,
On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
I'm a developer who primarily works with higher level languages, and
integrated tools. Director, REALbasic, Revolution. I've done plenty of
advanced scripting with those tools, and am trying to move into Python
for the open-source benefits, among othe
I'm a developer who primarily works with higher level languages, and
integrated tools. Director, REALbasic, Revolution. I've done plenty of
advanced scripting with those tools, and am trying to move into Python
for the open-source benefits, among other things. I've just ordered
several books which
>> There are several of us that keep a fairly close eye on the
>> python.org wiki. If you want, I'm sure the option to move would be
>> available.
Bob> That works fine for me.. what are the next steps? It would be nice
Bob> to have our own "namespace" so that pythonmac.org/w
On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Mine is not. I'm going to toss it in favor of a mpkg and/or egg
based solution when one is ready.
Sounds good to me. I've always thought that you need to make it easy,
but not too easy. Years ago, someone hosted a "python on Lin
Bob Ippolito wrote:
> I've put together a Mac OS X 10.3 binary installer for PIL 1.1.5b3 available
> here:
> http://undefined.org/python/Imaging-1.1.5b3-py2.3-macosx10.3.zip
most excellent. thanks!
I've included a pointer to your blog entry in the "official" announcement.
__
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Mine is not. I'm going to toss it in favor of a mpkg and/or egg based
solution when one is ready.
Sounds good to me. I've always thought that you need to make it easy,
but not too easy. Years ago, someone hosted a "python on Linux" site,
that had nothing but a bunch of rpm o
On Feb 8, 2005, at 16:41, Skip Montanaro wrote:
has> How about merging it into the python.org wiki? Let someone
else do
has> all the hard work for a change.
That thought occurred to me right after I posted my earlier reply.
There
are several of us that keep a fairly close eye on the pyt
has> How about merging it into the python.org wiki? Let someone else do
has> all the hard work for a change.
That thought occurred to me right after I posted my earlier reply. There
are several of us that keep a fairly close eye on the python.org wiki. If
you want, I'm sure the option t
I've put together a Mac OS X 10.3 binary installer for PIL 1.1.5b3
available here:
http://undefined.org/python/Imaging-1.1.5b3-py2.3-macosx10.3.zip
Details are here:
http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2005/02/08/pil-115b3-for-mac-os-x
-103/
-bob
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On Feb 8, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
My impression of fink (and darwinports may be different, I'll be
checking that out) is that it's kind of an all-or-nothing
proposition. If you want a Linux-like system, running in parallel to
OS-X, on the same kernel, you'll be quite happy. If you
On Feb 8, 2005, at 15:22, Skip Montanaro wrote:
http://pythonmac.org/wiki/TkAqua
Bob> Unfortunately I do.. but I don't really have time to deal
with the
Bob> spam. It has a defense in that existing pages can't be
edited with
Bob> too many URLs, but creating new pages lets you use as
>> http://pythonmac.org/wiki/TkAqua
Bob> Unfortunately I do.. but I don't really have time to deal with the
Bob> spam. It has a defense in that existing pages can't be edited with
Bob> too many URLs, but creating new pages lets you use as many URLs as
Bob> you want. I think
Bob wrote:
I'm not sure who maintain the pythonmac wiki, but it's been
spammed. What a pain in the *&%*^!
Unfortunately I do.. but I don't really have time to deal with the
spam. It has a defense in that existing pages can't be edited with
too many URLs, but creating new pages lets you use as m
On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:57, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
On 8-feb-05, at 15:51, Brendan Simons wrote:
My question: can I use py2app to build a
redistributable app that's statically linked to either
package manager's libraries? Or do I have to install
Fink/DarwinPorts on each of my client
On Feb 8, 2005, at 14:14, Chris Barker wrote:
I'm not sure who maintain the pythonmac wiki, but it's been spammed.
What a pain in the *&%*^!
for example, see:
http://pythonmac.org/wiki/TkAqua
Unfortunately I do.. but I don't really have time to deal with the
spam. It has a defense in that exist
Hi all,
I'm not sure who maintain the pythonmac wiki, but it's been spammed.
What a pain in the *&%*^!
for example, see:
http://pythonmac.org/wiki/TkAqua
-Chris
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Bob Ippolito wrote:
On 8-feb-05, at 15:51, Brendan Simons wrote:
My question: can I use py2app to build a
redistributable app that's statically linked to either
package manager's libraries? Or do I have to install
Fink/DarwinPorts on each of my clients' machines?
If you are distributing a single
On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:35, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 8-feb-05, at 15:51, Brendan Simons wrote:
The conversation about Fink & Darwinports has
introduced me to linuxy package managers for the first
time, and I have to say, this looks much easier than
trying to compile libraries and manage dependencies
On 8-feb-05, at 15:51, Brendan Simons wrote:
The conversation about Fink & Darwinports has
introduced me to linuxy package managers for the first
time, and I have to say, this looks much easier than
trying to compile libraries and manage dependencies
myself.
My question: can I use py2app to build
The conversation about Fink & Darwinports has
introduced me to linuxy package managers for the first
time, and I have to say, this looks much easier than
trying to compile libraries and manage dependencies
myself.
My question: can I use py2app to build a
redistributable app that's statically link
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