[Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python newbies

2005-02-08 Thread Troy Rollins
black and white text editor would seem a bit harsh. Thanks for any insights, suggestions, comments, or reference links. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python newbies

2005-02-08 Thread Troy Rollins
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:59:46 -0500, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Troy Rollins wrote: > > cohesive toolset. There are thousands of individual parts and pieces, > > lots of semi-working IDEs and debuggers... > > Welcome to f

[Pythonmac-SIG] Re: IDE for wxPython

2005-02-08 Thread Troy Rollins
erminal syntax for most of our lives! While I love the fact that we have a unix terminal now, I still don't know my way around it very well yet. Now Lingo... that I know. ;-) -- Troy Rollins www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

[Pythonmac-SIG] Apple installed vs. Manual

2005-02-09 Thread Troy Rollins
vailable modules, fo instance to determine function calls and syntax? Frankly, the language itself looks a lot simpler than maintaining the installation and keeping track of what you have to work with. ;-) -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net _

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Guikits

2005-02-09 Thread Troy Rollins
and do not reflect the way a Mac user would develop anything, never mind a GUI designer. For the most part, I think it is going to take a tool which originates on the Mac to be one which actually looks and behaves like Mac users would expect.... which I suppose is what PyObjC is all

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Apple installed vs. Manual

2005-02-09 Thread Troy Rollins
had an IDE ! I know, it isn't required, but I LIKE them. Especially for apps which have a GUI. I plan to have a look at Eclipse next. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http:

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Guikits

2005-02-09 Thread Troy Rollins
'm talking about is simply the careful layout and consideration of design, not the "by the book GUI".) The concept of an environment like REALbasic, Mac-like GUI designer, editor, debugger, but which uses Python as the language sounds just wonderful to me. That is an environment I cou

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Guikits

2005-02-09 Thread Troy Rollins
ll probably turn out to be a text editor!!) -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Guikits

2005-02-09 Thread Troy Rollins
tors, and allow even those of us who are new to Python to manage the layout of a basic x-plat GUI. Still would like to compare it to boa constructor, but it certainly beats the others I've tried (wxGlade, XRCed) in terms of usability and interface design. -- Troy Rollins RPSystem

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies

2005-02-13 Thread Troy Rollins
one of the most important aspects of maintaining and furthering the language... new developers. Many of which would prefer to get started (at least) within the relative controlled environment of an IDE. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net __

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies

2005-02-13 Thread Troy Rollins
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:12:13 +, Michael Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Troy Rollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I for one, don't care to think of myself in the context of "begger", > > but more so in the context of uninitiated contribu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Python User Newbies

2005-02-13 Thread Troy Rollins
mentioned. They all work pretty buggy in my experience. (Not PyObjC or PyQt... those I have not tried.) -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies

2005-02-14 Thread Troy Rollins
elf out to other potential "markets" beyond the "pioneer crowd" it currently enjoys. Cheers. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython 2.3.5: some basic questions

2005-02-20 Thread Troy Rollins
ng to 2.3.5? Keep using Apple's install otherwise is the recommendation? -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] More on stdin and python scripts in BBEdit and TextWrangler

2005-03-05 Thread Troy Rollins
development that comes with it. Open source, and volunteer efforts are great, but not for the tools that we drive the company on. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pygame installation

2005-03-09 Thread Troy Rollins
ty rough traveling for a newbie. So, thanks for these efforts! -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

[Pythonmac-SIG] Twisted package?

2005-03-10 Thread Troy Rollins
I know Bob is creating and setting up a pyGame installer package to be housed at < http://pythonmac.org/packages/> can we assume that Twisted for OSX will make its way there as well? Thanks! -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsyste

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] GUI design tools

2005-03-10 Thread Troy Rollins
terfaces, you are pretty much going to do it with wx, and code. All of the graphical design tools for doing it are otherwise too buggy or unfinished to be productive. (pyObjC being the exception, but this isn't x-plat.) -- Troy Rollins RPSystems,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: pygame 1.7.0 for Mac OS X 10.3

2005-03-11 Thread Troy Rollins
table." And then it offers only to close, but will not complete running the installer. By the way, where then does one get the missing pyOpenGL? (I feel like Python could be the new Pokemon. Gotta collect all the right pieces!) -- Troy Rollins RPSystems

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] GUI design tools

2005-03-12 Thread Troy Rollins
say, since over the last few years I have converted my entire company to OSX. Time to make room for some Linux boxes, as Linux has commercial tools available. I think many of us want open-source, but commercial tool kits, with commercial refinements and support. -- Troy Rollins RPSy

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] GUI tools--for Troy

2005-03-13 Thread Troy Rollins
erface is required. If I've missed an OSX solution which is even a shadow of something like Komodo, I'd love to see it. Thanks again for listening in, offering suggestions, etc. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: GUI tools--for Troy

2005-03-13 Thread Troy Rollins
ng theKompany doesn't go belly up in the > interim...) Black adder would be a great route. But it can't build for OSX. Am I wrong in thinking that the Tk GUIs created with Komodo on Linux shold be buildable for OSX delivery? Even still, I'll likely use hand-coded wx more often anyway

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] GUI design tools

2005-03-14 Thread Troy Rollins
e I agree that much of the MacPython experience > feels alpha or beta quality, I don't agree that it is fixed at that > level. It has gotten Much, Much better over the last few years, and I > expect to see it keep improving. Ooops. If I implied that it would never get better on O

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] GUI design tools

2005-03-15 Thread Troy Rollins
t; advocate anyway. We'll see. I'm quite happy on OSX generally, but Linux has some appeal as well. At this point, Python is a given, the rest of it is up in the air. ;-) -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.3 vs 2.4

2006-04-15 Thread Troy Rollins
On Apr 15, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Daniel Lord wrote: > The recommended approach (and it used to be the default on install > for MacPython--I beleive it may still be but is optional now) is to > install MacPython in /usr/local/bin leaving Apple's Python 2.3 > intact. Then you put /usr/local/bin in your

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.3 vs 2.4

2006-04-15 Thread Troy Rollins
On Apr 15, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > Is there any particular reason to change it in > MacOSX.environment.plist? What applications do you use that aren't > started from the shell, yet look in $PATH for Python? I've never > seen one, but then again I don't use GUI text editors

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.3 vs 2.4

2006-04-17 Thread Troy Rollins
On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Trent Mick wrote: > ActivePython 2.4.3 should most certainly be considered an install > target > for an extension looking for a "python 2.4.3" to install to. > > And, yes, ActivePython is a framework build/install of Python, just as > are the Apple Python and MacPyt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing wxPython with ActivePython and OSX

2006-04-17 Thread Troy Rollins
On Apr 17, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Trent Mick wrote: > wxPython on the Mac seems to be painful right now. > > 1. You need to get the correct build for your version of Python. For >ActivePython 2.4.x or MacPython 2.4.x that means getting one of the >builds with "-py24" in the package name. Than

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-20 Thread Troy Rollins
On Apr 21, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Daniel Lord wrote: > I have to say: I really like these. Visually distinct, crisp, and > clear. Great work to all of you who have put talents I wish I had in > graphic design to work and produced an outstanding set of icons the > Mac Python community should be proud

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Status of PyObjC port to Intel OS X

2006-05-18 Thread Troy Rollins
On May 16, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Daniel Lord wrote: > Komodo is a commercial product I know but I bought Photoshop and I > figured I get more use out of Komodo so I might as well buy it. No > regrets. I have to agree. Komodo is a pretty sweet IDE. Eclipse is kind of a pig on the Mac, Komodo flies