Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error [PATCH 1/1]
I also debugged this issue today and ended up in the same place -- after enabling the CPUID_DE bit in cpuid.c, I am able to start the Windows 7 x64 installer, but it bluescreens with various messages after a minute or so (with various codes like DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL, KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED, etc.). As far as I can tell, CPUID_DE says whether the CPU supports setting I/O breakpoints (break on in, out, ins, outs), and slightly changes how accesses to DR4 and DR5 behave. This is further controlled by a bit in the CR4 register. TCG does not support this yet; there is a comment in target-i386/helper.c: void hw_breakpoint_insert(CPUState *env, int index) { [...] case 2: /* No support for I/O watchpoints yet */ break; [...] } I doubt this is the root cause of the Win7 x64 bluescreens, though; it seems pretty unlikely that the installer would be trying to use I/O debugging. I'll try to find the time to verify that no code is trying to set CR4.DE, though. So, I would also support having this bit turned on by default so that more people can investigate these crashes. I'll certainly be looking into them when I have time. For what it's worth, Windows 7 32-bit works quite well when running under qemu-system-x86_64. -Brendan For the sake of completeness, here's what I found in Intel's documentation on CPUID_DE, CR4.DE, and I/O breakpoints: Bit 2, DE. Debugging Extensions. Support for I/O breakpoints, including CR4.DE for controlling the feature, and optional trapping of accesses to DR4 and DR5. [...] Debug Registers DR4 and DR5 Debug registers DR4 and DR5 are reserved when debug extensions are enabled (when the DE flag in control register CR4 is set) and attempts to reference the DR4 and DR5 registers cause invalid-opcode exceptions (#UD). When debug extensions are not enabled (when the DE flag is clear), these registers are aliased to debug registers DR6 and DR7. [...] Debug Control Register (DR7) [...] R/W0 through R/W3 (read/write) fields (bits 16, 17, 20, 21, 24, 25, 28, and 29) — Specifies the breakpoint condition for the corresponding breakpoint. The DE (debug extensions) flag in control register CR4 determines how the bits in the R/Wn fields are interpreted. When the DE flag is set, the processor interprets bits as follows: 00 -- Break on instruction execution only. 01 -- Break on data writes only. 10 -- Break on I/O reads or writes. 11 -- Break on data reads or writes but not instruction fetches. When the DE flag is clear, the processor interprets the R/Wn bits the same as for the Intel386TM and Intel486TM processors, which is as follows: 00 -- Break on instruction execution only. 01 -- Break on data writes only. 10 -- Undefined. 11 -- Break on data reads or writes but not instruction fetches. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:27:35AM -0700, Clemens Kolbitsch wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 06:23:43PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error [PATCH 1/1]
Brendan, I was also getting the same BSOD error codes. I was very busy with other stuff recently, so I pretty much didn't get any further than what I said in my last mail. But I'm more than happy helping out if you need anything debugging this. Just let me know -Clemens On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Brendan Dolan-Gavitt brenda...@gatech.edu wrote: I also debugged this issue today and ended up in the same place -- after enabling the CPUID_DE bit in cpuid.c, I am able to start the Windows 7 x64 installer, but it bluescreens with various messages after a minute or so (with various codes like DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL, KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED, etc.). As far as I can tell, CPUID_DE says whether the CPU supports setting I/O breakpoints (break on in, out, ins, outs), and slightly changes how accesses to DR4 and DR5 behave. This is further controlled by a bit in the CR4 register. TCG does not support this yet; there is a comment in target-i386/helper.c: void hw_breakpoint_insert(CPUState *env, int index) { [...] case 2: /* No support for I/O watchpoints yet */ break; [...] } I doubt this is the root cause of the Win7 x64 bluescreens, though; it seems pretty unlikely that the installer would be trying to use I/O debugging. I'll try to find the time to verify that no code is trying to set CR4.DE, though. So, I would also support having this bit turned on by default so that more people can investigate these crashes. I'll certainly be looking into them when I have time. For what it's worth, Windows 7 32-bit works quite well when running under qemu-system-x86_64. -Brendan For the sake of completeness, here's what I found in Intel's documentation on CPUID_DE, CR4.DE, and I/O breakpoints: Bit 2, DE. Debugging Extensions. Support for I/O breakpoints, including CR4.DE for controlling the feature, and optional trapping of accesses to DR4 and DR5. [...] Debug Registers DR4 and DR5 Debug registers DR4 and DR5 are reserved when debug extensions are enabled (when the DE flag in control register CR4 is set) and attempts to reference the DR4 and DR5 registers cause invalid-opcode exceptions (#UD). When debug extensions are not enabled (when the DE flag is clear), these registers are aliased to debug registers DR6 and DR7. [...] Debug Control Register (DR7) [...] R/W0 through R/W3 (read/write) fields (bits 16, 17, 20, 21, 24, 25, 28, and 29) — Specifies the breakpoint condition for the corresponding breakpoint. The DE (debug extensions) flag in control register CR4 determines how the bits in the R/Wn fields are interpreted. When the DE flag is set, the processor interprets bits as follows: 00 -- Break on instruction execution only. 01 -- Break on data writes only. 10 -- Break on I/O reads or writes. 11 -- Break on data reads or writes but not instruction fetches. When the DE flag is clear, the processor interprets the R/Wn bits the same as for the Intel386TM and Intel486TM processors, which is as follows: 00 -- Break on instruction execution only. 01 -- Break on data writes only. 10 -- Undefined. 11 -- Break on data reads or writes but not instruction fetches. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:27:35AM -0700, Clemens Kolbitsch wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 06:23:43PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error [PATCH 1/1]
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 06:23:43PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in QEMU :-) other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */ Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Well the CPU flags are supposed to represent what a code can use. If we announce things that we don't support, some code might enable some features or instructions that are just causing an illegal instruction. Now the question is to know if DE is implemented in TCG or not. It *seems* there are some parts implemented, but not fully. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net Aurelien, I understand
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error [PATCH 1/1]
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:27:35AM -0700, Clemens Kolbitsch wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 06:23:43PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in QEMU :-) other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */ Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Well the CPU flags are supposed to represent what a code can use. If we announce things that we don't support, some code might enable some features or instructions that are just causing an illegal instruction. Now the question is to know if DE is implemented in TCG or not. It *seems* there
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error [PATCH 1/1]
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:27:35AM -0700, Clemens Kolbitsch wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 06:23:43PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in QEMU :-) other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */ Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Well the CPU flags are supposed to represent what a code can use. If we announce things that we don't support, some code might enable some features or instructions that are just causing an illegal instruction.
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in QEMU :-) other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */ Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Regards, Stefan
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in QEMU :-) other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */ Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Stefan, could you tell me what QEMU ( ;-) ) HW configuration you use for your testing? I'm able to boot, but it still is very unstable - after a few seconds of running, I still run into BSODs. I think it's independent of the bug I was working on, but I'd like to test some more. BTW, I'm actually quite confident that the missing CPU-ID bit caused the 0x5D booting BSOD, since I took two kernel boot traces (one of QEMU stable crashing and a working VM) and the location the traces branched off from each other was where the CPU-ID bits were checked (and this one feature bit was the only thing that was not set
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 06:23:43PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 10.09.2012 08:19, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Clemens Kolbitsch kolbit...@lastline.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) After a first night of debugging, I have come up with a simple patch. I'm still testing and it seems it's not the ultimate solution yet (there are still bluescreens), but it already gets you much further while booting (using either the install CD or an actual image). This diffs against the current stable-1.1. As you can see, one of the feature bits of the CPUID are removed due to TCG not supporting them (or the TCG bitmask is just missing them). Since Qemu uses CPUID_DE in QEMU :-) other locations, I'm assuming the bitmask is just wrong. Can someone confirm that TCG supports CPUID_DE ? If not, I'll need to work on this, otherwise I'll investigate why Win7 still crashes with a BSOD. Thanks! Clemens qemu$ git diff diff --git a/target-i386/cpu.c b/target-i386/cpu.c index 388bc5c..f2af36d 100644 --- a/target-i386/cpu.c +++ b/target-i386/cpu.c @@ -259,7 +259,8 @@ typedef struct x86_def_t { CPUID_PAE | CPUID_MCE | CPUID_CX8 | CPUID_APIC | CPUID_SEP | \ CPUID_MTRR | CPUID_PGE | CPUID_MCA | CPUID_CMOV | CPUID_PAT | \ CPUID_PSE36 | CPUID_CLFLUSH | CPUID_ACPI | CPUID_MMX | \ - CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS) + CPUID_FXSR | CPUID_SSE | CPUID_SSE2 | CPUID_SS | \ + CPUID_DE) /* needed by Win7 64bit */ /* partly implemented: CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH (needed for Win64) CPUID_PSE36 (needed for Solaris) */ Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Well the CPU flags are supposed to represent what a code can use. If we announce things that we don't support, some code might enable some features or instructions that are just causing an illegal instruction. Now the question is to know if DE is implemented in TCG or not. It *seems* there are some parts implemented, but not fully. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
Am 10.09.2012 19:20, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Hi Clemens, indeed, it looks like CPUID_DE fixes that BSOD with STOP 0x005D In my test scenario Windows now reboots instead of showing the BSOD. This commit added the TCG feature bit trimming which broke Windows: commit 551a2dec8fa55006a68393b9d6fb63577d2b3f1c Autor:Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Do Mär 11 14:39:03 2010 Eintragender:Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Sa Mär 13 16:50:54 2010 x86/cpuid: add TCG feature bit trimming In KVM we trim the user provided CPUID bits to match the host CPU's one. Introduce a similar feature to QEMU/TCG. Create a mask of TCG's capabilities and apply it to the user bits. This allows to let the CPU models reflect their native archetypes. Signed-off-by: Andre Przywara andre.przyw...@amd.com Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net Andre, why don't we set the requested feature bits - no matter what TCG provides? Stefan, could you tell me what QEMU ( ;-) ) HW configuration you use for your testing? I'm able to boot, but it still is very unstable - after a few seconds of running, I still run into BSODs. I think it's independent of the bug I was working on, but I'd like to test some more. I run qemu-system-x86_64 (latest from git) withthe default CPU on a 64 bit Windows 7 host. QEMU uses that host's installation: qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1024 -snapshot -hda //PhysicalDrive/0 BTW, I'm actually quite confident that the missing CPU-ID bit caused the 0x5D booting BSOD, since I took two kernel boot traces (one of QEMU stable crashing and a working VM) and the location the traces branched off from each other was where the CPU-ID bits were checked (and this one feature bit was the only thing that was not set properly for the check to succeed). -Clemens CPUID_DE is part of the PENTIUM_FEATURES macro, therefore I think it's a very old feature which was already supported by the Pentium CPU family. No wonder Windows complains when it is missing. This and maybe some more bits (there is a comment 'needed for Win64' for CPUID_MTRR, CPUID_MCA, CPUID_CLFLUSH which were also removed) should be set in TCG mode (as they are set with KVM). There remain two questions: * Do we need some TCG implementation for those bits? * Should the patch which adds CPUID_DEagain be committed before the other question was answered? Any patch in this area should also be sent to qemu-stable: this BSOD with Windows guests running on QEMU occurs rather often (just run a search on a web search engine to get many hits). Regards, Stefan
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Weil s...@weilnetz.de wrote: Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Hi Stefan, thanks for the info. I'll work on it then - hopefully I can come back with a patch soon! PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-) hehe, old habbit :) I'll try to remember - but why is the ML then called Qemu-devel ? ;) -Clemens
[Qemu-devel] Qemu (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens
Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU (no kvm) Win7 (64bit) boot error
Am 08.09.2012 02:48, schrieb Clemens Kolbitsch: Hi guys, I need to run Win7 64bit in Qemu without KVM support. I found a few messages concerning the unsupported architecture problem (Windows shows a BSOD with STOP 0x005D ... on boot), for example http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg01623.html or http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/92457 but I don't think there was ever a solution to the problem - at least what is proposed does not work (I've tried stable and GIT versions). Since I have a decent background of modifying the Qemu internals, I'm more than happy to contribute to solving this issue, but I'm not sure if anyone is currently working on it (i.e., I don't want to start at 0 in case someone is about to release a patch). Please let me know if there is already a know solution/workaround or whoever might be working on it, please ping me so we can sync. BTW, in case this is necessary, here are the details of what I need/what is not working: Qemu: current git-trunk, x86_64-softmmu$ ./qemu-system-x86_64 --version QEMU emulator version 1.2.50, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard host: 64bit, Ubuntu LTS12.04 guest: 64bit Windows 7, no KVM possible Thanks! -Clemens Hi Clemens, AFAIK, nobody is working on this issue which exists for a long time now. It would be great if you could find a solution to make QEMU without KVM work with Windows guests. Regards, Stefan W. PS: It's QEMU, not Qemu. I modified the subject in my reply :-)