Re: [QGIS-Developer] "Early Adopter" release
Hi thanks for your comment Whilst aware of issues with 3.x I have migrated most of my projects to it as it seems to be stable enough for everyday work. I am considering installing the development build onto one of my computers. I also migrated all the shapefiles to geopackage as this appears to be stable enough for production work as well. Since there have been problems lately using shapefiles over a SMB network we hope the Geopackage database works more stably over a network. So far so good - just aware we don't seem to be having much conversation on the redmine site lately :):):) On 07/07/18 19:17, Andreas Neumann wrote: Hi Patrick, QGIS 3.x has major changes under the hood: - Change from qt4 to qt5 - QGIS internal API changes - Change from Python 2 to Python 3 - Completely rewritten: QGIS server, Print composer/layouts, Processing - All Python plugins have to be changed and adopted to the above listed changes With so many changes it is only expected that new issues and problems arise with the introduction of QGIS 3. That's why QGIS 3 is named "early adopter release". On the other hand the devs, and also co-funded by QGIS.ORG, invested a lot of time in fixing issues. And maybe you have noticed that QGIS 3.2 doesn't have this label any more. Version 3.4 is planned as an LT release. 3.4 is scheduled for end of October. See https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/roadmap.html#release-schedule So with 3.4 we expect to be on a stable, at least as good (but most likely much better) than 2.18, which is our previous LT release. If you are cautious and need to rely on stable versions, I recommend rolling out 3.4 after one or two bug fix releases, so maybe at the end of year 2018. However, I personally used version 3.x for quite a long time and I am quite happy with it. Also note, that you can always install and use QGIS 2.x and 3.x in parallel. --- As to your other question: "when do you expect to have made major inroads into the bugs backlog": This is a hard question. The bug queue will never be empty and always contain open issues. On the other hand, there are also issues in the queue that are hard or impossible to reproduce and the bug reporter did not provide enough information to fix the issues. The QGIS.ORG project is investing a five-figure Euro investment (usually 15-40k €) for each release to pay a few core developers to fix the most pressing issues. We do realize that this is not enough, but it is the best we can do with the limited funds. To help improve the situation, we encourage users of QGIS to do either of the following: - help improve the quality of bug reports (really, it can help a lot if bug reporters do an effort to describe the issues well enough to reproduce, including data and a project file - become a sponsor (see https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html#qgis-sponsorship-program and https://www.qgis.org/en/site/about/sponsorship.html#sponsors-and-donors for our list of current sponsors, ideally with an annual renewal commitment - become a one-time donor - establish a support contract with a company, preferable with a company that has core QGIS commiters. See https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html#core-contributors - with such a contract you can prioritize - hire a developers to specifically fix the issues you have (or if you have the skills, you can fix issues yourself) Or any combination of the above. If a large enough number of users supports us in one or more of the above ways, I am sure we can keep QGIS in a good shape for many years to come. It is the users who decide about the fate of QGIS. If the users stop to support QGIS, QGIS will die. If enough users will support QGIS, it will thrive, as I think it did in the past couple years. Hope this information helps, Greetings from Andreas (QGIS PSC member) Am 07.07.2018 um 06:20 schrieb Patrick Dunford: Can someone please explain to me why Qgis 3.0 banner is named "early adopter release" In other words what stage of development is Qgis 3.0 expected to be at in terms of user experience. As a related question how many bugs do you expect to fix for each release and at what point do you expect to have made major inroads into the bugs backlog. Thanks ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info:
Re: [QGIS-Developer] "Early Adopter" release
Hi again, Patrick, Some other thoughts: I recently visited the SWISS PGDAY (organized by Swiss PostgreSQL user group). The very interesting keynote was by Bruce Momjian - a long time core contributor of PostgreSQL. The title of the keynote was "Will PostgreSQL live forever?" Some answers to this hard to answer question are: - Forever, is a long time ;-) - It is up to the users and developers to decide whether PostgreSQL stays relevant or will be made irrelevant by other - there is no management that decides it. It is the users who decide it. - the good news is: as Open Source organizations we are not at the mercy of financial investors or have to react to quarterly statements. This makes us, much much more likely to live longer than commercial alternatives. - commercial companies: if the owners/investors got enough money out of the product they may loose interest or decide that a new feature a customer demands costs only money and not bring enough profit. So, it is the owners and the management of the product who decide what gets into the product, whereas with OpenSource the users and developers have more power over such decisions. - the other good news is: neither PostgreSQL nor QGIS can be bought by another company (only the companies of the core contributors can be bought). Luckily, in neither project a single company has too much power over development of the projects. If one company ceases or is bought and shut-down, there are plenty of other devs and companies who can take over - if the users want that. - in worst case scenarios, projects can still be forked Greetings, Andreas Am 07.07.2018 um 06:20 schrieb Patrick Dunford: Can someone please explain to me why Qgis 3.0 banner is named "early adopter release" In other words what stage of development is Qgis 3.0 expected to be at in terms of user experience. As a related question how many bugs do you expect to fix for each release and at what point do you expect to have made major inroads into the bugs backlog. Thanks ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [QGIS-Developer] "Early Adopter" release
Hi Patrick, QGIS 3.x has major changes under the hood: - Change from qt4 to qt5 - QGIS internal API changes - Change from Python 2 to Python 3 - Completely rewritten: QGIS server, Print composer/layouts, Processing - All Python plugins have to be changed and adopted to the above listed changes With so many changes it is only expected that new issues and problems arise with the introduction of QGIS 3. That's why QGIS 3 is named "early adopter release". On the other hand the devs, and also co-funded by QGIS.ORG, invested a lot of time in fixing issues. And maybe you have noticed that QGIS 3.2 doesn't have this label any more. Version 3.4 is planned as an LT release. 3.4 is scheduled for end of October. See https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/roadmap.html#release-schedule So with 3.4 we expect to be on a stable, at least as good (but most likely much better) than 2.18, which is our previous LT release. If you are cautious and need to rely on stable versions, I recommend rolling out 3.4 after one or two bug fix releases, so maybe at the end of year 2018. However, I personally used version 3.x for quite a long time and I am quite happy with it. Also note, that you can always install and use QGIS 2.x and 3.x in parallel. --- As to your other question: "when do you expect to have made major inroads into the bugs backlog": This is a hard question. The bug queue will never be empty and always contain open issues. On the other hand, there are also issues in the queue that are hard or impossible to reproduce and the bug reporter did not provide enough information to fix the issues. The QGIS.ORG project is investing a five-figure Euro investment (usually 15-40k €) for each release to pay a few core developers to fix the most pressing issues. We do realize that this is not enough, but it is the best we can do with the limited funds. To help improve the situation, we encourage users of QGIS to do either of the following: - help improve the quality of bug reports (really, it can help a lot if bug reporters do an effort to describe the issues well enough to reproduce, including data and a project file - become a sponsor (see https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html#qgis-sponsorship-program and https://www.qgis.org/en/site/about/sponsorship.html#sponsors-and-donors for our list of current sponsors, ideally with an annual renewal commitment - become a one-time donor - establish a support contract with a company, preferable with a company that has core QGIS commiters. See https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html#core-contributors - with such a contract you can prioritize - hire a developers to specifically fix the issues you have (or if you have the skills, you can fix issues yourself) Or any combination of the above. If a large enough number of users supports us in one or more of the above ways, I am sure we can keep QGIS in a good shape for many years to come. It is the users who decide about the fate of QGIS. If the users stop to support QGIS, QGIS will die. If enough users will support QGIS, it will thrive, as I think it did in the past couple years. Hope this information helps, Greetings from Andreas (QGIS PSC member) Am 07.07.2018 um 06:20 schrieb Patrick Dunford: Can someone please explain to me why Qgis 3.0 banner is named "early adopter release" In other words what stage of development is Qgis 3.0 expected to be at in terms of user experience. As a related question how many bugs do you expect to fix for each release and at what point do you expect to have made major inroads into the bugs backlog. Thanks ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
[QGIS-Developer] "Early Adopter" release
Can someone please explain to me why Qgis 3.0 banner is named "early adopter release" In other words what stage of development is Qgis 3.0 expected to be at in terms of user experience. As a related question how many bugs do you expect to fix for each release and at what point do you expect to have made major inroads into the bugs backlog. Thanks ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
