Re: [Qgis-developer] Funding projects

[Nathan Woodrow]

+1 for always opt-in, and also a good way to back to opt-out if you opt-in
by mistake.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde 
wrote:

> On 17-10-16 09:53, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> >> * a list of current crowd funding projects and their funding progress
> >> > * a panel for us to directly send notifications to users e.g. 'QGIS
> >> > 2.14.7 is out, please upgrade!'
> > That's already in place. Information is read from
> > https://ubuntu.qgis.org/version.txt
> >
> > It could be improved to fetch different files based on LTR/Non-LTR.
> >
> >> > * links for funding and sponsoring QGIS
> > In general I am in favor of adding all this to the welcome page. It can
> > be used to unobtrusively raise awareness and it's easy to disable if
> > some people don't like it.
>
> My 2ct:
>
> I still find it strange that we are allowed to try to retrieve
> version.txt without notice, given some time ago when we had the idea to
> do an anonymous ping-back to have a clue about users/downloads, and we
> were heavily criticized for that idea...
> Myself I already had some practical problems with the version.txt. In a
> school/organisation which is not 'able' to upgrade, you every time see
> the message: "You can upgrade!..." but they can't and shouldn't...
> Another issue I saw when you start up a centrally installed QGIS as new
> user you get an error because QGIS tries to retrieve version.txt but is
> not able because there is not proxy defined yet...
>
> To make myself even more clear: I'm in favor for both
> - QGIS pinging back (and give us some anonymous info about OS,
> installer, use, version, userhash etc)
> - the use of news feeds like Mathias proposes (but please let it be rst
> and easily translatable)
>
> But ONLY after(!) a clear 'YES' by the user, in which he/she gives a
> fiat for sending and receiving such info... I think the average QGIS
> user is OK with it if we make it clear enough that for the project it is
> important to have insight in such info.
>
> I would favor opt-in and not opt-out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Funding projects

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 17-10-16 09:53, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> * a list of current crowd funding projects and their funding progress
>> > * a panel for us to directly send notifications to users e.g. 'QGIS
>> > 2.14.7 is out, please upgrade!'
> That's already in place. Information is read from
> https://ubuntu.qgis.org/version.txt
> 
> It could be improved to fetch different files based on LTR/Non-LTR.
> 
>> > * links for funding and sponsoring QGIS
> In general I am in favor of adding all this to the welcome page. It can
> be used to unobtrusively raise awareness and it's easy to disable if
> some people don't like it.

My 2ct:

I still find it strange that we are allowed to try to retrieve
version.txt without notice, given some time ago when we had the idea to
do an anonymous ping-back to have a clue about users/downloads, and we
were heavily criticized for that idea...
Myself I already had some practical problems with the version.txt. In a
school/organisation which is not 'able' to upgrade, you every time see
the message: "You can upgrade!..." but they can't and shouldn't...
Another issue I saw when you start up a centrally installed QGIS as new
user you get an error because QGIS tries to retrieve version.txt but is
not able because there is not proxy defined yet...

To make myself even more clear: I'm in favor for both
- QGIS pinging back (and give us some anonymous info about OS,
installer, use, version, userhash etc)
- the use of news feeds like Mathias proposes (but please let it be rst
and easily translatable)

But ONLY after(!) a clear 'YES' by the user, in which he/she gives a
fiat for sending and receiving such info... I think the average QGIS
user is OK with it if we make it clear enough that for the project it is
important to have insight in such info.

I would favor opt-in and not opt-out.

Regards,

Richard
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Funding projects

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi

On 10/16/2016 09:06 AM, Tim Sutton wrote:
> Hi
> 
>> On 06 Oct 2016, at 10:26 AM, Paolo Cavallini > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> One more thing we have been discussing is to include a link to that info
>> directly in the QGIS interface, for an easier discovery by the hundreds
>> of thousands users that never visit our blogs, ML, etc.
>> Of course we should find the right balance between visibility and
>> unobtrusiveness.
> 
> Given how effective our post-download pop up is on the web site, I think
> that using our first open page to 'speak' to our users is definitely
> something to resurrect. It would be great to provide:
> 
> * a list of recent projects (as we have now)
> * a list of recent blog articles from planet.qgis.org
> 

The original welcome page had that but it wasn't well received, so I
removed it again in

https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/commit/95c377a607757b4cc9d03a6e399b5516d0b44dcd

> * a list of current crowd funding projects and their funding progress
> * a panel for us to directly send notifications to users e.g. 'QGIS
> 2.14.7 is out, please upgrade!'

That's already in place. Information is read from
https://ubuntu.qgis.org/version.txt

It could be improved to fetch different files based on LTR/Non-LTR.

> * links for funding and sponsoring QGIS

In general I am in favor of adding all this to the welcome page. It can
be used to unobtrusively raise awareness and it's easy to disable if
some people don't like it.

Matthias

> 
> I think it is also worth speaking to Nyall about his crowd funding
> experiences - last I chatted to him he had some doubts as to whether it
> is a really effective tool at the moment. Perhaps getting the publicity
> on the app opening view might fix that
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> All the best.
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Funding projects

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 16/10/2016 09:06, Tim Sutton ha scritto:

> Given how effective our post-download pop up is on the web site, I think
> that using our first open page to 'speak' to our users is definitely
> something to resurrect. It would be great to provide:
> 
> * a list of recent projects (as we have now)
> * a list of recent blog articles from planet.qgis.org
> 
> * a list of current crowd funding projects and their funding progress
> * a panel for us to directly send notifications to users e.g. 'QGIS
> 2.14.7 is out, please upgrade!'
> * links for funding and sponsoring QGIS
> 
> I think it is also worth speaking to Nyall about his crowd funding
> experiences - last I chatted to him he had some doubts as to whether it
> is a really effective tool at the moment. Perhaps getting the publicity
> on the app opening view might fix that

Agreed fully. Thanks Tim!

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Funding projects

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 06/10/2016 09:21, Neumann, Andreas ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that a small thing that we could do and which would already
> help is to maintain a list of current projects that need funding - and
> add the contact information of the developer, who wants to work on it.
> Maybe we could re-use the QEPs and publish a list of current QEPs and
> add financial/contact information. And then delegate all the financials
> to the dev. In addition, we could advertise these projects on social
> media and amont the local QGIS user groups. The dev can then decide
> whether he wants to deal with really small donations or whether he wants
> to set a minimum amount to contributions.
> 
> It would be a simple and effective way to make such projects more
> visible to the public, while not adding a lot of bureaucracy.

Agreed fully, also my thought.

One more thing we have been discussing is to include a link to that info
directly in the QGIS interface, for an easier discovery by the hundreds
of thousands users that never visit our blogs, ML, etc.
Of course we should find the right balance between visibility and
unobtrusiveness.
All the best.

-- 
Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu
QGIS & PostGIS courses: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Funding projects

[Neumann, Andreas]

Hi, 

I believe that a small thing that we could do and which would already
help is to maintain a list of current projects that need funding - and
add the contact information of the developer, who wants to work on it.
Maybe we could re-use the QEPs and publish a list of current QEPs and
add financial/contact information. And then delegate all the financials
to the dev. In addition, we could advertise these projects on social
media and amont the local QGIS user groups. The dev can then decide
whether he wants to deal with really small donations or whether he wants
to set a minimum amount to contributions. 

It would be a simple and effective way to make such projects more
visible to the public, while not adding a lot of bureaucracy. 

Also - if we would do all the financials through QGIS.ORG it would mean
a lot of work for me and we'd have to deal with tax issues, different
country laws, etc. - something I would like to avoid. And in general the
targetted donations would usually not meet the overall target, etc. It
is better if the dev who wants to work on an improvement would deal with
such issues. 

Andreas 

On 2016-10-06 09:05, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

> Il 06/10/2016 07:37, Neumann, Andreas ha scritto:
> 
>> So far, our (QGIS.ORG/QGIS-CH) financial resources for 2016 are
>> exhausted. Of course, if someone wants to work on this on his free time
>> or finds another sponsor, it would be very nice if this could make it
>> into QGIS 3.x rather sooner than later.
> 
> Sorry to hijack this thread. Should we resurrect the discussion about
> setting up targeted donations for specific projects?
> All the best.

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