Hi
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 13/10/2014 11:01 pm, Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I don't think that this is the message that QGIS wants to spread. If it
would be, we would do popups that ask you to sponsor
Hi
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Tim Sutton t...@kartoza.com wrote:
Hi
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Regards,
Matthias
+1 . Can I request that the psc please make a final ruling about this
issue so that we can close this discussion
-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Larry Shaffer
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:58 AM
To: Alessandro Pasotti
Cc: QGIS Developer Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Please stop spamming commit logs!
Hi Alessandro,
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014
, 2014 12:58 AM
*To:* Alessandro Pasotti
*Cc:* QGIS Developer Mailing List
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-developer] Please stop spamming commit logs!
Hi Alessandro,
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de
2014-10-13 13:23 GMT+02:00 Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com:
I guess no fiscale advantage there are for any funding GFOSS.
So seeing to fiscale advantage the fund to GFOSS are fund lost.
I guess however that if a developer named Count zero give some code
developed by its own.
Why dont write
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Moules j.mou...@hrwallingford.com
wrote:
At the risk of being a dissenting voice, is this really the message QGIS
wants to spread? That sponsorship is king? As an Open Source GIS project, I
would hope that its prowess lay in producing exceptional GI
Every single log line has the committer's GitHub name so it isn't anonymous.
I know, but that also includes the paid-for devs; my point was that if QGIS
wishes to highlight those paying for work with money, then highlighting those
paying for work with time seems fair too.
Other than that, I'm
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-developer] Please stop spamming commit logs!
Hi Alessandro,
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Alessandro Pasotti
apaso...@gmail.com mailto:apaso...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de
mailto:j...@norbit.de:
Hi Matthias,
On Fri, 10
On 13/10/2014 11:01 pm, Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I don't think that this is the message that QGIS wants to spread. If it
would be, we would do popups that ask you to sponsor for every new
feature you created ;-)
But as you state, sponsorship is a means to an
Honestly. I don't really think it's that big of a deal. If you pay for
something in your time and would like credit for it there are lots of ways
to get credit: blogs, twitters, commit logs, github stats. If I do
something and I want people to think oh look a new feature Nathan added
(or someone
On 13-10-14 14:09, Nyall Dawson wrote:
+1 . Can I request that the psc please make a final ruling about this
issue so that we can close this discussion and all move on?
Speaking here with my PSC hat on |:-)
Nice example of a 'community discussion/rise-up' I think, but as noted
by Anita
Hi,
Le lundi 13 octobre 2014 14:12:08, Nathan Woodrow a écrit :
[..]
The reality is this:
1) Some companies want to see it for record, or contract.
2) It doesn't pollute the log
3) It's at the bottom so you don't see it unless you do a full log (git log
--oneline if you didn't know you can
Hi,
I noticed that somebody started to add commercials to commit logs:
Sponsored by
Funded by ...
etc. etc.
We should take this seriously, mostly ever developer works for a
company or run its own business.
Imagine if everybody starts adding those (not really useful) sentences
to every
Hi Alessandro.
+1 .
Almost because I guess the Public Administration should be stop di
wast resources in gfoss.
:)
So the private could use their money as like better.
Instead the public should simply acquire licenses of commecial.
This could resolve any problem.
Dont ?
A.
2014-10-10 9:11
2014-10-10 9:30 GMT+02:00 Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com:
Hi Alessandro.
+1 .
Almost because I guess the Public Administration should be stop di
wast resources in gfoss.
:)
So the private could use their money as like better.
Instead the public should simply acquire licenses of
Hi Alessandro,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 09:11:46 +0200, Alessandro Pasotti wrote:
I noticed that somebody started to add commercials to commit logs:
Sponsored by
Funded by ...
etc. etc.
We should take this seriously, mostly ever developer works for a
company or run its own
2014-10-10 9:30 GMT+02:00 G. Allegri gioha...@gmail.com:
Hi Alessandro,
we surely can find a better way but I don't see any solution at the moment
when an institution wants to have an official track of what has been
developed with their funding.
What about release notes? Changelog ?
--
On 10 October 2014 18:11, Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that somebody started to add commercials to commit logs:
Sponsored by
Funded by ...
etc. etc.
We should take this seriously, mostly ever developer works for a
company or run its own business.
The question is that whn we use an european fund to fund a develope
for gfoss (like qgis).
The enhancement is an advantace for all.
This is a certain.
But the European require to certificate the reality of the Fund
putting a disclaimer on the product realized.
Otherwise no fund at all.
I guess
I'm with Nyall. I see no direct reason this is a bad idea. If I do
something in my free time I don't care about getting recognition for it
because my direct work on the project is enough and if someone wants to see
what I do they can check my commit history or blog, however if I commit
[mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Nyall Dawson
Sendt: 10. oktober 2014 09:51
Til: Alessandro Pasotti
Cc: QGIS Developer Mailing List
Emne: Re: [Qgis-developer] Please stop spamming commit logs!
On 10 October 2014 18:11, Alessandro Pasotti
apaso...@gmail.commailto:apaso
I agree with Nathan and Nyall. The commit history isn't a very
official thing, so there is some room for attribution and other
additional information.
Personally I prefer a meaningful commit message with some spam in it
over a commit message that contains (almost) no useful information like
2014-10-10 10:09 GMT+02:00 Lene Fischer l...@ign.ku.dk:
I agree to Nyall –
We need sponsors. And sponsors don´t want to be in footnotes fontsize 6.5
Agreed, see the footer the home page
http://www.qgis.org/it/site/
Right now I´ve started to get sponsors to the next
Considering that one of QGIS' main source of funding for development is
through financial sponsorship of _independent_ developers, I'd be very
careful not to take decisions that would hurt that ecosystem without asking
those independent developers the reasoning behind leaving a trace in the
commit
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:18:53AM +0200, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
I agree with Nathan and Nyall. The commit history isn't a very
official thing, so there is some room for attribution and other
additional information.
Personally I prefer a meaningful commit message with some spam in
it over a
As Jürgen mentioned, we discussed this:
http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_7_Feb_2014
My interpretation is that the PSC agreed on allowing giving credit to
funders in commit messages. Obviously I promised to write something
along these lines in the governance docs, but that might
...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Lene Fischer
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:09 AM
To: Nyall Dawson; Alessandro Pasotti
Cc: QGIS Developer Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Please stop spamming commit logs!
I agree to Nyall –
We need sponsors. And sponsors don´t want to be in footnotes fontsize 6.5
Hi Anita,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:26:57 +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
As Jürgen mentioned, we discussed this:
http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_7_Feb_2014
My interpretation is that the PSC agreed on allowing giving credit to
funders in commit messages. Obviously I promised to
My guideline in all this would be:
What harm is it doing to need to change what is currently happening? To me
the answer is none.
Provided you don't put it all on one line in the commit log and have it at
the bottom then put what ever you like in there as long as I can see what
was done and by
To make an example, this is a good commit message.
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/commit/a132bc9a9e318c2321c8fba13dc9503b4d11e2aa
It states
* which problem it solves
* and what it does exactly
And I could not care less about an additional line at the bottom stating
Funded by John Wayne
-
2014-10-10 11:49 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de:
Hi Anita,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:26:57 +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
As Jürgen mentioned, we discussed this:
http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_7_Feb_2014
My interpretation is that the PSC agreed on allowing giving credit to
Do we have a problem? What kind of?
Is a funded (with money) feature more worth than a feature or bugfix
sponsored by a developer's private time?
On 10/10/2014 11:54 AM, Alessandro Pasotti wrote:
2014-10-10 11:49 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de:
Hi Anita,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at
2014-10-10 11:58 GMT+02:00 Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch:
Do we have a problem? What kind of?
There was an IF condition in front of my sentence:
IF every developer starts .
THEN we have a problem
And the problem would be flooding of commit logs with Funded|Sponsored by ...
I can
I personally do not see any problem in having a Sponsored by bottom line
even in every commit message. Maybe not the most correct thing to do, but
it doesn't bother me, just like it doesn't bother me to see the author of
the commit. As long as the first line of the message (which is the one
shown
On 10/10/2014 8:58 pm, Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch wrote:
Do we have a problem? What kind of?
Is a funded (with money) feature more worth than a feature or bugfix
sponsored by a developer's private time?
Agreed. If I spend 2 hours of my free time fixing a bug, I think i'd be
entitled
Also we should avoid playing the What If game. It's not normally a good
idea because it's a open ended question. My position is normally fix a
problem when it becomes a problem. (This only applies to non life
threatening situations of course).
- Nathan
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Nyall
On 10 October 2014 21:24, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/10/2014 8:58 pm, Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch wrote:
Do we have a problem? What kind of?
Is a funded (with money) feature more worth than a feature or bugfix
sponsored by a developer's private time?
Agreed.
Hi Jürgen,
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de wrote:
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:26:57 +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
As Jürgen mentioned, we discussed this:
http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_7_Feb_2014
My interpretation is that the PSC agreed on allowing
Hi Alessandro,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:54:06 +0200, Alessandro Pasotti wrote:
My original complaint was not about occasional big new features fundings (see
regione Toscana or city of Uster) but day-by-day small bug fixes or changes
made by regular committers.
If every developer start
Hi Matthias,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:53:28 +0200, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
To make an example, this is a good commit message.
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/commit/a132bc9a9e318c2321c8fba13dc9503b4d11e2aa
It states
* which problem it solves
* and what it does exactly
And I could not care
2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de:
Hi Matthias,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:53:28 +0200, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
To make an example, this is a good commit message.
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/commit/a132bc9a9e318c2321c8fba13dc9503b4d11e2aa
It states
* which problem it
Hi Alessandro,
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de:
Hi Matthias,
On Fri, 10. Oct 2014 at 11:53:28 +0200, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
To make an example, this is a good commit message.
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