Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Mathieu Pellerin
Anita, Thanks for pointing out QEP#4, I wasn't aware of it. Tim has done an impressive work there. The above-mentioned QEP is a long term thing, what I was suggesting is a very short term (i.e. 2 cycles) proposal to try and satisfy the current needs for stability and devlopment momentum. I also

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Luca Manganelli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Geo DrinX geodr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yes yes. +1 but also +999 :) And why not + ? ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Martin Dobias
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Luca Manganelli luc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Geo DrinX geodr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yes yes. +1 but also +999 :) And why not + ? Seeing this I can't resist to quote a bit of PEP-10 [1] +1 I like it +0 I don't care,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 09:31, Martin Dobias ha scritto: really valued much beyond the above scores, but it's nice to see people get excited about such geeky stuff. Hi all, I hate cooling down the enthusiasm, but I really see LTS as an empty word. To me,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Luca Manganelli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: To me, the whole issue boils down to having resources to do serious backporting of fixes. Without that, LTS will have no practical effect, as users will use the latest, more bugfixed version. more bugfixed is not

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:42:42AM +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote: So, I believe that in production environment the most stable (!= latest) version is used. For almost 2 years we used 1.7.4, for me the most stable QGIS version in earth (more than 2.4 and 2.6!). Yep, that little third number in

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Nathan Woodrow
So, I believe that in production environment the most stable (!= latest) version is used. For almost 2 years we used 1.7.4, for me the most stable QGIS version in earth (more than 2.4 and 2.6!). Oh man. I couldn't even use 1.7.4 anymore it's so old ;) Anyway the point is a valid one. Running

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 10:42, Luca Manganelli ha scritto: So, I believe that in production environment the most stable (!= latest) version is used. For almost 2 years we used 1.7.4, for me the most stable QGIS version in earth (more than 2.4 and 2.6!).

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 10:56, Nathan Woodrow ha scritto: IMO we don't need resources to do bug fixing. The dev that does the bug fix in master can do it in the 2.x branch for that stable release if Sorry I do not agree here: we had many cases of fixes

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Roy
Hi Paolo and all developers, Il 10/11/2014 09.42, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 09:31, Martin Dobias ha scritto: really valued much beyond the above scores, but it's nice to see people get excited about such geeky stuff. Hi all, I

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:56:22AM +, Nathan Woodrow wrote: relevant.. This obviously has to be done smart but using the recent crash and project corruption as an example that Martin fixed right away, to me this warrants a new release off that branch, LTS or not, as project corruption is

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Kuhn
Hi all, QEP #4 allows to do backports for every release. Not only LTR. 2.6.1 will be very welcome. LTR releases will be available for 1 year and will receive bugfixes during that time. That's not going to happen magically. That requires power users and organizations to help the development.

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Moules
-Original Message- From: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Cavallini Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:59 AM To: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. Il 10/11/2014 13:13, Jonathan Moules ha scritto: Then why not fix the bugs and require them to be backported? I know that seems flippant, but is there a reason that backporting by the submitter/committer can't be required for any bugfix

[Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Mathieu Pellerin
Guys, The recent thread Nyall kick-started with his “QGIS 3.0?” email got me to think about the eternal stability vs. development dilemma it (re-)exposed through the conversation. More specifically, it got me to brainstorm on the best way forward for QGIS at this juncture and whether there's a

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Geo DrinX
Yes yes yes. +1 but also +999 :) Roberto 2014-11-10 2:27 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Pellerin nirvn.a...@gmail.com: Guys, The recent thread Nyall kick-started with his “QGIS 3.0?” email got me to think about the eternal stability vs. development dilemma it (re-)exposed through the

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Zoltan Szecsei
Hi, I am not part of the development of QGIS, but as a user, please consider the following: Currently every 3rd release of QGIS is billed as a Long Term Release. So: Switch this to February every Even numbered year Yes, this thought is in line with Ubuntu LTS plans, and I am ware