Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 2018-06-06 12:59, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Il 06/06/2018 11:22, DelazJ ha scritto:
I'd be in favor of fixing the current issue of freeze while 
deprecating

it with a message in its description (in Plugin Manager) inviting
potential users to migrate to the alternatives.


+1


But then I think, we should change plugin manager behaviour in: always 
show ALL deprecated plugins in a way that it is clear that the plugin is 
deprecated, BUT also make it possible to see the alternatives in the 
description.


Created a Feature Request: https://issues.qgis.org/issues/19125

Regards,

Richard

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 06/06/2018 11:22, DelazJ ha scritto:

> Agreed  with Loïc. We often claim and try (Paolo?) to avoid redundant
> plugins. If in this case there are (better?) alternatives, we should not
> revive the plugin imho.
> I'd be in favor of fixing the current issue of freeze while deprecating
> it with a message in its description (in Plugin Manager) inviting
> potential users to migrate to the alternatives.

+1
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi Richard,


Il 06/06/2018 11:39, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto:

> Well, no offence either, but I think humans in general are conservative
> and like habits and structure :-)
> 
> So Matthias' (probably valid) point is: now we deprecated the (old
> Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin), people get lost because the miss
> there 'old/valuable/' plugin...
> Fact is also that older plugins popup earlier in google results if you
> google for certain words.
> 
> So the best way to handle this is to 'market' (better working) plugins
> more by maybe writing some blogposts, make people aware of your plugin
> in mailing lists etc etc?
> 
> In this way natural selection/evolution should make that the
> plugin-dino's finally get extinct because of Google finding the
> alternatives :-)
> 
> In general I think it is ok to deprecate plugins! In this case: an
> unmaintained buggy one, which has better alternatives... why keep it?
> But we have to find an (for us easy) way to help people who got lost
> because of a deprecation...
> (while writing I see Thomas is answering: I put a pointer to better
> working plugin in a fixed version. I think that is a good solution!)

as it often happens, I fully agree with you. Let's keep on reducing
duplication and confusion among users.

All the best.
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Tom Chadwin]

Alexander Bruy wrote
> 2018-06-06 12:50 GMT+03:00 Nyall Dawson 

> nyall.dawson@

> :
>> I'd be very much in favour of deprecating the OpenLayers plugin and
>> marking it with a "install QuickMapServices" instead warning.
> 
> Maybe better to point to core fucntionality than yet another plugin?

The functionality isn't the same. Core functionality lets users manually add
tileservers. OpenLayers and QMS plugins allow users to add *preconfigured*
tileservers. Do I recall that QMS adopted native tileserver functionality
where possible? I'd therefore point users to QMS, as Nyall suggests.

Tom



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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Thomas Baumann]

@ Richard Duivenvoorde :

I am talking about the Rectangles Ovals Digitizing plugin (
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/rectovalDigit/  )
Current version is 1.1.2

The code is currently available at
https://github.com/vinayan/RectOvalDigitPlugin

The author itself ( Pavol Kapusta ) is ok with the idea of deprecating the
plugin.

I emailed the current maintainer Vinayan Parameswaran ( vinayan...@gmail.com)
to find out if he still maintains the plugin but did not get an answer.

If someone else knows how to get in contact with him feel free to do so.

My fork of the plugin with the bugfix is available at

https://github.com/rdbath/RectOvalDigitPlugin/

as version 1.1.3.

Thomas







Am Mi., 6. Juni 2018 um 10:48 Uhr schrieb Richard Duivenvoorde <
rdmaili...@duif.net>:

> On 2018-06-06 10:34, Thomas Baumann wrote:
> > Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti
> > :
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
> >> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/
> >>
> >> FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Loïc
>
> >
> > NOW I TRIED TO UPLOAD A NEW VERSION OF THE PLUGIN WITH THE BUGFIX AT
> > HTTPS://PLUGINS.QGIS.ORG/PLUGINS/ADD/ BUT I GET FOLLOWING
> > ERROR-MESSAGE:
> >
> >  "You cannot modifiy this plugin. "
> >
> > How should I proceed?
> >
> > Thomas
>
> I'm happy to move owner/maintainership to Thomas or Loïc, if needed.
>
> But it is not fully clear to me about which plugin (version) you
> (Thomas) are talking?
>
> So please:
> - make sure you have consent from the old maintainer to take over
> - sent me your username
> - the name of the plugin that you want ownership of
> - fix metadata of your new version so you credit yourself AND old
> maintainer
> - fix metadata so it points to your new maintained repo/docs/plugin
> site.
>
> Then we can move maintainership (and/or remove deprecated flag)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Duivenvoorde
>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Alexander Bruy]

2018-06-06 12:50 GMT+03:00 Nyall Dawson :
> I'd be very much in favour of deprecating the OpenLayers plugin and
> marking it with a "install QuickMapServices" instead warning.

Maybe better to point to core fucntionality than yet another plugin?


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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Nyall Dawson]

On 5 June 2018 at 23:44, Matthias Kuhn  wrote:

>
> From my point of view, this patch should be shipped even without a
> general overhaul.
> The plugin in use and probably causing data loss, reducing productivity
> and giving bad reputation for QGIS (I guess many are not aware that it's
> actually a plugin which is responsible for the situation, that their
> QGIS is slowing down).

While we are discussing this - I'd also like to seem the same logic
applied to the OpenLayers plugin. That plugin has very serious issues,
more so than the Rectangles/ plugin (since OpenLayers can cause data
corruption!). Better alternatives exist now (XYZ tiles,
QuickMapServices plugin).

I'd be very much in favour of deprecating the OpenLayers plugin and
marking it with a "install QuickMapServices" instead warning.

Nyall
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 2018-06-06 11:13, L.Bartoletti wrote:

Not for me :)

I maintain only my fork (CADDigitize), and I preferer work on cad
integration into qgis :)

No offense to my question, but why use this plugin again, since
CADDigitize or QAD (and maybe others) do the same job (better) and 
more?


Regards

Loïc


Well, no offence either, but I think humans in general are conservative 
and like habits and structure :-)


So Matthias' (probably valid) point is: now we deprecated the (old 
Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin), people get lost because the miss 
there 'old/valuable/' plugin...
Fact is also that older plugins popup earlier in google results if you 
google for certain words.


So the best way to handle this is to 'market' (better working) plugins 
more by maybe writing some blogposts, make people aware of your plugin 
in mailing lists etc etc?


In this way natural selection/evolution should make that the 
plugin-dino's finally get extinct because of Google finding the 
alternatives :-)


In general I think it is ok to deprecate plugins! In this case: an 
unmaintained buggy one, which has better alternatives... why keep it?
But we have to find an (for us easy) way to help people who got lost 
because of a deprecation...
(while writing I see Thomas is answering: I put a pointer to better 
working plugin in a fixed version. I think that is a good solution!)


Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Thomas Baumann]

In the fixed version of the plugin I have written in the about section:
"about=THIS PLUGIN IS NO LONGER ACTIVELY MAINTAINED. PLEASE USE CADDIGITIZE
INSTEAD: https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/;

So the idea behind the update is just to fix the problem for the users who
have installed the plugin and point them to an alternative.
I think that these users won't find out that they should get rid of the
plugin if it's just flagged as deprecated or does the user get a message
for already installed plugins if they get flagged as deprecated?


Am Mi., 6. Juni 2018 um 11:22 Uhr schrieb DelazJ :

> Hi,
> Should we not take the occasion to get rid of this plugin
>
> 2018-06-06 11:13 GMT+02:00 L.Bartoletti :
>
>>
>>
>> No offense to my question, but why use this plugin again, since
>> CADDigitize or QAD (and maybe others) do the same job (better) and more?
>>
>> Agreed  with Loïc. We often claim and try (Paolo?) to avoid redundant
> plugins. If in this case there are (better?) alternatives, we should not
> revive the plugin imho.
> I'd be in favor of fixing the current issue of freeze while deprecating it
> with a message in its description (in Plugin Manager) inviting potential
> users to migrate to the alternatives.
>
> Regards,
> Harrissou
>
> Regards
>>
>> Loïc
>>
>>
>> On 06.06.2018 10:48, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> > On 2018-06-06 10:34, Thomas Baumann wrote:
>> >> Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
>> >>> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/
>> >>>
>> >>> FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Loïc
>> >
>> >>
>> >> NOW I TRIED TO UPLOAD A NEW VERSION OF THE PLUGIN WITH THE BUGFIX AT
>> >> HTTPS://PLUGINS.QGIS.ORG/PLUGINS/ADD/ BUT I GET FOLLOWING
>> >> ERROR-MESSAGE:
>> >>
>> >>  "You cannot modifiy this plugin. "
>> >>
>> >> How should I proceed?
>> >>
>> >> Thomas
>> >
>> > I'm happy to move owner/maintainership to Thomas or Loïc, if needed.
>> >
>> > But it is not fully clear to me about which plugin (version) you
>> > (Thomas) are talking?
>> >
>> > So please:
>> > - make sure you have consent from the old maintainer to take over
>> > - sent me your username
>> > - the name of the plugin that you want ownership of
>> > - fix metadata of your new version so you credit yourself AND old
>> > maintainer
>> > - fix metadata so it points to your new maintained repo/docs/plugin
>> site.
>> >
>> > Then we can move maintainership (and/or remove deprecated flag)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Richard Duivenvoorde
>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[DelazJ]

Hi,
Should we not take the occasion to get rid of this plugin

2018-06-06 11:13 GMT+02:00 L.Bartoletti :

>
>
> No offense to my question, but why use this plugin again, since
> CADDigitize or QAD (and maybe others) do the same job (better) and more?
>
> Agreed  with Loïc. We often claim and try (Paolo?) to avoid redundant
plugins. If in this case there are (better?) alternatives, we should not
revive the plugin imho.
I'd be in favor of fixing the current issue of freeze while deprecating it
with a message in its description (in Plugin Manager) inviting potential
users to migrate to the alternatives.

Regards,
Harrissou

Regards
>
> Loïc
>
>
> On 06.06.2018 10:48, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> > On 2018-06-06 10:34, Thomas Baumann wrote:
> >> Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti
> >> :
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
> >>> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/
> >>>
> >>> FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Loïc
> >
> >>
> >> NOW I TRIED TO UPLOAD A NEW VERSION OF THE PLUGIN WITH THE BUGFIX AT
> >> HTTPS://PLUGINS.QGIS.ORG/PLUGINS/ADD/ BUT I GET FOLLOWING
> >> ERROR-MESSAGE:
> >>
> >>  "You cannot modifiy this plugin. "
> >>
> >> How should I proceed?
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >
> > I'm happy to move owner/maintainership to Thomas or Loïc, if needed.
> >
> > But it is not fully clear to me about which plugin (version) you
> > (Thomas) are talking?
> >
> > So please:
> > - make sure you have consent from the old maintainer to take over
> > - sent me your username
> > - the name of the plugin that you want ownership of
> > - fix metadata of your new version so you credit yourself AND old
> > maintainer
> > - fix metadata so it points to your new maintained repo/docs/plugin site.
> >
> > Then we can move maintainership (and/or remove deprecated flag)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Duivenvoorde
>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Patrick Dunford]

The main other issue with it is if I have a form that I need to fill in 
the fields on, that doesn't pop up when you rightclick. You have to go 
find it in the table and then fill the fields in.



On 06/06/18 20:34, Thomas Baumann wrote:
Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti 
mailto:lbartole...@tuxfamily.org>>:


Hi,

I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/

FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.

Regards

Loïc

Hi,

good to know that there is a acitvely maintained alternative to the 
old plugin.


I agree with Matthias that a patch should be shipped.

( "/From my point of view, this patch should be shipped even without a
general overhaul. The plugin in use and probably causing data loss, 
reducing productivity

and giving bad reputation for QGIS (I guess many are not aware that it's
actually a plugin which is responsible for the situation, that their
QGIS is slowing down)./ " )

The current version of the plugin has more than 7 Downloads so 
probably there are a lot of people affected by the bug.


What's really nasty about the plugin is the fact that is slows down 
QGIS even if you don't use it's functionality. As soon as it is 
installed it listenes to the currentLayerChanged signal and connects 
the editingStarted and editingStopped signal again and again to the 
toggle function.


At the company I'm working for this bug had caused a lot of 
frustration until I found out what caused QGIS to slow down, freeze 
and crash.
Indeed the users (of course) did not differentiate between the core 
QGIS and plugins   and their feedback just was that their QGIS is slow 
and unstable.



*Now I tried to upload a new version of the plugin with the bugfix at 
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/add/ but I get following error-message:*


"You cannot modifiy this plugin. "

How should I proceed?


Thomas






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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[L.Bartoletti]

Not for me :)

I maintain only my fork (CADDigitize), and I preferer work on cad
integration into qgis :)

No offense to my question, but why use this plugin again, since
CADDigitize or QAD (and maybe others) do the same job (better) and more?

Regards

Loïc


On 06.06.2018 10:48, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 2018-06-06 10:34, Thomas Baumann wrote:
>> Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti
>> :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
>>> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/
>>>
>>> FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Loïc
>
>>
>> NOW I TRIED TO UPLOAD A NEW VERSION OF THE PLUGIN WITH THE BUGFIX AT
>> HTTPS://PLUGINS.QGIS.ORG/PLUGINS/ADD/ BUT I GET FOLLOWING
>> ERROR-MESSAGE:
>>
>>  "You cannot modifiy this plugin. "
>>
>> How should I proceed?
>>
>> Thomas
>
> I'm happy to move owner/maintainership to Thomas or Loïc, if needed.
>
> But it is not fully clear to me about which plugin (version) you
> (Thomas) are talking?
>
> So please:
> - make sure you have consent from the old maintainer to take over
> - sent me your username
> - the name of the plugin that you want ownership of
> - fix metadata of your new version so you credit yourself AND old
> maintainer
> - fix metadata so it points to your new maintained repo/docs/plugin site.
>
> Then we can move maintainership (and/or remove deprecated flag)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Duivenvoorde

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 2018-06-06 10:34, Thomas Baumann wrote:

Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti
:


Hi,

I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/

FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.

Regards

Loïc




NOW I TRIED TO UPLOAD A NEW VERSION OF THE PLUGIN WITH THE BUGFIX AT
HTTPS://PLUGINS.QGIS.ORG/PLUGINS/ADD/ BUT I GET FOLLOWING
ERROR-MESSAGE:

 "You cannot modifiy this plugin. "

How should I proceed?

Thomas


I'm happy to move owner/maintainership to Thomas or Loïc, if needed.

But it is not fully clear to me about which plugin (version) you 
(Thomas) are talking?


So please:
- make sure you have consent from the old maintainer to take over
- sent me your username
- the name of the plugin that you want ownership of
- fix metadata of your new version so you credit yourself AND old 
maintainer
- fix metadata so it points to your new maintained repo/docs/plugin 
site.


Then we can move maintainership (and/or remove deprecated flag)

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Thomas Baumann]

Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Loïc Bartoletti <
lbartole...@tuxfamily.org>:

> Hi,
>
> I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see
> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/
>
> FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.
>
> Regards
>
> Loïc
>

Hi,

good to know that there is a acitvely maintained alternative to the old
plugin.

I agree with Matthias that a patch should be shipped.

( "



*From my point of view, this patch should be shipped even without a general
overhaul.  The plugin in use and probably causing data loss, reducing
productivity and giving bad reputation for QGIS (I guess many are not aware
that it's actually a plugin which is responsible for the situation, that
their QGIS is slowing down).* " )

The current version of the plugin has more than 7 Downloads so probably
there are a lot of people affected by the bug.

What's really nasty about the plugin is the fact that is slows down QGIS
even if you don't use it's functionality. As soon as it is installed it
listenes to the currentLayerChanged signal and connects the editingStarted
and editingStopped signal again and again to the toggle function.

At the company I'm working for this bug had caused a lot of frustration
until I found out what caused QGIS to slow down, freeze and crash.
Indeed the users (of course) did not differentiate between the core QGIS
and plugins   and their feedback just was that their QGIS is slow and
unstable.


*Now I tried to upload a new version of the plugin with the bugfix at
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/add/
 but I get following error-message:*

"You cannot modifiy this plugin. "

How should I proceed?


Thomas
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Loïc Bartoletti]

Hi,

I forked it some years ago since it wasn't maintained, see 
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/CADDigitize/


FYI, it's integrated into QGIS 3.

Regards

Loïc


Le 05/06/2018 à 13:16, Thomas Baumann a écrit :


Hello,

the Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin ( 
https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/rectovalDigit ) has an issue that 
causes QGIS to slow down and get unstable: 
https://github.com/vinayan/RectOvalDigitPlugin/issues/6


I sent a pullrequest with a fix for the problem ( 
https://github.com/vinayan/RectOvalDigitPlugin/pull/7 ) but the plugin 
does not seem to be maintained any more.



In 2013 there was already a discussion that the plugin does not seem 
to be maintained any more:


http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Fwd-Re-WG-quot-Rectangles-ovals-digitizing-quot-plugin-is-broken-in-QGIS-1-9-td5028866.html

I asked the author if the plugin is still maintained by him:



Hello,

just a short question: Is the RectOvalDigitPlugin still maintained by you?

best wishes,
Thomas

---
The answer:

Pavol Kapusta
Hello, the short answer is no. Best regards
---
Thomas

Ok, thanks for the reply.
I think the Plugin should then be marked as deprecated as it has some 
issues that slow down qgis.( I sent a pull request with a patch).

Are you ok with that?

---

Pavol Kapusta

Hello,

I am OK with that, of course.

Best regards

---



The plugin was obviously migrated to the github account of Vinayan 
Parameswaran ( https://github.com/vinayan/RectOvalDigitPlugin ) in 
2013 but this repository also does not seem to be maintained any more.

I sent an email to Vinayan Parameswaran but did not get an answer yet.

As the plugin slows down QGIS very badly until it freezes after 
editing and saving edits for some time I think that the current 
version in the official plugin repository should be marked as deprecated.


best wishes,
Thomas








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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 06/05/2018 03:39 PM, Thomas Baumann wrote:
> Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 14:29 Uhr schrieb Matthias Kuhn
> mailto:matth...@opengis.ch>>:
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2018 02:12 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> > On 5 June 2018 at 21:51, Matthias Kuhn  > wrote:
> >> I have never used the plugin but repeatedly seen its name
> mentioned, so
> >> I assume it's widely used?
> >>
> >> In this case, it would be great if someone could volunteer as a new
> >> maintainer for the plugin. I think the minimal amount of work
> would be
> >> to merge pull requests and upload patched releases to the plugin
> repository.
> >
> > It's not needed anymore - 3.0 has the built in rectangles and ovals
> > digitising tools.
> 
> That's good news, but for the current LTR and as general question on
> deprecating plugins I think it's still a valid request ;-)
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are the build in rectangles and ovals tools in QGIS 3 maptools to
> digitize objects in a polygon-layer or 'just' an algorithm of the
> processing toolbox?
> 
> A fixed version of the plugin is available at
> https://github.com/rdbath/RectOvalDigitPlugin for people who would still
> like to use the plugin.
> I was just thinking about if I should volunteer as a maintainer but I
> think the code of the plugin is in general a bit "stale" and would need
> an overhaul for which I just don't have the time to do that.
> So I am not sure if it's a good idea to make a new version of the plugin
> available even if the major problem of the plugin is fixed.
> 
> Thomas
> 

From my point of view, this patch should be shipped even without a
general overhaul.
The plugin in use and probably causing data loss, reducing productivity
and giving bad reputation for QGIS (I guess many are not aware that it's
actually a plugin which is responsible for the situation, that their
QGIS is slowing down).

Matthias
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Thomas Baumann]

Am Di., 5. Juni 2018 um 14:29 Uhr schrieb Matthias Kuhn :

>
>
> On 06/05/2018 02:12 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> > On 5 June 2018 at 21:51, Matthias Kuhn  wrote:
> >> I have never used the plugin but repeatedly seen its name mentioned, so
> >> I assume it's widely used?
> >>
> >> In this case, it would be great if someone could volunteer as a new
> >> maintainer for the plugin. I think the minimal amount of work would be
> >> to merge pull requests and upload patched releases to the plugin
> repository.
> >
> > It's not needed anymore - 3.0 has the built in rectangles and ovals
> > digitising tools.
>
> That's good news, but for the current LTR and as general question on
> deprecating plugins I think it's still a valid request ;-)
>
> Matthias
>
>
>

Are the build in rectangles and ovals tools in QGIS 3 maptools to digitize
objects in a polygon-layer or 'just' an algorithm of the processing toolbox?

A fixed version of the plugin is available at
https://github.com/rdbath/RectOvalDigitPlugin for people who would still
like to use the plugin.
I was just thinking about if I should volunteer as a maintainer but I think
the code of the plugin is in general a bit "stale" and would need an
overhaul for which I just don't have the time to do that.
So I am not sure if it's a good idea to make a new version of the plugin
available even if the major problem of the plugin is fixed.

Thomas
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Patrick Dunford]

I use it, but only when needing to actually draw, as it leaks memory 
quite badly causing the software to slow down. The rest of the time I 
start up Qgis (2.18) using the -noplugins flag to prevent it from loading.


I know there is some kind of capability in 3.0 included but I haven't 
figured out how to use it.


On 05/06/18 23:51, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

I have never used the plugin but repeatedly seen its name mentioned, so
I assume it's widely used?

In this case, it would be great if someone could volunteer as a new
maintainer for the plugin. I think the minimal amount of work would be
to merge pull requests and upload patched releases to the plugin repository.

Regards
Matthias




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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 05-06-18 14:06, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> On 06/05/2018 02:01 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> On 05-06-18 13:51, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> 
>> But we should also not keep old, troubling plugins in the repo list IF
>> there are better newer alternatives available.
>> In this case, try:
>>
>> http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/shapetools/
>>
>> which can even create heart shapes :-)
> 
> That's the information I was missing, if this one is in good shape and
> can even create hearts, it's just a matter of spreading the word.
> 
> Could there be a link to newer plugins on deprecated ones (where
> applicable)?

Just a note that setting this flag, does not make them uninstallable.

In the Plugins/Settings you can check 'Show also deprecated plugins' and
you can see and install them..

About linking to newer plugins:
- currently using the flag uses will not see this 'notion' of an
alternative plugin
- we could update the plugin manager maybe? So it always shows the
deprecated ones by default?
- I added some text to the 'description' and 'about' field, but am not
sure if it is feasible to do this: which alternative(s) to choose, how
to keep those fields updated etc...

But we'll see.

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Nyall Dawson]

On 5 June 2018 at 21:51, Matthias Kuhn  wrote:
> I have never used the plugin but repeatedly seen its name mentioned, so
> I assume it's widely used?
>
> In this case, it would be great if someone could volunteer as a new
> maintainer for the plugin. I think the minimal amount of work would be
> to merge pull requests and upload patched releases to the plugin repository.

It's not needed anymore - 3.0 has the built in rectangles and ovals
digitising tools.

Nyall

>
> Regards
> Matthias
>
> On 06/05/2018 01:42 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> On 05-06-18 13:16, Thomas Baumann wrote:
>>> As the plugin slows down QGIS very badly until it freezes after editing
>>> and saving edits for some time I think that the current version in the
>>> official plugin repository should be marked as deprecated.
>>
>> Ok, I added the deprication flag then, also as there are alternatives
>> available for doing this if I'm correct.
>>
>> Let me know if this is a problem for anyone, we can easily remove the
>> flag, but I agree that we should not make QGIS behave badly because of this.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 06/05/2018 02:01 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 05-06-18 13:51, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

> But we should also not keep old, troubling plugins in the repo list IF
> there are better newer alternatives available.
> In this case, try:
> 
> http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/shapetools/
> 
> which can even create heart shapes :-)

That's the information I was missing, if this one is in good shape and
can even create hearts, it's just a matter of spreading the word.

Could there be a link to newer plugins on deprecated ones (where
applicable)?

Matthias
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 05-06-18 13:51, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> I have never used the plugin but repeatedly seen its name mentioned, so
> I assume it's widely used?

I know, it was the first plugin which made it possible to to rectangles
and shapes.

BUT it is also known as a plugin which kills QGIS after some time, eg:
https://issues.qgis.org/issues/9229 and other issues.
If I'm correct it keeps connecting actions, but never removes them or so...

That was the reason to add the flag so swiftly...

> In this case, it would be great if someone could volunteer as a new
> maintainer for the plugin. I think the minimal amount of work would be
> to merge pull requests and upload patched releases to the plugin repository.

Agreed, and I'm fine with that too.
But we should also not keep old, troubling plugins in the repo list IF
there are better newer alternatives available.
In this case, try:

http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/shapetools/

which can even create heart shapes :-)

But: feel if anybody takes over the Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin,
we can easily remove the flag again.

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Matthias Kuhn]

I have never used the plugin but repeatedly seen its name mentioned, so
I assume it's widely used?

In this case, it would be great if someone could volunteer as a new
maintainer for the plugin. I think the minimal amount of work would be
to merge pull requests and upload patched releases to the plugin repository.

Regards
Matthias

On 06/05/2018 01:42 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 05-06-18 13:16, Thomas Baumann wrote:
>> As the plugin slows down QGIS very badly until it freezes after editing
>> and saving edits for some time I think that the current version in the
>> official plugin repository should be marked as deprecated.
> 
> Ok, I added the deprication flag then, also as there are alternatives
> available for doing this if I'm correct.
> 
> Let me know if this is a problem for anyone, we can easily remove the
> flag, but I agree that we should not make QGIS behave badly because of this.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Rectangles-Ovals-Digitizing plugin deprecated

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 05-06-18 13:16, Thomas Baumann wrote:
> As the plugin slows down QGIS very badly until it freezes after editing
> and saving edits for some time I think that the current version in the
> official plugin repository should be marked as deprecated.

Ok, I added the deprication flag then, also as there are alternatives
available for doing this if I'm correct.

Let me know if this is a problem for anyone, we can easily remove the
flag, but I agree that we should not make QGIS behave badly because of this.

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde
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